The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

[Crossy2008]

Rozier has been impressive from time to time this season, but I would be OK trading him, and having Jackson take over his role. I really like Jackson's game. He plays much more under control than Rozier.

[Darth Celtic]

exactly, no young player with injury concerns will turn down 4 years 90 million to take 1 year and 5.8 just so you can be unrestricted. That's just dumb, and of course I know that. The problem was it seems everyone is talking about next year. Point is, if the sixers want him next year, they have him. He'd have to wait till 2018 offseason to leave and take a ton of cash less.

[SmartWentCrazy]

No he is right he doesn't have to sign any deal and just take his QO like Monroe did. Read what he actually wrote.

Now I am not completely up to speed on the CBA changes and part of that is some of it isn't known yet but what is Noel's QO going to be? It was scheduled to be 5.8 mil, the CBA talks about a 45% increase in rookie scale but that is over 3 years, but I also saw something that said Noel's QO was going to be 13 mil. Tough to just sit on a 5.8 mil when teams are throwing 15-20 mil a season at you but a lot easier to sit on 13 mil.

My assumption is that the QO will not go up this offseason. I know the cap hold changes will not begin until the 2018 offseason, so I cannot imagine the QO not moving in lock-step with this.

[Smog]

A) Sigh. You're now shifting the goal posts. You are arguing a player "not remotely" worth 20M a year would turn down a clear overpay (by your earlier definition) "in his last shot at a big contract" because he wants a situation where he'd get more than the theoretical 30 MPG I carved out in my hypothetical situation. So Hill is going to accept much less money, for 3-6 more minutes a night on a worse team (Philly, Brooklyn, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Utah, Indiana, Chicago, Orlando or New Orleans, from your earlier list)? So much for "his last shot at a big contract", I guess. Or trying to win a title.

This is tiring. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

B) here's another relevant quote I said a few posts earlier:



I don't care about George Hill nor where he would go nor how much he's worth. I'm not going to continue to argue about him because that's nitpicking on an item that ignores what I was saying. My point was that I'd rather have max cap space as an asset than Nic Vucevic.

C) Nerlens Noel isn't turning down a 4 year 100mm deal to sign a 1 year ~7mm deal because of playing time concerns. Don't be dense. No one with his injury history would. An ACL tear has already cost him millions of dollars at this point-- he won't take that risk again.

He's also made it abundantly clear that all he cares about is money, which is why he wanted minutes, right back to his original twitter antics when he changed his avatar to indicate as such.

Now you're being obtuse just for the sake of it. In your hypothetical world, we're offering $20 million to Hill to be at most a backup, while perhaps a dozen point-guard needy teams with cap space will all offer less for a starting job? You think the Celtics, who not only don't need a point guard but have a brewing roster problem at the position given this year's draft class, would be the only team to throw stupid money at him? Remember that Mike Conley signed the biggest deal in history last year.

As for Noel, this is a guy who publicly blasted the team on numerous occasions for not finding a way to set him free, and called the logjam "silly." If you think that both Noel and Philly want to continue this relationship for multiple years at max money, I don't know what to tell you. And again, even if Philly somehow values him that much, that would mean they're certainly not attaching a lottery pick to him just to get Avery Bradley, since that's what this was originally about.

[Celts17Pride]

FWIW (which is probably very little)

The supposed "Kings Insider" in RealGM says the Celtics are trying to find a trade for Marcus Smart.

Doesn't make sense to me, Smart is fine right where he is as a 6th man and running the second unit. Need to put a better scoring option next to him next season (an improved Jaylen Brown or our Brk pick). They should move Bradley now when his value is at its peak

This info could and probably is total crap. Just pointing it out

[sully00]

But to me, a defensive big man is a big man who is.. um.. a pretty good defensive player. Amir is not.

Amir is a good defensive player. Stats(adjusted and non-adjusted), eye test, Brad, whatever. It's kind of a blatant truth. He's long, smart, quick enough, and has underrated strength. Can't rebound, but is good in spite of it. Pretty much the case with all of our bigs.

The other issue is that role guys like Amir and Al play in the defense doesn't necessarily reflect in their personal stats. Both players cover up IT's significant drawbacks defensively. I don't mean this as a slight but no matter how hard IT tries it is somewhat like playing against a little kid he can't really stop guys from doing what they want to do without help and because of what he means to the offense he can't pick up fouls.

The defense funnels penetration to Amir and Horford the other has to rotate and that leaves us exposed on the glass. I do think these two guys sacrifice a lot to make others effective. That said Amir is playing in cement right now he is better on defense than offense but it is painful to watch. That said plugging in some other guy doesn't necessarily mean it is going to make things better because that guy may not be willing and or able to do what Amir does even if he does have ankles that work.

[greenpierce]

If we were to help Melo to Clips how about something like this:

To Boston: Reddick, Pierce, O'Quinn, Hernangomez

To NY: Bradley, Crawford, Zeller

To Clips: Anthony, J. Young

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6805608

[GoCeltics123]

If we were to help Melo to Clips how about something like this:

To Boston: Reddick, Pierce, O'Quinn, Hernangomez

To NY: Bradley, Crawford, Zeller

To Clips: Anthony, J. Young

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6805608

NO. AB is too valuable even though I kinda like Redick and O'Quinn/Hernangomez

[SmartWentCrazy]

If we were to help Melo to Clips how about something like this:

To Boston: Reddick, Pierce, O'Quinn, Hernangomez

To NY: Bradley, Crawford, Zeller

To Clips: Anthony, J. Young

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6805608

If we were willing to deal AB in a deal for Melo, I'm imagining we'd probably just keep Melo. I think we'd much prefer him to Reddick and Pierce.

For reference, I also don't think we'd trade AB for Melo or this return. Especially because Reddick is an FA and going to get paid this offseason.

[GoCeltics123]

I will say this: if Ainge is trading Smart, his recent outbursts are probably a big reason why

[Green89]

I will say this: if Ainge is trading Smart, his recent outbursts are probably a big reason why

I didn't like how Smart acted last night. He needed a while to calm down. His outbursts have to be monitored because just a few days after the other issue, he had to be helped to simmer down by teammates last night.

[Smeff10]

if boogie is for sure staying in sac, would they entertain a trade for caulk-stein? I don't watch a lot of sac basketball but he seems like a good compliment. Rozier and non brk 1st?

[Curmudgeon]

We absolutely would NOT prefer Melo at nearly 30M a year to Reddick and Pierce. Melo totally clogs the Celtics' cap.
And the Knicks won't take Crawford. Their refusal to take him is why they are looking for a third team in the first place.

There is no way any 3-team LA, NY Boston deal works financially without Crawford, unless the Clips are willing to give up Doc's kid and virtually their entire bench. And if I were Ainge, my up front price for not hanging up the phone would be an unprotected first rounder from the Knicks.

[gocelts]

This is interesting. Danny was a knack for "winning" trades and the Knicks are in a bind here with limited options. I seriously doubt we land a star, but Rozier or anyone of value won't be involved.....a plater of Zeller Young or Mickey may get us a decent serviceable player or a pick.

[Celtics_Champs]

I will say this: if Ainge is trading Smart, his recent outbursts are probably a big reason why

Boy is he tough to root for. I like the guy but the way he acts on the court is exactly the type of player I see myself disliking with a passion if he were on a rival team.

I wouldn't mind seeing him traded but hopefully they can get to a point where they sell high.

[CelticFaninLBC]

So Smart for Noel?

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we were to help Melo to Clips how about something like this:

To Boston: Reddick, Pierce, O'Quinn, Hernangomez

To NY: Bradley, Crawford, Zeller

To Clips: Anthony, J. Young

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6805608

If we were willing to deal AB in a deal for Melo, I'm imagining we'd probably just keep Melo. I think we'd much prefer him to Reddick and Pierce.

For reference, I also don't think we'd trade AB for Melo or this return. Especially because Reddick is an FA and going to get paid this offseason.

Young, Bradley, Zeller for Reddick, Pierce, O'Quinn, Hernangomez? Pass. Add in unprotected Knicks pick this year and it's a maybe.

[FlatearthZorro]

So Smart for Noel?

Bogut is still the best option out there, if we can make it happen somehow.

We don't need Noel- we're either gonna have to pay him or let him go at the end of the season. Not only that but Zizic is coming next season for sure.

[Avalanche]

Having to pay Noel, if he is a real defensive anchor and a big future part of our front court isn't actually a bad thing

I'm not moving Smart though

[Froob]

Chris Mannix brought up a good point that you can't invest big money in IT, Bradley, and Smart. IT and Bradley are probably 100+ mill players and Smart could be looking at between 60-80. Somebody has to go, who will it be?