Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Curmudgeon]

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

I doubt if Philly gets anything even vaguely close to that for Okafor.

[TheOGJabroni]

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

I doubt if Philly gets anything even vaguely close to that for Okafor.

Really? If anything I thought they'd be the ones that needed more value. I know Okafor has his warts but he's still at least cost controlled for awhile. I still think our own incoming/outgoing players is incredible value for Butler anyway.

[BleedGreen1989]

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

No chance you get Butler for that package.

[Waider]

I mentiined an interest in Jabari a few days back. Anyone here think Bradley/Brown/non BRK 1st would get it done or would it be an overpay from the Celtics?

hmmmm. not sure about this one. I think it bails them out by giving them another chance at a high lottery pick AND a really good guard. Is Parker really worth both of those assets? If you replace BKL 17 with DAL or LAC pick then we might have something, but even then I'm not sure Parker moves this team closer to a banner this year or next.

He said NON BRK pick.

I do this trade. I think its very good for the Bucks, but I also think it works for us. Jabari and then Zizic next year is a huge improvement up front and I think this draft is going to force us to move a guard anyway.

No question, we give Jabari a max contract in 2018. But his max is much less than Avery's max. Its not liekly that Avery will get max money from anyone, but I wouldn't count a Brooklyn throwing stupid money at Avery. I feel much more comfortable giving Jabari his first max contract than outbidding some desperate team for Avery in 2018.

We go into next year without Avery but we add Jabari, Fultz, and Zizic...it also frees up a little more money for a max FA if we want. So maybe we add Hayward and bump Crowder to the bench.

We end up deeper, more balanced and much younger. We improve our talent and push our window further out. I like it.

I agreed earlier that it was an overpay but also think the above is right too. And I think I'm happy to overpay for Jabari.

[Edug27]

4. I think this mess will play into the offseason. I don't see Chicago making any panic moves now, especially since they are a playoff team at the moment. Probably just unload Rondo after that IG post. I do see Chicago being forced to rebuild sooner rather than later. But I said it before and I'll say it again.... Work in a 3 team deal with Philly and Chicago... I think Okafor would really interest that front office.

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

No chance you get Butler for that package.

All depends on Chicagos motivation level. Not every player gets dealt for a higher return.

[fallguy]

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

No chance you get Butler for that package.

All depends on Chicagos motivation level. Not every player gets dealt for a higher return.

This is something people forget (and they shouldn't because everyone is subject to it): you don't get equal value. You get what you can negotiate. Chicago will eventually have to move him and the longer they wait, the less his value. Although it could fairly be argued that they'll have more suitors come the summer. Many teams are not willing to make that level of a move in-season.

That said, if they hold him beyond the summer it's a mistake.

[Darth Celtic]

This could make a lot of sense. Philly may sell low on Okafor and if it meant getting Butler without needing to give up a BK pick, you need to explore it.

Boston in: Butler
Boston out: Brown, Rozier, Zeller, 19 Memphis 1st, 19 LAC 1st

Chicago in: Brown, Okafor, 19 Memphis 1st
Chicago out: Butler

Philly in: Rozier, Zeller, 19 LAC 1st
Philly out: Okafor

No chance you get Butler for that package.

All depends on Chicagos motivation level. Not every player gets dealt for a higher return.

more like almost none do. Trades are about age, picks, cap, team makeup, and sometimes done to just blow it up and get your pick to be higher (tank).

[darrendaye]

It's funny, Cleveland's 2 desperation "please LeBron" moves for Love and Mosgov have really skewed valuations.

[Darth Celtic]

It's funny, Cleveland's 2 desperation "please LeBron" moves for Love and Mosgov have really skewed valuations.

Love was considered a top 5 player when he was traded. I think the 1st pick in the draft of a fairly good draft is about right. Love is better and will be better than Wiggins for some time now, but wiggins is much younger and under a much cheaper contract. Also, having WIggins over Love made them worse, which gives them higher picks without announcing to the world you are taking (sixers, cough, cough).

Now, that Mosgov deal is really killing the trade market. Now every middle of the pack player on a good contract is worth 2 draft picks? uh, no.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Re: Butler, he could be a Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown and rights to (Yabusele?) get.

I debated this with a Bulls fan last week who said I was out of touch and inventing a narrative because I said there had to be a behind the scenes or human element involved to motivate Chicago, or else Butler would be nowhere near the trade market.

Thinking maybe the Bulls want a cheap rebuilding team with deferential young players playing for Hoiberg and not asking too many questions.

[KGboss]

According to CSNNE.com's A. Sherrod Blakely, the Celtics have had preliminary discussions with the Magic regarding a trade for Vucevic. However, Blakely was quick to note "no deal is imminent" with just under a month remaining until the Feb. 23 trade deadline.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Saw an interesting stat about Vucevic and contested rebounds - I.e. he doesn't grab many. If we're cutting into the cap space, FWIW, he wouldn't be my first choice. But he fills a need.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Saw an interesting stat about Vucevic and contested rebounds - I.e. he doesn't grab many. If we're cutting into the cap space, FWIW, he wouldn't be my first choice. But he fills a need.

[London2Boston]

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Isn't much reason to not make a good trade now just because of free agency flexibility.

[Curmudgeon]

After watching him tonight, Serge Ibaka is off my list of trade targets. Air Congo is toast.

[Asian Celtic]

Other than a defensive rebounding big, i think we need an energy guy off the bench who can shoot, like an eddie house type of guy. GG comes to mind but is fairly inconsistent as well as rozier.

[Curmudgeon]

Latest rumor is that the Celtics have inquired about Vucevic.

[Celts17Pride]

Latest rumor is that the Celtics have inquired about Vucevic.

Ainge probably called Orlando. Orlando said they are interested in Bradley, Smart or Crowder. Ainge said nice talking to you enjoy the weather.

[Curmudgeon]

Amir and Kelly looked like allstars after being defended by Vucevic. I wouldn't give anything for him.

[Captain_Caveman]

This is something people forget (and they shouldn't because everyone is subject to it): you don't get equal value. You get what you can negotiate. Chicago will eventually have to move him and the longer they wait, the less his value. Although it could fairly be argued that they'll have more suitors come the summer. Many teams are not willing to make that level of a move in-season.

That said, if they hold him beyond the summer it's a mistake.

I hope Chicago keeps him so I can watch them rot lol.