Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Induveca]

One caveat that always sticks in the back of mind with Anthony is that he *could* be the most amazing version of Otto Porter in the league today. He is capable of that role, except with higher usage. He's an awful #1 star but an incredible supporting actor. If someone could jedi mind-trick him into playing like he does for the olympics, he could absolutely help push a team into contender status.

As the third option who does all the little things.

But augh, he's never been willing to do that in the NBA. Not ever. It's too risky to take that gamble now.

Still, I admit, if I was a GM... I'd make the call. I'd want to talk to him directly. If he said "'I'd love to play with Wall and Beal. I know it's their team. I've been the star, now I just want to win games. I want playoffs. I want championships. I'll do whatever coach wants to make the team better, and I don't care if that means 10 shots or 20. Just let me help them win." If he said that I would trade for him in a heartbeat, because that 'Melo is a firking great player to have.

He never would though. He never would, and that is a da*n shame.

I've thought the same thing countless times. He might work on the Clippers, Spurs or Cavaliers. Don't see another organizational culture where a combo of player/coach would force him into his Olympic style of play.

Also, if I'm the Cavs I'd do my best to trade Love for a package of Anthony/Jennings. James/Anthony are the same age so why not? He's a damn good rebounder when motivated (he's had many 15 rebound games in the playoffs).

[NatP4]

Knicks fans seem to think they won't even get one first rounder for Melo. It's definitely something to consider

[Induveca]

Knicks fans seem to think they won't even get one first rounder for Melo. It's definitely something to consider

Unfortunately with his trade kicker he'll be making 29 million a year for the next 2 years. Ouch!

James has been pushing for change, if he wants Anthony I firmly believe he'd be an upgrade over Love with James driving him.

If they can get Jennings for a backup, even better.

Irving
Korver
James
Anthony
Thompson

Having 2 of Irving/Korver/Anthony wide open with James running point forward in the playoffs? Wow.

Anthony's ISO game could actually be useful in the playoffs when James is on the bench.

[Meliorus]

I'm watching this Hawks vs. Knicks game and thinking, wow Carmelo is straight garbage. His shot was going in the first half (identical to our game), and now chucking/turning the ball over in the 4th quarter. This dude takes shots I've never seen anybody attempt.

Edit: This guy just shot a fade-away jumper with 2 defenders draped all over him with a wide open teammate on the 3 point line. Airball.

[TGW]

Carmelo is nowhere close to being as good as Love.

[Dat2U]

Knicks fans seem to think they won't even get one first rounder for Melo. It's definitely something to consider

Unfortunately with his trade kicker he'll be making 29 million a year for the next 2 years. Ouch!

James has been pushing for change, if he wants Anthony I firmly believe he'd be an upgrade over Love with James driving him.

If they can get Jennings for a backup, even better.

Irving
Korver
James
Anthony
Thompson

Having 2 of Irving/Korver/Anthony wide open with James running point forward in the playoffs? Wow.

Anthony's ISO game could actually be useful in the playoffs when James is on the bench.

As a Wizards fan I hope the Cavs make that trade. Love is a much better rebounder & team defender and far more efficient. The Cavs become more one dimensional by adding Melo. A team of ISO scorers and mainly non-defenders. They would have trouble stopping anyone and getting defensive rebounds if they do. They may still have enough to win the East but GSW would run through them in the Finals, although that will likely happen anyways.

As for Melo, all this hype about him being an ISO player is silly because he creates the worse type of shot, a contested long range 2. He hardly ever creates off the bounce to get to the rim anymore.

I don't think LeBron was pushing for a Love for Melo deal anyways. He's been pushing for a backup PG replacement for Delladedova since last summer that Cavs management never addressed.

[Kanyewest]

I'm watching this Hawks vs. Knicks game and thinking, wow Carmelo is straight garbage. His shot was going in the first half (identical to our game), and now chucking/turning the ball over in the 4th quarter. This dude takes shots I've never seen anybody attempt.

Edit: This guy just shot a fade-away jumper with 2 defenders draped all over him with a wide open teammate on the 3 point line. Airball.

[deneem4]

Il give Detroit Nicholson and 2017 1st for morris...
And la Lakers burke Thorton 2019 1st for lou...

I think this makes us complete and the a dangerous threat to Cleveland when Mahinmi comes back

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...But, remember, my point was to try to solve the problem you mentioned: the salary/cap bind we're in.

...I desperately want an upgrade over Gortat/Morris but don't see an immediate option available. We can rule out Noel now. He'll cost too much next off-season to keep him and Otto. The worst part about last off-season, we now can't take on any salary because of Porter's impending deal and it pushing us to the lux tax. Any deal we make has to be salary neutral or save us some money.

Beal has become too valuable to trade for lesser pieces. At 23, he even has room to grow further. He's been a huge part of our recent success...

I agree. But Noel too has room to grow, & the rest of the trade was also young guys.

I don't want to trade Beal -- not my point. Question is how important is it to solve the problem you mentioned? Plus, will we be unwilling to max Porter? I.e. will the problem cost us Otto Porter -- for whom presumably nothing would come back? In that case, I would much rather trade Beal for Noel, Holmes, McConnell & even a mid-R1 pick than keep Beal & lose Porter as a FA.

[TGW]

Il give Detroit Nicholson and 2017 1st for morris...
And la Lakers burke Thorton 2019 1st for lou...

I think this makes us complete and the a dangerous threat to Cleveland when Mahinmi comes back

Stay away from the trade checker.

[payitforward]

Did you really say he's far from a problem child. All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page for a long list of problems he's had - and it doesn't even mention the fights he had with teammates. And he got a huge payoff for quitting on the Bucks. He's been the definition of a problem child.

And again, He had all of one half season that he was good in the NBA - and that got him the big mult-year contract that he quit on. He ain't worth it - even for the veteran minimum. This is a guy who said he didn't want to play basketball anymore. What's going to happen when he goes through a rough spell? That shouldn't be our problem.

All that you say makes sense, Ruz. But... he would cost us next to nothing, & of course he'd be put on a very short chain.

For sure, if no one signs him for the season, I wouldn't hesitate to give him a 10-day contract, give him a chance to earn a spot. I think you'd find out pretty quickly where he was at really.

[Ruzious]

Did you really say he's far from a problem child. All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia page for a long list of problems he's had - and it doesn't even mention the fights he had with teammates. And he got a huge payoff for quitting on the Bucks. He's been the definition of a problem child.

And again, He had all of one half season that he was good in the NBA - and that got him the big mult-year contract that he quit on. He ain't worth it - even for the veteran minimum. This is a guy who said he didn't want to play basketball anymore. What's going to happen when he goes through a rough spell? That shouldn't be our problem.

All that you say makes sense, Ruz. But... he would cost us next to nothing, & of course he'd be put on a very short chain.

For sure, if no one signs him for the season, I wouldn't hesitate to give him a 10-day contract, give him a chance to earn a spot. I think you'd find out pretty quickly where he was at really.

I wouldn't take the chance of him having even the slightest influence on Oubre or any of the other young players. I think John Henson would have developed into a much better player if he hadn't played with Sanders.

[Meliorus]

...But, remember, my point was to try to solve the problem you mentioned: the salary/cap bind we're in.

Beal has become too valuable to trade for lesser pieces. At 23, he even has room to grow further. He's been a huge part of our recent success...

I agree. But Noel too has room to grow, & the rest of the trade was also young guys.

I don't want to trade Beal -- not my point. Question is how important is it to solve the problem you mentioned? Plus, will we be unwilling to max Porter? I.e. will the problem cost us Otto Porter -- for whom presumably nothing would come back? In that case, I would much rather trade Beal for Noel, Holmes, McConnell & even a mid-R1 pick than keep Beal & lose Porter as a FA.

Isn't it fair to say that there is a 100% chance that we give Otto the max? This isn't December anymore, it's February and the Wiz are 27-20.

[Ruzious]

Knicks fans seem to think they won't even get one first rounder for Melo. It's definitely something to consider

Unfortunately with his trade kicker he'll be making 29 million a year for the next 2 years. Ouch!

James has been pushing for change, if he wants Anthony I firmly believe he'd be an upgrade over Love with James driving him.

If they can get Jennings for a backup, even better.

Irving
Korver
James
Anthony
Thompson

Having 2 of Irving/Korver/Anthony wide open with James running point forward in the playoffs? Wow.

Anthony's ISO game could actually be useful in the playoffs when James is on the bench.

As a Wizards fan I hope the Cavs make that trade. Love is a much better rebounder & team defender and far more efficient. The Cavs become more one dimensional by adding Melo. A team of ISO scorers and mainly non-defenders. They would have trouble stopping anyone and getting defensive rebounds if they do. They may still have enough to win the East but GSW would run through them in the Finals, although that will likely happen anyways.

As for Melo, all this hype about him being an ISO player is silly because he creates the worse type of shot, a contested long range 2. He hardly ever creates off the bounce to get to the rim anymore.

I don't think LeBron was pushing for a Love for Melo deal anyways. He's been pushing for a backup PG replacement for Delladedova since last summer that Cavs management never addressed.

Yeah, Jalen Rose has been very vocal about the benefits for Cleve of trading Love for Melo, but I don't get why - since Cleveland would then be too much (imo) of an ISO team. The trend in the NBA is to go AWAY from iso - because GS and SA were the model passing teams. Cleveland showed you can win with iso, but Love's shooting as a big opens up the middle for both Lebron and Kyrie to drive. Melo - being mainly a mid-range iso shooter who doesn't pass - isn't going to help Lebron and Kyrie. What he can do is make Cleve feel easier about giving Lebron and Kyrie rests during the game - but come playoff time - having a better team is more important than making sure you can give rests to lebron and Kyrie.

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You've pointed out that we'd never be able to deal Mahinmi now (& who knows when?).

PIF let me ask you a question bro.
I mentioned a Mello tade a few pages back.
Mahinmi, nicholson, and burke, 3 unprotected firsts and 2 seconds for mello.
That's 5 picks. yes I know. But Adding mello and no talent net loss, since mahinmi has not played and nicholson and burke are basically net negatives or neutrals. Is a pure 100 percent gain talent wise, if mello buys in to the john wall style of play and we can keep his minutes down by playing morris off the bench, while dumping Mahinmi and Nicholson, and still having the ability to max Otto. is that worth it? Thats a huge gain and addition by subtraction? Because with nicholson and mahinmi basically being what mellos contract it and the cap going up a little more, we will be in the same cap situation with a much better team.

I've been off a few days -- late getting to this, sorry.

The only plus in a swap of Mahinmi/Nicholson for Melo is shortening the salary load. Otherwise, his value isn't anywhere what his salary is. He's nowhere near the player he was at his peak, and even at his peak, good as he was, he was overrated -- high point scorers always are. As to giving up 3 unprotected R1 picks & 2 R2 picks, sorry man I think that's crazy.

[AFM]

You've pointed out that we'd never be able to deal Mahinmi now (& who knows when?).

PIF let me ask you a question bro.
I mentioned a Mello tade a few pages back.
Mahinmi, nicholson, and burke, 3 unprotected firsts and 2 seconds for mello.
That's 5 picks. yes I know. But Adding mello and no talent net loss, since mahinmi has not played and nicholson and burke are basically net negatives or neutrals. Is a pure 100 percent gain talent wise, if mello buys in to the john wall style of play and we can keep his minutes down by playing morris off the bench, while dumping Mahinmi and Nicholson, and still having the ability to max Otto. is that worth it? Thats a huge gain and addition by subtraction? Because with nicholson and mahinmi basically being what mellos contract it and the cap going up a little more, we will be in the same cap situation with a much better team.

I've been off a few days -- late getting to this, sorry.

The only plus in a swap of Mahinmi/Nicholson for Melo is shortening the salary load. Otherwise, his value isn't anywhere what his salary is. He's nowhere near the player he was at his peak, and even at his peak, good as he was, he was overrated -- high point scorers always are. As to giving up 3 unprotected R1 picks & 2 R2 picks, sorry man I think that's crazy.

Get rid of the R1 picks and I'm interested.

[payitforward]

Il give Detroit Nicholson and 2017 1st for morris...
And la Lakers burke Thorton 2019 1st for lou...

I think this makes us complete and the a dangerous threat to Cleveland when Mahinmi comes back

OMG...

[payitforward]

Beal has become too valuable to trade for lesser pieces. At 23, he even has room to grow further. He's been a huge part of our recent success...

I agree. But Noel too has room to grow, & the rest of the trade was also young guys.

I don't want to trade Beal -- not my point. Question is how important is it to solve the problem you mentioned? Plus, will we be unwilling to max Porter? I.e. will the problem cost us Otto Porter -- for whom presumably nothing would come back? In that case, I would much rather trade Beal for Noel, Holmes, McConnell & even a mid-R1 pick than keep Beal & lose Porter as a FA.

Isn't it fair to say that there is a 100% chance that we give Otto the max? This isn't December anymore, it's February and the Wiz are 27-20.

You'd think so! But our salary load might make Ted think differently -- at least that's my concern. Hope there's no need for it.

[NatP4]

Il give Detroit Nicholson and 2017 1st for morris...
And la Lakers burke Thorton 2019 1st for lou...

I think this makes us complete and the a dangerous threat to Cleveland when Mahinmi comes back

OMG...

Don't read this Ernie. A 2017 first for Marcus Morris? Never.

We do need a good scoring guard that can handle the ball but also shoot 3s, but the only way you give up a 1st is if that player is under contract for awhile and super young with potential(Jamal Murray etc...) combo guards that play no defense and just chuck shots are useless in the playoffs by the way. Tyreke Evans over Lou Williams any day, but not for a 1st rounder probably.

Nicholson and Burke for B Knight straight up

Nicholson Burke and a 2nd for Tyreke rental

Nicholson Burke and a 1st for Jordan Clarkson

Nicholson and a 2nd for Alec Burks

Thornton and a 2nd for THJ

Nicholson Burke Smith and a 1st for Goran Dragic

[Rafael122]

The only way I would get involved in the Anthony trade saga is if we're the third team and pick up Redick from the Clippers.

Clippers get: Anthony
Knicks get: Crawford, Rivers, Nicholson
Wizards get: Redick

Redick immediately improves our bench and is on an expiring contract, so that gives us a little bit of breathing room when it comes to the offseason.

Clippers shed about $40 million in salary and get Anthony. Even with the trade kicker, they still save about $11 million.

New York gets rid of Anthony but they're still in quasi cap hell b/c they get no cap relief.