GMAT Winter Edition: Discussion

Post #1121 » by **Ralnor** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:19 pm

Here is how I had the conferences ranked as:

Western Conference

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For the Eastern Conference

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BdeRegt · Post #1122 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:28 pm

My rankings (Clippers not included as the roster page isn't updated, I have no clue who is on their team. If anyone else isn't updated, they are ranked based on what is listed):

Minnesota
Oklahoma City
Chicago
Toronto
Philly
Boston
Phoenix
Lakers
Houston
Atlanta
Utah
Cleveland
Knicks
Charlotte
Milwaukee
Portland
Dallas
New Orleans
Brooklyn
Orlando
Denver
Detroit
Miami
Indiana
Sacramento
Washington
Seattle
San Antonio
Las Vegas

Dan Verze · Post #1123 » by **Dan Verze** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:03 pm

DroppinDimes wrote:

Do we have enough lists for playoffs? 7-10 should be enough cuz its only playoffs.

Diamondman07 · Post #1124 » by **Diamondman07** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:26 pm

So basically you guys are doing rankings based on star power? Not on a cohesive team and how an actual game would play out?

BdeRegt · Post #1125 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:33 pm

Diamondman07 wrote:So basically you guys are doing rankings based on star power? Not on a cohesive team and how an actual game would play out?

Which team are you thinking should be higher? I have my rankings above. I voted certain teams lower than others for this exact reason that they are just a couple stars and then nothing. This is the NBA though. You can't win without a star.

Tfence92 · Post #1126 » by **Tfence92** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:48 pm

Diamondman07 wrote:So basically you guys are doing rankings based on star power? Not on a cohesive team and how an actual game would play out?

Dan Verze · Post #1127 » by **Dan Verze** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:56 pm

Diamondman07 wrote:So basically you guys are doing rankings based on star power? Not on a cohesive team and how an actual game would play out?

Post your rankings mate

:)::) wanna see what you think!!

Rankings are always very subjective, cant do nothin about it

DroppinDimes · Post #1128 » by **DroppinDimes** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:24 pm

Dan Verze wrote:
DroppinDimes wrote:

Do we have enough lists for playoffs? 7-10 should be enough cuz its only playoffs.

We have about 6 or 7. I'll take care of the rankings in a few.

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BdeRegt · Post #1129 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:25 pm

Agree with Dan. I would love to hear some specifics so we can have some actual discussion as that is what I feel is missing most from these games and what I want the most. For example, I think I rated Boston a little high thinking more on their team. CP3 will be another year older so hard for him to carry a team and next season, I do not think Iguodala or Dirk will be starter quality. Iguodala already isn't this year as he has really struggled and looks to be aging fast.

In the 2 other rankings posted, I think LAL and HOU are getting overrated. Lakers have great trio in Westbrook, Hayward, and Durant but Hayward will struggle on quick SGs and the rest of the team is just awful. Chandler will be 35 at this point and Ezeli can't get healthy. Motiejunas will get smoked by most PFs. Durant is only plus defender so I think the team will score but also get scored upon. For Houston, I hate the fit of Wall and Harden together. Harden has proven that you need to let him have the ball and I think Wall is wasted next to him. Minnesota seems underrated as the only big weakness I see is the backup PF slot.

I'll even critique my own teams. For the Warriors, I should have demanded more for Durant and Klay. I gave up a little too much offense to improve defense and depth. For Memphis, it is a lot of good players with Gasol being the best but no one truly Elite-Elite. You need at least 2 of those to contend so Memphis is probably a playoff team that loses first or second round depending on the match up.

Diamondman07 · Post #1130 » by **Diamondman07** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:36 pm

Dan Verze wrote:
Diamondman07 wrote:So basically you guys are doing rankings based on star power? Not on a cohesive team and how an actual game would play out?

Post your rankings mate :)::) wanna see what you think!!

Rankings are always very subjective, cant do nothin about it

My rankings wouldn't even address the issue I have.

Wizards are the deepest team in the league, built like the past 2 years of the Boston Celtics that were play off teams if not even better.

Deep quality depth (solid 10-11 players) with strong defensive players.

This was my first time doing one of these and obviously I missed the memo, I though this was suppose to be like a real team and how they'd play together.

I'd love to put these rosters on a NBA video game simulator to see the outcome of these rosters.

BdeRegt · Post #1131 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:47 pm

Sent you these after you PM'ed me but so anyone can debate my thoughts on Wizards:

1. You have a rookie PG. I think Smith will end up being great but rookie PGs usually struggle especially asked to lead a team. The game is so much faster and there are so many great PGs in the league. There will be steep learning curve.

2. Okafor is just a huge weakness on defense. There is reason he is getting a lot of DNP/less minutes with the 76ers.

3. I do like Otto Porter and MKG. I think they would be a really good combo in a small ball lineup at the 3/4. They aren't going to be able to be a primary scorer on a playoff team.

4. I would greatly argue with Meeks/Rondo being solid rotation pieces to brag about going 10+.

5. Comparing to the Celtics currently, they are deep but they still have IT who turned into an All-Star level player to carry the offense and they really struggled when he sat last year. Now they have Horford also.

6. Mostly, this is ranking just on one season. I like your teams potential to develop. Smith should be a stud and you have built a good team around him. If Okafor becomes a good NBA player (I think it'd be at C), you could have a good lineup in 2-3 years of Smith/???/Porter/MKG/Okafor.

Post #1132 » by **Ralnor** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:51 pm

BdeRegt wrote:Agree with Dan. I would love to hear some specifics so we can have some actual discussion as that is what I feel is missing most from these games and what I want the most. For example, I think I rated Boston a little high thinking more on their team. CP3 will be another year older so hard for him to carry a team and next season, I do not think Iguodala or Dirk will be starter quality. Iguodala already isn't this year as he has really struggled and looks to be aging fast.

In the 2 other rankings posted, I think LAL and HOU are getting overrated. Lakers have great trio in Westbrook, Hayward, and Durant but Hayward will struggle on quick SGs and the rest of the team is just awful. Chandler will be 35 at this point and Ezeli can't get healthy. Motiejunas will get smoked by most PFs. Durant is only plus defender so I think the team will score but also get scored upon. For Houston, I hate the fit of Wall and Harden together. Harden has proven that you need to let him have the ball and I think Wall is wasted next to him. Minnesota seems underrated as the only big weakness I see is the backup PF slot.

I'll even critique my own teams. For the Warriors, I should have demanded more for Durant and Klay. I gave up a little too much offense to improve defense and depth. For Memphis, it is a lot of good players with Gasol being the best but no one truly Elite-Elite. You need at least 2 of those to contend so Memphis is probably a playoff team that loses first or second round depending on the match up.

With Boston both Iggy and Dirk will be playing 20ish minutes with Green and Crowder picking up most of the other minutes. But I agree they will be getting up there in age that is why I wanted to have quality backups at both of those spots.

I believe I have a strong starting five with solid backups at each spot also.

Also, I like that we are able to discuss how we each rank each other.

BdeRegt · Post #1133 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:55 pm

Hopping4Wiggins wrote:
BdeRegt wrote:Agree with Dan. I would love to hear some specifics so we can have some actual discussion as that is what I feel is missing most from these games and what I want the most. For example, I think I rated Boston a little high thinking more on their team. CP3 will be another year older so hard for him to carry a team and next season, I do not think Iguodala or Dirk will be starter quality. Iguodala already isn't this year as he has really struggled and looks to be aging fast.

In the 2 other rankings posted, I think LAL and HOU are getting overrated. Lakers have great trio in Westbrook, Hayward, and Durant but Hayward will struggle on quick SGs and the rest of the team is just awful. Chandler will be 35 at this point and Ezeli can't get healthy. Motiejunas will get smoked by most PFs. Durant is only plus defender so I think the team will score but also get scored upon. For Houston, I hate the fit of Wall and Harden together. Harden has proven that you need to let him have the ball and I think Wall is wasted next to him. Minnesota seems underrated as the only big weakness I see is the backup PF slot.

I'll even critique my own teams. For the Warriors, I should have demanded more for Durant and Klay. I gave up a little too much offense to improve defense and depth. For Memphis, it is a lot of good players with Gasol being the best but no one truly Elite-Elite. You need at least 2 of those to contend so Memphis is probably a playoff team that loses first or second round depending on the match up.

With Boston both Iggy and Dirk will be playing 20ish minutes with Green and Crowder picking up most of the other minutes. But I agree they will be getting up there in age that is why I wanted to have quality backups at both of those spots.

I believe I have a strong starting five with solid backups at each spot also.

Also, I like that we are able to discuss how we each rank each other.

Ya, I wouldn't have moved you down much. I have you definitely 4th in the East for Regular Season with better potential in playoffs. I think Regular Season your team struggles on back to backs, 3 in 4 night scenarios. In playoffs, the age won't be as much of an impact but still wonder how they will be performing by end of next year (no way to know). If I moved you down at all, I am not sure who I prefer in Regular Season between you and LAL the more I think about it as think both will have more scheduled losses than a regular team.

Zion Wembanyama · Post #1134 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:33 pm

Looks like the Pelicans will be missing the playoffs again. Poor AD.

BdeRegt · Post #1135 » by **BdeRegt** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:48 pm

JR SMITH_5 wrote:Looks like the Pelicans will be missing the playoffs again. Poor AD.

I blame the management there. They had lots of offers to get him on a clear playoff team (*cough*Warriors*cough*) but selfishly kept him stuck in New Orleans instead of letting him move on to another team.

Zion Wembanyama · Post #1136 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:55 pm

BdeRegt wrote:
JR SMITH_5 wrote:Looks like the Pelicans will be missing the playoffs again. Poor AD.

I blame the management there. They had lots of offers to get him on a clear playoff team (*cough*Warriors*cough*) but selfishly kept him stuck in New Orleans instead of letting him move on to another team.

DroppinDimes · Post #1137 » by **DroppinDimes** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:58 pm

I've had a busy day today but I should have the rankings posted in the next few hours

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Zion Wembanyama · Post #1138 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:05 pm

Ness, where's your rankings?

Dan Verze · Post #1139 » by **Dan Verze** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:08 pm

BdeRegt wrote:Agree with Dan. I would love to hear some specifics so we can have some actual discussion as that is what I feel is missing most from these games and what I want the most. For example, I think I rated Boston a little high thinking more on their team. CP3 will be another year older so hard for him to carry a team and next season, I do not think Iguodala or Dirk will be starter quality. Iguodala already isn't this year as he has really struggled and looks to be aging fast.

In the 2 other rankings posted, I think LAL and HOU are getting overrated. Lakers have great trio in Westbrook, Hayward, and Durant but Hayward will struggle on quick SGs and the rest of the team is just awful. Chandler will be 35 at this point and Ezeli can't get healthy. Motiejunas will get smoked by most PFs. Durant is only plus defender so I think the team will score but also get scored upon. For Houston, I hate the fit of Wall and Harden together. Harden has proven that you need to let him have the ball and I think Wall is wasted next to him. Minnesota seems underrated as the only big weakness I see is the backup PF slot.

I'll even critique my own teams. For the Warriors, I should have demanded more for Durant and Klay. I gave up a little too much offense to improve defense and depth. For Memphis, it is a lot of good players with Gasol being the best but no one truly Elite-Elite. You need at least 2 of those to contend so Memphis is probably a playoff team that loses first or second round depending on the match up.

While I agree that Harden and Wall is not the best fit on paper cause both are triple double threats and are most effective with the ball in their hands, you are ignoring the fact that great players can adjust (see Wade+Lebron), and a player like Harden cannot do everything for 48minutes (thats why the real-life Rockets wont win the title). Wall will help and they will play a lot of minutes next to Bev who is a great fit. I also think that many people are underrating Wall's impact. In contrary to Harden, he has become a great defender which also makes him a good fit next to Harden.

I agree that its a cool idea that some of the posters posted their rankings and that we have discussions about that.

It would be cool if every GM could get a feedback for his work but its a lot of work. Too bad we cannot post voice mails lol. Im too lazy typing all these feedbacks lol.

Dan Verze · Post #1140 » by **Dan Verze** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:12 pm

JR SMITH_5 wrote:Looks like the Pelicans will be missing the playoffs again. Poor AD.

I think you did a great job getting a 2nd star next to AD. McCollum is a great fit! You were also able to unload bad contracts. If the Pelicans dont make the playoffs, it just shows you guys that the west is stacked again.

You should have traded AD to the Rockets though.