2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

[spearsy23]

I'd love to get Tyreke Evans from New Orleans. Can play 1-3. Move roberson back to SF, have Dipo anchor the bench. I wonder if there is any chance they'd take Kanter for him.

Russ/Payne
Roberson/Dipo
Evans/morrow
Sabonis/Jerami
Adams/Joffrey

Defenses would never step foot outside the 3P line against that starting lineup. The floor spacing in our starting lineup is already atrocious. Replacing Oladipo with Tyreke Evans makes it astronomically bad.

I think if you trade for Tyreke he's the guy that comes off the bench. He's better with the ball than dipo anyway.

[spearsy23]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

Vic averages 14 shots per game, Enes 10, and Steven 8. Vic is already the second option.

And no, taking the ball away from Russ so that Vic can use possessions isn't going make us better.

[thor19]

If we start with Oladipo and the put him in the bench and use Abrines that is one of our best shooter and let Oladipo run the second unit more until Cam wake up and start shooting the play and realized the season begin. This one when RW is in the bench we have Oladipo with Kanter that should give our second unit a boost. We need a sf for our first unit and a decent scorer to help kanter with the second unit

[ThunderBolt]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

Vic averages 14 shots per game, Enes 10, and Steven 8. Vic is already the second option.

And no, taking the ball away from Russ so that Vic can use possessions isn't going make us better.

One guy averages 30 a game, the second option averages 16. We aren't a mystery on offense. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. We would absolutely be better if some of Russel westbrooks' 3pa went to Oladipo, Adams or even one of his own midrange jumpers. Someone has to be second by default but it doesn't mean they are really a true threat. I've been critical of Vic. I watch him like a hawk. Since he has come back from the sprained wrist, he's been better. He's had halves where he has dominated. We are a better team when he is involved. We struggle when he disappears.

[NaturalThunder]

If we start with Oladipo and the put him in the bench and use Abrines that is one of our best shooter and let Oladipo run the second unit more until Cam wake up and start shooting the play and realized the season begin. This one when RW is in the bench we have Oladipo with Kanter that should give our second unit a boost. We need a sf for our first unit and a decent scorer to help kanter with the second unit

If we did trade for Tyreke, then there's no way you can justify moving Oladipo to the bench and let Tyreke start. Again, our floor spacing would be so comically bad in the starting lineup, teams would all pack their defense around the lane and just stand, point, and laugh at our players if they started measuring up a three pointer.

The only way a Tyreke trade would make sense, if the plan was for him to come and come off the bench. Like spearsy said, Tyreke is better as a ball-dominator, facilitator, shot-creator-off-the-bounce player than Oladipo. A starting guard/wing trio of Russ, Tyreke, and Roberson is as bad as it gets when it comes to 3P shooting.

[thor19]

I dont want tyreke unless is for the second unit. If we stay we our roster and dont make any trade I say put Oladipo more time with the second unit and put Abrines with RW, Andre, Sabonis and Adams, and use Oladipo the same way harden was used as a sg/pg . Oladipo as the primary creator, and let Cam relax and maybe hit more outside shot. Start with RW, Oladipo, Roberson(find a sf that is a real 3/d not only defense) sabonis, Adams. The first player to hit the bench should be Oladipo so he could help the second unit when Westbrook is in the bench and we dont look lost. Also I think using Abrines more with RW and Andre should help in spacing.

[NaturalThunder]

I dont want tyreke unless is for the second unit. If we stay we our roster and dont make any trade I say put Oladipo more time with the second unit and put Abrines with RW, Andre, Sabonis and Adams, and use Oladipo the same way harden was used as a sg/pg . Oladipo as the primary creator, and let Cam relax and maybe hit more outside shot. Start with RW, Oladipo, Roberson(find a sf that is a real 3/d not only defense) sabonis, Adams. The first player to hit the bench should be Oladipo so he could help the second unit when Westbrook is in the bench and we dont look lost. Also I think using Abrines more with RW and Andre should help in spacing.

My bad. I misread your other post.

[ThunderBolt]

What about Shabazz Muhammad? I was looking at his stats and seems like a good young prospect. He's shooting 41% from three.

[thor19]

Minnesota say they can trade shabazz if the team pick rubio or something like that

[SvenniSterki]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

It seems Donovan has found more ways to get Adams and Kanter playing time together. I think that says more than anything about how valuable Adams is as a defender. He is just a monster out there. But now Donovan needs to find ways to make the offense more fluid, we are pretty good in transition as both Kanter and Adams are pretty good at running the floor and Westbrook rewards them frequently so they get more benefits if they run....

I am not sure I would like to see Abrines get more playing time with 1st unit cause of his defense. Maybe later in his career. But then until Roberson can find a way to find an outside shot the offense is so stagnant. Roberson is actually a pretty efficient cutter but that is just another option that lets opponents clog the paint..... which is kinda the biggest problem OKC has now. No floor spreading.

With current roster its really hard to find ways to fix this now. If they would keep the current roster for like 3 seasons this would automatically get better, but with Westbrook in his prime that should maybe not be the agenda for the team?

[thor19]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

It seems Donovan has found more ways to get Adams and Kanter playing time together. I think that says more than anything about how valuable Adams is as a defender. He is just a monster out there. But now Donovan needs to find ways to make the offense more fluid, we are pretty good in transition as both Kanter and Adams are pretty good at running the floor and Westbrook rewards them frequently so they get more benefits if they run....

I am not sure I would like to see Abrines get more playing time with 1st unit cause of his defense. Maybe later in his career. But then until Roberson can find a way to find an outside shot the offense is so stagnant. Roberson is actually a pretty efficient cutter but that is just another option that lets opponents clog the paint..... which is kinda the biggest problem OKC has now. No floor spreading.

With current roster its really hard to find ways to fix this now. If they would keep the current roster for like 3 seasons this would automatically get better, but with Westbrook in his prime that should maybe not be the agenda for the team?

thats the reason I say let Oladipo start but let him run the second unit more and put abrines or morrow (both not very good defenders) with RW and Andre how is a really good cutter having a shooter will open the paint for RW and Andre can have more open lanes , having Sabonis how could should also help. With Oladipo in the second unit we should at least score more than 11 points in a quarter and he can have the ball with RW in the bench , and closing the game you put RW Oladipo, Roberson, Kanter and Adams

[thor19]

The problem is our second best player, Adams, isn't consistent offensively. Adams does so many things well but much of his offense is dependent on how well teams defend the PNR. Russ can score without Adams, Adams can't do the same without Russ. The problem I see is a mix of the personnel we have and the philosophy of our style of play. We have to have a second offensive guy and by default that should be Oladipo. However we refuse to do much of anything to run plays for him since RW controls everything. Vic was on the bench way too long in the third quarter last night. We have played this style for years and I don't see it changing. Yes it worked when we had two of the best 5 players in the league, but those days are gone. Yes I will acknowledge that if Roberson played for Golden state he wouldn't be a good three point shooter. So we do need to improve our roster. However the philosophy of play that Presti appears to want, I disagree with.

It seems Donovan has found more ways to get Adams and Kanter playing time together. I think that says more than anything about how valuable Adams is as a defender. He is just a monster out there. But now Donovan needs to find ways to make the offense more fluid, we are pretty good in transition as both Kanter and Adams are pretty good at running the floor and Westbrook rewards them frequently so they get more benefits if they run....

I am not sure I would like to see Abrines get more playing time with 1st unit cause of his defense. Maybe later in his career. But then until Roberson can find a way to find an outside shot the offense is so stagnant. Roberson is actually a pretty efficient cutter but that is just another option that lets opponents clog the paint..... which is kinda the biggest problem OKC has now. No floor spreading.

With current roster its really hard to find ways to fix this now. If they would keep the current roster for like 3 seasons this would automatically get better, but with Westbrook in his prime that should maybe not be the agenda for the team?

thats the reason I say let Oladipo start but let him run the second unit more and put abrines or morrow (both not very good defenders) with RW and Andre how is a really good cutter having a shooter will open the paint for RW and Andre can have more open lanes , having Sabonis how could should also help. With Oladipo in the second unit we should at least score more than 11 points in a quarter and he can have the ball with RW in the bench , and closing the game you put RW Oladipo, Roberson, Kanter and Adams

Until we find a SF that can shoot and defend and some in the second unit to help Kanter

[Andre Roberstan]

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Not sure how solid the rumor is.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Not sure how solid the rumor is.

If they would take something like Kanter and Payne it would be doable. Would the Knicks be interested in Kanter for Melo?

[Bergmaniac]

No way Melo is coming to OKC, he loves the spotlight in the big cities too much. His celebrity wife would be against it too.

[Andre Roberstan]

Not sure how solid the rumor is.

If they would take something like Kanter and Payne it would be doable. Would the Knicks be interested in Kanter for Melo?

No idea.

Kanter and filler gets the job done. I have no idea how much value they'd accept.

[Kizz Fastfists]

No way Melo is coming to OKC, he loves the spotlight in the big cities too much. His celebrity wife would be against it too.

It depends. He knows how close OKC was to a championship with kd. His ego tells him is as good as kd so Melo could see it as a chance to get a ring. Melo would have to care enough about a ring to go to a smaller market, but since he was willing to go to Cleveland it would seem he might be at that point in his career. I don't think Melo puts OKC back to where they would be with kd, but I can see Melo convincing himself that he's good enough to do that.

[jbk1234]

Not sure how solid the rumor is.

If they would take something like Kanter and Payne it would be doable. Would the Knicks be interested in Kanter for Melo?

No idea.

Kanter and filler gets the job done. I have no idea how much value they'd accept.

Just curious - you guys ever regret not offering Waiters his Q.O.?

[bondom34]

If they would take something like Kanter and Payne it would be doable. Would the Knicks be interested in Kanter for Melo?

No idea.

Kanter and filler gets the job done. I have no idea how much value they'd accept.

Just curious - you guys ever regret not offering Waiters his Q.O.?

Rumor was he had an offer for about 7 mil, thought he was worth more.

But nope, not for a second, Abrines is playing really well.