Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

You guys would get by the Cavs if we sent Jimmy and Wade.

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

IT/Wade/Butler is better than IT/Bradley/Smart. But does it even matter when we all know that IT/Wade/Butler/Horford still isn't better than Curry/Thompson/Durant/Green?

[Tiny ball]

So if adding a top 10 player and another really good player who are both very good players doesn't make you a contender, what will?

Getting Butler without giving up 200% of his peak value?

Other trades?

Or just keeping the picks?

Again, if they are so good, why are you guys under .500 right now?

If we trade for them, are they going to suddenly sprout wings and fart magic rivers of gold and chocolate?

There's a reason you are on our board and not the other way around.

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

I don't like Butler.. One big and a bit of luck we could beat Cleveland this year. When healthy we have the guards to slow down GS. I would keep the pick.

[Tiny ball]

Nah.

And then we'd be screwed.

I mean seriously, if those guys are actually so much better than IT/Bradley/Smart, how come we are 5 games up on you despite having some of the most injuries in the league this year?

Amir Johnson and Kelly Olynyk?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

You guys have a far better coach and much better role players so that's probably why.

Are you telling me IT/Bradley/Smart is better than IT/Wade/Butler? I hope that's not what you're saying. You guys need a little more star power and in this deal we sent you 2 star level players in the playoffs for Bradley a couple role players and 2 picks.

IT/Wade/Butler is better than IT/Bradley/Smart. But does it even matter when we all know that IT/Wade/Butler/Horford still isn't better than Curry/Thompson/Durant/Green?

I like IT/Bradley/Smart better. Wade is so old Butler forgets to play whole games. Our guys lose this year learn and best them next year. Next year Wade is older Butler still takes games off. We still have two top draft picks and a big free agent.

[Bohemian]

So to sum up the latest Celtics rumored moves:

1. Knicks contact Celtics trying to unload Melo on us. Danny says no.

2. Celtics give a tryout to Larry Sanders

3. Orlando testing the market for Ibaka. Celtics mentioned as potential trade partners

4. The Bulls are breaking down...would they revisit Butler trade scenarios with us again?

Is that it?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Is this guy gar's latte boy ? The back end of this thread has a stain like Steph Currys shorts in game 7

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

If you are talking about me, I don't think I am being unfair.

Butler is an upgrade, and maybe Wade would be for a few months, but it really doesn't improve us to the point where we'd contend, or where it validates giving up an all-but-guaranteed top 4 pick in a strong draft that is all but sure to provide backcourt upgrades much cheaper.

I was totally down for Butler above and beyond what most posters thought was fair last year, and would still overpay.

But really, how good was the Ray Allen trade if it didn't lead to the KG trade?

Without a follow-up haymaker to a Butler trade, how much of a difference does it really and truly make?

Bottom line is that fans of teams around the league are over here concocting trades to get those Nets picks. Can't blame them. Butler is among the most reasonable options out of all of them.

But we are not dealing from a position of weakness here. Our do nothing option is getting better all the time.

This is fair Cave, but you also have to consider that the pick you get will never be as good as Butler, and even if it was, would be years away.

Everyone loves the draft picks until 2 weeks after the draft when they are watched in summer league.

Butler is worth the Brooklyn pick, onjecticely.


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I don't agree. Let them get that top 4 pick from some other team that's not offering it.

'Your as cold as ice Charlie Murphy'

[SmartWentCrazy]

You must REALLY value the things I mentioned if you think that's 200% his peak value.

Butler is 3rd in the league in RPM and is having a crazy year.

We are below .500 because it's a 2 man team. The role players are d league level and the coach is a joke.

Multiple Celtics fans have been flocking to the Bulls board the last few weeks.

That pick is not going to make you a contender unless you flip it for a player like Butler. You have a sure thing top 10 player but you would rather take a chance on a draft pick that could easily turn out to be a bust and wait for him to develop while you have Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, etc. under contract? Do you not want to try and maximize what you currently have and make some moves to become a legit contender with Thomas and Horford?

We should just keep the picks and develop them in a winning, playoff culture tbh. Should we deal for Butler, at best send you guys a package centered on Jaylen or the Nets 2018 top 3 protected. Throw in Smart and a lesser pick. No one else is going to beat that. If that's not enough, great. Celts will be just fine regardless.

But if the Bulls having no path to a future hasn't sunk in yet, it will, I assure you.

You're acting really high and mighty for a guy who's team has only won one championship in the last 30 years and won majority of your championships when the league was a joke. You will not contend without trading the Nets pick, that's a fact. Congrats on being 2nd like the rest of the league.

So if the picks won't make us a contender, but Jimmy Butler will, why do you want to trade us Butler for the pick?

I love how all these fans are coming here (or to the trade board) altruistically to offer us their championship pieces, like Melo or Butler or Favors or Griffin, for our overrated picks that will never make us a championship contender. It's really nice that they're all looking out for our best interest

Edit- the pick for Butler is fair. Reading your other posts, it seems you largely agree. The problem is the Bulls would want Jaylen Brown, BKN18 and another piece on top of it. That's raking us over the coals and valuing the BKN17 pick at its worst case scenario and Jaylen Brown as an ok piece. It makes zero sense for us to sell low on our assets for a team that won't win 8 of 14 games vs Cleveland and Golden State. We can, and I'm sure we will, revisit this post lottery. If the pick drops, maybe we reconsider. But we're not going to trade away our upside for nothing

[165bows]

So to sum up the latest Celtics rumored moves:

1. Knicks contact Celtics trying to unload Melo on us. Danny says no.

2. Celtics give a tryout to Larry Sanders

3. Orlando testing the market for Ibaka. Celtics mentioned as potential trade partners

4. The Bulls are breaking down...would they revisit Butler trade scenarios with us again?

Is that it?

Update appreciated!

I'm traveling and couldn't keep up. Try not to let this forum get to unruly without my iron fist lol!

[jfs1000d]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

Maybe. Not sure Parker is worth it.


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[CeltsfaninDC]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

hmmmm. not sure about this one. I think it bails them out by giving them another chance at a high lottery pick AND a really good guard. Is Parker really worth both of those assets? If you replace BKL 17 with DAL or LAC pick then we might have something, but even then I'm not sure Parker moves this team closer to a banner this year or next.

[Bohemian]

So to sum up the latest Celtics rumored moves:

1. Knicks contact Celtics trying to unload Melo on us. Danny says no.

2. Celtics give a tryout to Larry Sanders

3. Orlando testing the market for Ibaka. Celtics mentioned as potential trade partners

4. The Bulls are breaking down...would they revisit Butler trade scenarios with us again?

Is that it?

Update appreciated!

I'm traveling and couldn't keep up. Try not to let this forum get to unruly without my iron fist lol!

No problem!

[Celts17Pride]

Wade's no longer a star.

Wade is nothing without the refs whistle.

[claycarver]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

hmmmm. not sure about this one. I think it bails them out by giving them another chance at a high lottery pick AND a really good guard. Is Parker really worth both of those assets? If you replace BKL 17 with DAL or LAC pick then we might have something, but even then I'm not sure Parker moves this team closer to a banner this year or next.

He said NON BRK pick.

I do this trade. I think its very good for the Bucks, but I also think it works for us. Jabari and then Zizic next year is a huge improvement up front and I think this draft is going to force us to move a guard anyway.

No question, we give Jabari a max contract in 2018. But his max is much less than Avery's max. Its not liekly that Avery will get max money from anyone, but I wouldn't count a Brooklyn throwing stupid money at Avery. I feel much more comfortable giving Jabari his first max contract than outbidding some desperate team for Avery in 2018.

We go into next year without Avery but we add Jabari, Fultz, and Zizic...it also frees up a little more money for a max FA if we want. So maybe we add Hayward and bump Crowder to the bench.

We end up deeper, more balanced and much younger. We improve our talent and push our window further out. I like it.

[greenroom31]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

I like Jabari but agree that's an overpay. I'd take Brown out of there and it's probably a fair deal, although I'm not sure it actually makes the Celtics better, so not positive why we do it. Jabari is going to need to be paid the same time Avery is up for a contract.

[Stadium5]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

I like Jabari but agree that's an overpay. I'd take Brown out of there and it's probably a fair deal, although I'm not sure it actually makes the Celtics better, so not positive why we do it. Jabari is going to need to be paid the same time Avery is up for a contract.

I see Bradley as a net negative whether we end up resigning him for big money or lose him for nothing. If we can manage to package him in a trade and really up our sending out package I think it'd be a huge luxury for us. Especially for a guy like Jabari

[165bows]

Interesting note in Zach Lowe's column about the Jazz trying to keep Gobert separated from Favors' on court time. No trade stuff noted but that is something to watch for.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18560667/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-lebron-james-passing-nba

[Edug27]

So to sum up the latest Celtics rumored moves:

1. Knicks contact Celtics trying to unload Melo on us. Danny says no.

2. Celtics give a tryout to Larry Sanders

3. Orlando testing the market for Ibaka. Celtics mentioned as potential trade partners

4. The Bulls are breaking down...would they revisit Butler trade scenarios with us again?

Is that it?

Thanks for the recap. Should be an interesting next couple weeks. Here's my take on each...

1. I don't see Danny getting in on this unless Phil becomes really desperate. It seems like the Clips and Cavs are much more realistic options. Either way, I don't see NY getting much in return for Melo aside from expirings, mediocre players, and some late first round draft picks.

2. Interesting. If he's still motivated and has something left in the tank, then he'd be a great addition. Rebounds, blocks, and a couple lob dunks... I like it. Though we need to be sure he's all in mentally.

3. I'd hate to see what Ibaka would cost. He'd be a nice addition next to Horford though. The tough thing here is Ibaka is due a pretty big contract this summer. I'd also hate to be the team giving it to him. Again, we'd have to catch Orlando in a pretty desperate situation... otherwise pass.

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

[Edug27]

Wade's no longer a star.

Wade is nothing without the refs whistle.

That whistle isn't going anywhere.

[TheOGJabroni]

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

[165bows]

I'd pass the '19 LAC pick to NY in a Melo deal to LAC, if a less protected '21 pick came back from LA. NY may not want to wait that long for their trade return but I know of someone who might.

Boston trades Mickey, Young, LAC 19 to Ny and takes back Pierce for salary and a top 7 (or whatever) protected 2021 first.

LA could loosen their protections on '19 for NY, one decent first might be all they get back.