Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Bealodites? What in the world is a Bealodite?

Are there T-shirts?

[Ruzious]

Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Bealodites? What in the world is a Bealodite?

Are there T-shirts?

The only sticking point on the t's is Ted's insisting we put his face on it.

[NatP4]

Pif you said we would only win 33 games and be a lottery team

[NatP4]

So if he makes a trade to help the team, you complain about being "buyers" and moving assets, if he stands pat, you complain about him not doing anything.

You do realize that you literally twist everything into a ridiculous narrative, atleast other Ernie haters can be somewhat objective on here. You would complain about Ernie trading a 3rd round pick for Michael Jordan.

Yeah LIke I wish we did not have EG, but I at least give him a fair shake. I don't hold mahinmi aginst him even if he was overpaid by 3-6 million bucks. His knees giving out was just bad luck. But I do think that this may be the best chance we have to make a stand in the east. The hawks are selling, The celtics and raptors are beatable teams and the Cav's are showing cracks. If we can't find a way to move Mahinmi and replace him with someone younger, like Vucivic or Nurkic. Then I think our best move is to find a back up point guard, Like nelson or jack. And make a trade to bring in either another low level starting 4 (to either move morris to the bench or to back him up) or and a higher caliber bench shooter. someone to back up beal who can also handle the ball and play next to tomas to hide his weak offence until it develops. Like an evans or will barton or tim hardaway or seth curry. Maybe you dust off lance to worst case trade burke or a second for vince carter. Maybe we can pull a trade with chicago. For Rando and in exchange get Mirotic or Portis in the deal? Im sure if we offered a 2019 top ten protected first and mahinmi and burke they might just bite on that.

I don't hold Ernie accountable for Manhimi. I think he's a great player when healthy, one of the best defensive centers in the league and a good pick and roll big. However in recent years, I mostly hold him accountable for standing pat in the summer of 2015 in an attempt to save cap for KD2DC. That was a ridiculous move considering the harsh reality that we were never considered. If we signed players on long term deals in 2015, those contracts would have been incredible in the current cap situation.

So which 2015 free agent would've propelled us to a contender? Lol.

People whined about not resigning ariza but look what we have on the wing now..

[Meliorus]

Yeah LIke I wish we did not have EG, but I at least give him a fair shake. I don't hold mahinmi aginst him even if he was overpaid by 3-6 million bucks. His knees giving out was just bad luck. But I do think that this may be the best chance we have to make a stand in the east. The hawks are selling, The celtics and raptors are beatable teams and the Cav's are showing cracks. If we can't find a way to move Mahinmi and replace him with someone younger, like Vucivic or Nurkic. Then I think our best move is to find a back up point guard, Like nelson or jack. And make a trade to bring in either another low level starting 4 (to either move morris to the bench or to back him up) or and a higher caliber bench shooter. someone to back up beal who can also handle the ball and play next to tomas to hide his weak offence until it develops. Like an evans or will barton or tim hardaway or seth curry. Maybe you dust off lance to worst case trade burke or a second for vince carter. Maybe we can pull a trade with chicago. For Rando and in exchange get Mirotic or Portis in the deal? Im sure if we offered a 2019 top ten protected first and mahinmi and burke they might just bite on that.

I don't hold Ernie accountable for Manhimi. I think he's a great player when healthy, one of the best defensive centers in the league and a good pick and roll big. However in recent years, I mostly hold him accountable for standing pat in the summer of 2015 in an attempt to save cap for KD2DC. That was a ridiculous move considering the harsh reality that we were never considered. If we signed players on long term deals in 2015, those contracts would have been incredible in the current cap situation.

So which 2015 free agent would've propelled us to a contender? Lol.

People whined about not resigning ariza but look what we have on the wing now..

The same free agents (on half the cost) that you are now desperately trying to trade assets for.

[gambitx777]

I don't hold Ernie accountable for Manhimi. I think he's a great player when healthy, one of the best defensive centers in the league and a good pick and roll big. However in recent years, I mostly hold him accountable for standing pat in the summer of 2015 in an attempt to save cap for KD2DC. That was a ridiculous move considering the harsh reality that we were never considered. If we signed players on long term deals in 2015, those contracts would have been incredible in the current cap situation.

So which 2015 free agent would've propelled us to a contender? Lol.

People whined about not resigning ariza but look what we have on the wing now..

The same free agents (on half the cost) that you are now desperately trying to trade assets for.

Well, I don't think ive mentioned trading for anyone who signed a deal in 2015? I mean sure robin lopez would have been amazing, perfect backup for gortat. Its not that easy man. We probably should have tried to pull a trade for horford and had the inside track of retaining him. instead of getting a few 1 year deal guys he should have calculated what KD would have coast with beals cap hold and singed the money left to long term deals on bench players that would have helped us win that season. we could have gotten 1 or 2 quality bench guys out of it.

[Dat2U]

Were in 2nd tier far far behind GS & SAS. I'm about ready to put the Cavs in the 2nd tier as well but at the top of the 2nd tier. LeBron is right... they need help, especially with Delly & Mozgov out the door last offseason and JR Smith out. Just like us they are one injury away from disaster.

I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

I don't agree that we are in 2d tier, but "tiers" are subjective enough that their breakdown tends towards some arbitrariness anyway. What I do agree with is that the last off season really damaged our ability to craft the roster going forward. This is a problem that needs to be solved.

We all agree that Beal is much improved, but he may offer the best opportunity to solve the problem. It's not that I want to trade him, but it might be the best move all the same. Not saying I'm sure of this, just wondering whether it's something to think about.

Would the 76ers see Bradley Beal as worth Noel, Richaun Holmes, T.J. McConnell, & their top R1 pick this year? Would we?

Even better would be to get Smith to them as well in that deal (on the assumption that they would not take Nicholson).

Obviously, Noel's likely next contract $$$ are critical in deciding on something like this. I wonder how much he'll command. Will someone offer him the max? Does every high pick coming off his rookie contract get it?

I doubt there's much appreciation for McConnell here, but in fact, aside from scoring he is really outstanding. He's played a lot of minutes; take a look at his numbers before any knee jerk reaction.

Obviously, we'd be faced with a big problem as to who'd play SG the rest of this year! Obviously as well, this ain't the kind of trade Ernie would be likely to make anyway!

Plus side is we could afford Porter; we'd have 2 pretty high draft picks from an outstanding draft, we'd have our backup point guard, we'd have a young & talented duo of bigs, & we'd be in a position to trade Gortat for a good young SG (assuming that's possible).

Terrible idea? Good idea but details wrong? Couldn't be done? What?

Then pick Monk with the Philly pick. I would do it. I think Philly would consider it. But I think there would be an uproar from the Bealodites.

Problem is that Sixers pick doesn't look as valuable as it did before. They currently would draft 8th based on today's standings and they are rising fast. Add Simmons and Beal and your looking at a late lottery or mid-1st rounder.

Beal isn't untouchable in my eyes but I wouldn't move him for Noel & spare parts at this stage. Maybe before this season I would have but not now. It would have to be for a star quality player.

[Dat2U]

I don't hold Ernie accountable for Manhimi. I think he's a great player when healthy, one of the best defensive centers in the league and a good pick and roll big. However in recent years, I mostly hold him accountable for standing pat in the summer of 2015 in an attempt to save cap for KD2DC. That was a ridiculous move considering the harsh reality that we were never considered. If we signed players on long term deals in 2015, those contracts would have been incredible in the current cap situation.

Mahinmi has never been great. He had one above average season in his career. At age 30. Giving a 30 yr journeyman with an injury history $64 million was ridiculous. Of course Ernie should be held accountable for Mahinmi. I seriously doubt anyone else was going to give him that type of coin.

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Pif you said we would only win 33 games and be a lottery team

Actually, I'd love to know where I said that, Nat. Please feel free to take a look at the predictions thread. How many wins did I predict?

How many did you predict? Lets see who's closer to reality at the end of the season, ok?

Of course, we could also look at last year. How far was I off in my prediction last year, Nat? Did you predict? How far off were you? (edit: you weren't on the board last year)

Ditto the year before that. (edit: you weren't on the board the year before either)

Had I predicted 33 wins, it's true we'd be likely to be in the lottery. At my predicted # of wins, whether we're in the lottery or the playoffs is a function mostly of the other teams in the EC.

[pcbothwel]

If you think we are in a 2nd tier far behind Cleveland/GS/SAS, here are the only circumstances under which we should trade any 1st rounder:

Must be 26 years or younger (players who will age at the same time as our core, players who have upside/won't fall off a cliff)
Must be on a long-term contract (no 1 year rentals)
Must be a PF/C
Must be good enough to move either Markieff or Gortat to the bench

This leaves the following options:
PF: Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Kristaps Porzingis, Jon Leur (maybe)
Center: Demarcus Cousins, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Joel Embiid, Steven Adams, Karl Anthony Towns, Myles Turner, Cody Zeller (maybe), Nerlens Noel (maybe), Lucas Nogueria (maybe)

Since none of these players are available/not enough assets to acquire them/not worth acquiring, the dominant strategy is to stand pat and draft players who could potentially increase our collective roster upside.

However, if you think we are on the fringe of contention, the best strategy is to trade our 2017 1st rounder and whatever 2nd rounders needed to make major upgrades to the bench. Create whatever 3 team, 4 team trades necessary to get us a point guard, wing scorer, and stretch 4.

Were in 2nd tier far far behind GS & SAS. I'm about ready to put the Cavs in the 2nd tier as well but at the top of the 2nd tier. LeBron is right... they need help, especially with Delly & Mozgov out the door last offseason and JR Smith out. Just like us they are one injury away from disaster.

I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

So thoughts on my previously mentioned 3-way Melo deal with us sending out Nicholson and our 1st for Redick and O'Quinn? Its definitely a move for this year, but having bird rights on Redick and O'Quinn for 4M/year.

[Dat2U]

If you think we are in a 2nd tier far behind Cleveland/GS/SAS, here are the only circumstances under which we should trade any 1st rounder:

Must be 26 years or younger (players who will age at the same time as our core, players who have upside/won't fall off a cliff)
Must be on a long-term contract (no 1 year rentals)
Must be a PF/C
Must be good enough to move either Markieff or Gortat to the bench

This leaves the following options:
PF: Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Kristaps Porzingis, Jon Leur (maybe)
Center: Demarcus Cousins, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Joel Embiid, Steven Adams, Karl Anthony Towns, Myles Turner, Cody Zeller (maybe), Nerlens Noel (maybe), Lucas Nogueria (maybe)

Since none of these players are available/not enough assets to acquire them/not worth acquiring, the dominant strategy is to stand pat and draft players who could potentially increase our collective roster upside.

However, if you think we are on the fringe of contention, the best strategy is to trade our 2017 1st rounder and whatever 2nd rounders needed to make major upgrades to the bench. Create whatever 3 team, 4 team trades necessary to get us a point guard, wing scorer, and stretch 4.

Were in 2nd tier far far behind GS & SAS. I'm about ready to put the Cavs in the 2nd tier as well but at the top of the 2nd tier. LeBron is right... they need help, especially with Delly & Mozgov out the door last offseason and JR Smith out. Just like us they are one injury away from disaster.

I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

So thoughts on my previously mentioned 3-way Melo deal with us sending out Nicholson and our 1st for Redick and O'Quinn? Its definitely a move for this year, but having bird rights on Redick and O'Quinn for 4M/year.

Bird rights for Redick are meaningless. We couldn't afford to keep Porter and Redick. O'Quinn at 4 mil is good but it's only for one year. IMO it doesn't beat a likely role player for 4 years on a rookie deal.

[pcbothwel]

Bird rights for Redick are meaningless. We couldn't afford to keep Porter and Redick. O'Quinn at 4 mil is good but it's only for one year. IMO it doesn't beat a likely role player for 4 years on a rookie deal.

Dont disagree, but it's one of the few trades that truly make us better this year, allow us to keep Porter and not go into Lux tax, and give us an asset next year.

Im in the camp to make no trade at all. The only other possibility it player in the last couple drafts who would be under their rookie deal through next year. The only rookie contract players that fit in our lineup and are good enough to give up a 1st while also being plausibly on the market are:

Aaron Gordon
Dario Saric
Nurkic
Okafor
WCS
Bobby Portis

Interesting list

[AFM]

I dont really want Carmelo, he's over the hill and a chucker, but he's way better than Markieff. I wonder if we could package, Markieff, Mahinmi, and something else (a pick?) for him?

I feel like someone else could offer a better package, but I dont want to give up oubre or porter.

[dangermouse]

If Mahinmi is in the trade, why not? Wall/Beal/Porter/Melo/Gortat should be able to make some noise.

[gambitx777]

Melo, does not want to play here, he would probably veto any and all trades to the wizards.

[NatP4]

Melo, does not want to play here, he would probably veto any and all trades to the wizards.

He doesn't wanna play with John Wall and Bradley Beal on a team that's 10x better than his current team and playoff bound?

The real discussion here is about how delusional Phil Jackson will be when it comes to the price, we're talking about a guy that half-assed a rebuild and completely failed and then threw the teams star player under the bus to pin the blame on. He tried to get Kevin Love lol.

[gambitx777]

Melo, does not want to play here, he would probably veto any and all trades to the wizards.

He doesn't wanna play with John Wall and Bradley Beal on a team that's 10x better than his current team and playoff bound?

The real discussion here is about how delusional Phil Jackson will be when it comes to the price, we're talking about a guy that half-assed a rebuild and completely failed and then threw the team's star player under the bus to pin the blame on. He tried to get Kevin Love lol.

I can't find it, but he said he did not want to play here, something about bad memories from his youth. he's not coming back to the place he grew up and didn't like. But I could be wrong and he can change his mind.

And trading morris or gortat, would not really move the needle much. It would have to be, Mahinmi and Nicholson, burke and three unprotected firsts, and two seconds for melo. Take it or leave it. Don't care, if its not something they would take. That's the offer it goes off the table in 72 hours call mello and either get it done or forget the offer was ever made.
We gain Mello at even coast money wise, we ditch 2 bad contracts and we get in to title contention.
We can replace mahinmi, maybe even with Larry Sanders and moving Morris to the bench and not making mello play a **** ton of minutes would be huge. Sign Jack or cole to replace burke that roaster would be sick, cut house and find another wing somewhere Maybe lance? . Plus we would in theory be able to max Otto and not give a **** about the tax if we are winning and contending for titles.
Wall/Jack:Cole/Tomas
Beal/McCellan/thornton
Otto/Kelley/Lance
Mello/Morris/ochifu
Gortat/Sanders/Smith

[queridiculo]

A trade of Beal for Embiid would look pretty good right now.

There probably was a window during the GM transition last year, obviously not going to happen now, but having a core of Wall, Porter and Embiid would be insane.

Concerning Melo, there's really no way a deal between the two franchises is going to happen.

Washington has a few assets they're not going to part with, and the Knicks aren't going to take on $90 million in salary for a $6 million p/a DNP and a backup center that isn't better than Quinn, when you factor that they also have to pay Noah.

out: Mahinmi, Morris, Nicholson, Burke, Thornton
in: Noah, Anthony

I have no idea why the Knicks would entertain it, and I can't see Leonsis willing to pay for it given the trade kicker, but it would work salary wise.

[dangermouse]

I doubt Embiid was ever attainable really. Maybe the very day he got injured if there was any rumours about the severity or long term effects, but 76ers had no real reason to ever trade him.

[stevemcqueen1]

I dont really want Carmelo, he's over the hill and a chucker, but he's way better than Markieff. I wonder if we could package, Markieff, Mahinmi, and something else (a pick?) for him?

I feel like someone else could offer a better package, but I dont want to give up oubre or porter.

I think Oubre and Porter should be untouchable. I think we need to walk away from any deal that requires them. We've got chemistry, let's just stick it out with what we have unless something amazing comes along.