Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Bulls03]

Wade's no longer a star.

He's still a hell of a player.

No better than Bradley.

In a playoff setting he is.

[Bulls03]

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

[Bulls03]

And Wade also did just carry his team last year to the 3rd seed and 1 game from the ECF without Bosh and Whiteside. He won't give max effort all year but he will every playoff game and he's averaging like 28-5-5-4-2 in the last 3 after calling guys out.

[Captain_Caveman]

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

We should just keep the picks and develop them in a winning, playoff culture tbh. Should we deal for Butler, at best send you guys a package centered on Jaylen or the Nets 2018 top 3 protected. Throw in Smart and a lesser pick. No one else is going to beat that. If that's not enough, great. Celts will be just fine regardless.

But if the Bulls having no path to a future hasn't sunk in yet, it will, I assure you.

[Curmudgeon]

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

So why don't you keep your two top guys and we can discuss Robin Lopez, one of your d-league level players. I'm offering Tyler Zeller (expiring) and James Young. Do we have a deal?

[Bulls03]

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

We should just keep the picks and develop them in a winning, playoff culture tbh. Should we deal for Butler, at best send you guys a package centered on Jaylen or the Nets 2018 top 3 protected. Throw in Smart and a lesser pick. No one else is going to beat that. If that's not enough, great. Celts will be just fine regardless.

But if the Bulls having no path to a future hasn't sunk in yet, it will, I assure you.

You're acting really high and mighty for a guy who's team has only won one championship in the last 30 years and won majority of your championships when the league was a joke. You will not contend without trading the Nets pick, that's a fact. Congrats on being 2nd like the rest of the league.

[Bulls03]

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

So why don't you keep your two top guys and we can discuss Robin Lopez, one of your d-league level players. I'm offering Tyler Zeller (expiring) and James Young. Do we have a deal?

Because there's no hope regardless when we have this coach and FO. If we move Jimmy he's coming to you all for the Nets pick. It's really that simple. Sure take him lol.

[Darthlukey]

By the way, its been talked about before but can we trade the BKN 18 pick and put a protection on it. I don't think so, but I'm still wondering. Would love to get Whiteside, but I doubt Riley trades with us.

You are correct, picks that are from another team cannot be changed/protected. They can only be traded in their original form (think the LAL pick that went to PHO and then to PHI)

They changed the rules over the summer. Danny can trade that 2018 Nets pick and slap top 3 protection on it if he wants.

Thanks guys, that change must have slipped past me. The change does give the GM a little more flexibility

[Captain_Caveman]

You're acting really high and mighty for a guy who's team has only won one championship in the last 30 years and won majority of your championships when the league was a joke. You will not contend without trading the Nets pick, that's a fact. Congrats on being 2nd like the rest of the league.

No, I just don't overrate the impact of guys like Butler (who I like), or Wade (who is 5 minutes from being washed up). Or IT, for that matter.

But leave us out of it for a minute. What happens to the Bulls if you just keep Butler? More to the point, what are the Lakers, Suns or Sixers going to give you for him?

Not more than Jaylen, Smart and a lesser pick plus guy like Crowder.

You'll see.

[jfs1000d]

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

We should just keep the picks and develop them in a winning, playoff culture tbh. Should we deal for Butler, at best send you guys a package centered on Jaylen or the Nets 2018 top 3 protected. Throw in Smart and a lesser pick. No one else is going to beat that. If that's not enough, great. Celts will be just fine regardless.

But if the Bulls having no path to a future hasn't sunk in yet, it will, I assure you.

Keeping the pick not a terrible idea. we are competitive right now. We can make incremental moves to try and separate us from the Wizards, Hawks and even Raptors and be the No. 2 team in east while retaining the Brooklyn picks.

Or, we can keep picks and either sign Hayward or get Melo on the cheap. Butler is better than all 3, but butler will cost a Brooklyn pick. So, this is a Tough decision.

I won't argue with anyone who wants to play this draft lottery out.


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[fallguy]

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

We should just keep the picks and develop them in a winning, playoff culture tbh. Should we deal for Butler, at best send you guys a package centered on Jaylen or the Nets 2018 top 3 protected. Throw in Smart and a lesser pick. No one else is going to beat that. If that's not enough, great. Celts will be just fine regardless.

But if the Bulls having no path to a future hasn't sunk in yet, it will, I assure you.

You're acting really high and mighty for a guy who's team has only won one championship in the last 30 years and won majority of your championships when the league was a joke. You will not contend without trading the Nets pick, that's a fact. Congrats on being 2nd like the rest of the league.

Quite clearly, that's not a fact. It might be an alternative fact.

Unlike the Bulls, we are not desperate and under incompetent management.

[Moobydoo]

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

So why don't you keep your two top guys and we can discuss Robin Lopez, one of your d-league level players. I'm offering Tyler Zeller (expiring) and James Young. Do we have a deal?

Because there's no hope regardless when we have this coach and FO. If we move Jimmy he's coming to you all for the Nets pick. It's really that simple. Sure take him lol.

Which Net's pick and what are the throw ins?

[Marvel]

These BKN picks are attracting a lot of trolls lately sheesh.

[SMTBSI]

You will not contend without trading the Nets pick, that's a fact.

It's really considerate of you and the rest of the 29 fanbases to keep reminding us of this. I really do appreciate that you have our best interests in mind and want to help us understand the best way forward for us.

Wait, no, never mind. You want our picks, just like everyone else, because you know they're gold.

Well, you can't have them.

[Marvel]

I won't argue with anyone who wants to play this draft lottery out.

Yep, it's a win win. If we don't get a elite level guy like Butler, George or whoever we got those BKN picks to fall back on. Danny has to cut bait with the ham n eggers though like Zeller, KO, JJ, Amir so we got minutes for Yabu and Zizic next year.

[SMTBSI]

Chicago collapsing on the court and off.
Phil Jackson and Carmelo locked in mortal combat.
Larry Sanders attempting a comeback.
Ibaka possibly shaking loose in Orlando.
Okafor and Nurkic all but out of their team's rotations.

Am I missing anything?

Strap yourselves in folks. This is where Ainge does work. Someone is going to blink, and he'll be ready to pounce. The fun is just beginning.

[Waider]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

[Tiny ball]

Why are you all so hesistsnt to trade a BKN pick for a top 10 player not on an expiring contract?

Because (a) we don't need to, and (b) it doesn't put us over the top right now.

The Celts have an excellent chance to be a contending team someday if they just stand pat and stay patient. Any major move we make has to beat that baseline. While it is hard to win a ring in this league, it is asinine to give up a chance a future championship We just to make a move that bumps us from 6th best to 3rd best while removing that championship possibility.

We are a young 50-55 win that is in the process of adding two of three top 3-5 picks over a 3-year period. That's amazing! We have the luxury of staying patient and making prudent choices. Overpaying for Butler at the peak of his value does not do that. You only do that if it puts you above the Warriors or on a path to be above the Warriors in the near-term, not to get a "top 10 player" or some other nonsense.

Bulls 100% do not have the same luxury of staying patient. They built a veteran team with a .500 ceiling, that is wholly dependent on giving Butler more usage than his knees can handle. And even that is falling apart at the seams. Whether you trade him to us or another team, his value can only go down. In the meantime, you are killing the value of your own lottery picks, and delaying the inevitable rebuild that is coming your way.

We'll wait, thank you very much. Wish you luck in the meantime, because you guys are gonna need a lot of it.

You guys would get by the Cavs if we sent Jimmy and Wade.

We might get by the cavs with them being injured and us picking up a big. If we are hot four games and they are not we could beat them this year.

[Tiny ball]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

Seems to me to be an over pay?

[Waider]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

Seems to me to be an over pay?

I agree. Their board wanted Bradley/BRK '17.