Official Speculation Thread 2016 Volume VII - Defense Wins Championships

[NEM]

After GM Hennigan is released, will the new GM retain Coach Vogel or make a total reset?

if a new GM comes in and fires Vogel, Orlando wont be able to hire a good coach for 1-2 decades. No one would come near us

Vogel isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years unless he quits. You can't expect a coach to lead your team to wins when the GM is incompetent in everything basketball related. Just because a player has a long wing span or can jump high/run fast, doesn't make him a good basketball player which seems to be what our GM thinks to be the truth. If that was the case, usain bolt would have had a max contract in the NBA by now.

[drsd]

Vogel isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years unless he quits. You can't expect a coach to lead your team to wins when the GM is incompetent in everything basketball related. Just because a player has a long wing span or can jump high/run fast, doesn't make him a good basketball player which seems to be what our GM thinks to be the truth. If that was the case, usain bolt would have had a max contract in the NBA by now.

Conceptually I agree. But the only way this works is if Martins allows Couch Vogel to have decision-authority on the next GM. (or Martin's hires Vogel to a dual position).


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[NEM]

Vogel isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years unless he quits. You can't expect a coach to lead your team to wins when the GM is incompetent in everything basketball related. Just because a player has a long wing span or can jump high/run fast, doesn't make him a good basketball player which seems to be what our GM thinks to be the truth. If that was the case, usain bolt would have had a max contract in the NBA by now.

Conceptually I agree. But the only way this works is if Martins allows Couch Vogel to have decision-authority on the next GM. (or Martin's hires Vogel to a dual position).


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I can see Vogel wanting the president of basketball ops for job security after already having a bad experience. Rightfully so.

[drsd]

I can see Vogel wanting the president of basketball ops for job security after already having a bad experience. Rightfully so.

And in that does Vogel gain a dual GM/Coach role?



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[NEM]

I can see Vogel wanting the president of basketball ops for job security after already having a bad experience. Rightfully so.

And in that does Vogel gain a dual GM/Coach role?



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If I was Vogel, I'd hire a GM in that case. To me, a GM and a coach should be equals at best. The coach should be above the GM in a supervisory role, honestly.

Vogel the coach tells the GM which players or which type of players he wants.

The GM tries to acquire these types of players.

Vogel the president makes sure the GM doesn't fire him for the GM's lack of ability to acquire said players.

If the team is successful, everyone gets credit.

[j-ragg]

After GM Hennigan is released, will the new GM retain Coach Vogel or make a total reset?

Lol "after he is released". Even if he got fired why would the new GM fire a good coach?

Maybe every year we should ditch the GM and coach until we find a combo that wins us a championship.

[j-ragg]

After GM Hennigan is released, will the new GM retain Coach Vogel or make a total reset?

if a new GM comes in and fires Vogel, Orlando wont be able to hire a good coach for 1-2 decades. No one would come near us

Vogel isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years unless he quits. You can't expect a coach to lead your team to wins when the GM is incompetent in everything basketball related. Just because a player has a long wing span or can jump high/run fast, doesn't make him a good basketball player which seems to be what our GM thinks to be the truth. If that was the case, usain bolt would have had a max contract in the NBA by now.

You sound like you'd have all the makings of a great GM.

[NEM]

if a new GM comes in and fires Vogel, Orlando wont be able to hire a good coach for 1-2 decades. No one would come near us

Vogel isn't going anywhere for at least 2 more years unless he quits. You can't expect a coach to lead your team to wins when the GM is incompetent in everything basketball related. Just because a player has a long wing span or can jump high/run fast, doesn't make him a good basketball player which seems to be what our GM thinks to be the truth. If that was the case, usain bolt would have had a max contract in the NBA by now.

You sound like you'd have all the makings of a great GM.

Finally someone sees my potential

[NEM]

After GM Hennigan is released, will the new GM retain Coach Vogel or make a total reset?

Lol "after he is released". Even if he got fired why would the new GM fire a good coach?

Maybe every year we should ditch the GM and coach until we find a combo that wins us a championship.

Well not EVERY year... maybe after half a decade of **** GMing. Yeah that seems like a good time frame.

[OrlandO]

I'm more concerned about who martins will hire as GM. What if he wants a GM to come in and make more win now moves with our remaining assets?

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[magicman112]

After this "adventure" with Magic, Vogel will be able to get a job as a mascot or waterboy, only.

I told everyone people would turn on the new coach in year one. #prophetic


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Yes, he's a good coach that's been proven. Look at the roster he has to work with, any coach would have trouble with this group.

[OrlandO]

After this "adventure" with Magic, Vogel will be able to get a job as a mascot or waterboy, only.

I told everyone people would turn on the new coach in year one. #prophetic


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Yes, he's a good coach that's been proven. Look at the roster he has to work with, any coach would have trouble with this group.

This much trouble? I don't think so. Vogel shouldn't be fired, but he's done nothing for us in his first year.

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[CZ Eddie]

I don't pretend to know what the Magic org is up to this year.
If we're looking to tank, then why aren't we giving playing time to Mario (other than being forced to play him right now).
If we're looking to win, then the trade deadline is when we should see some serious action. But all the losing hasn't helped the cause to get to the playoffs.

Either way, this trade deadline should make things more clear to us about WTF.
And if we seek to tank, then PLEASE don't trade for anyone older than 25.

[PrimeThyme]

After this "adventure" with Magic, Vogel will be able to get a job as a mascot or waterboy, only.

I told everyone people would turn on the new coach in year one. #prophetic


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Yes, he's a good coach that's been proven. Look at the roster he has to work with, any coach would have trouble with this group.

&& once again lets not act like Vogel didnt have say on how this roster ended up and the free agents we signed this summer. Rob went out and got the players Vogel wanted for his system and it has failed. Rob has said many times that him and Frank are tied at the hip when it comes to making decisions with this roster. Both deserve blame

[drsd]

Maybe every year we should ditch the GM and coach until we find a combo that wins us a championship.

This is not accurate. GM Hennigan has had 3 (and a half if you count Borrego's interim 30 games). GM Hennigan has had 4 1/2 years to guide the team, including all hiring decisions for Orlando's head coach.

If the Magic keep Coach Vogel and have a new GM, it means one of the most important decisions a GM makes will be out of his hands. That is not unprecedented, but it is not typical.

One interesting example is Popovich who "fired" himself as GM to hire GM Buford.

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So as I already stated, if Martins fires GM Hennigan and retains Coach Vogel, in effect Vogel will pick his GM. One thing that is good about that is that Coach Vogel can select a GM who will bring in his kind of players. That's a 3-year reset on this team; and it's probably the direction I expect the team to move towards.

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[Def Swami]

Among the worst "hustling" teams.

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[NEM]

I told everyone people would turn on the new coach in year one. #prophetic


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Yes, he's a good coach that's been proven. Look at the roster he has to work with, any coach would have trouble with this group.

&& once again lets not act like Vogel didnt have say on how this roster ended up and the free agents we signed this summer. Rob went out and got the players Vogel wanted for his system and it has failed. Rob has said many times that him and Frank are tied at the hip when it comes to making decisions with this roster. Both deserve blame

I have trouble with this at times... Vogel "signed off" on the moves, however he was the new guy in town and I think that a part of him didn't want to step on anyone's toes or ruffle feathers so early on in his tenure. I could be wrong, but it seems plausible. I think he was genuinely excited to coach Oladipo and then we traded him. Not saying he dislikes Ibaka, but I do think that he wasn't all the way on board with the moves.

[OrlandO]

I told everyone people would turn on the new coach in year one. #prophetic


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Yes, he's a good coach that's been proven. Look at the roster he has to work with, any coach would have trouble with this group.

&& once again lets not act like Vogel didnt have say on how this roster ended up and the free agents we signed this summer. Rob went out and got the players Vogel wanted for his system and it has failed. Rob has said many times that him and Frank are tied at the hip when it comes to making decisions with this roster. Both deserve blame

Yup not a coincidence biz, dj and rudez are on this team.... guys who either played for vogel or beat up his pacers. I wonder what he thought of Green?

[NEM]

Among the worst "hustling" teams.

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THIS falls on Vogel... this is inexcusable IMO. When You have a team that lacks in talent, they need to be scrappy and willing to fight for each possession. We have a team full of sissies that would rather roll over and die. Sickening.

[OrlandO]

Among the worst "hustling" teams.

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THIS falls on Vogel... this is inexcusable IMO. When You have a team that lacks in talent, they need to be scrappy and willing to fight for each possession. We have a team full of sissies that would rather roll over and die. Sickening.

We needed a brett brown type of coach... that guy actually coaches and will make you hustle and play hard whether it's natural to you or not. Here's an example... screaming and cursing for his player to move: https://streamable.com/34kt9