Doug_Blew wrote:Doug_Blew wrote:nate33 wrote:
http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-HouseholdsAs I understand it, illegal immigrants have difficultly getting direct cash assistance, but they have limited eligibility for food stamps, and medicaid. Furthermore, their children are benefiting from the education infrastructure built here by U.S. taxpayers. There's also road and utility infrastructure expenses.
This is not 1890. You can't be very productive with just a strong back and a good work ethic. And there is a massive social safety net providing huge benefits to people. Our immigration policy should reflect this reality.
Basically, it's only those with a college degree who are paying their own way. People with no degree are almost always a burden to society. This is not their fault. Not everyone is blessed with the necessary IQ and reasoning skills to make it through college and get employed in a productive field. I've got no problems with society trying to help out those that need an extra hand. But we don't need to import even more people that are almost certain to be a burden on society. That's insanity.
Thanks for the link Nate. It looks like the majority of the illegals get their benefits from their US Born children.
From the link...
Finally, it must be remembered that illegal immigrant households without children accessing these programs comprise only 14 percent of all illegal households receiving welfare benefits. Most of those are through fraud, living with a green card holder or a pregnant woman.
Basically, the table Nate pasted in doesn't show what he'd like it to show & doesn't hold water anyway.
As to:
"This is not 1890. You can't be very productive with just a strong back and a good work ethic. And there is a massive social safety net providing huge benefits to people. Our immigration policy should reflect this reality."
Nice! I think it was just demonstrated that illegal immigrants do not get much benefit from the "massive social safety net." Moreover, you certainly can be productive with a strong back and a good work ethic. There is *a lot* of work that needs doing and requires just those characteristics. Hence an immigration policy along the lines nate would like would reflect not reality but nate's really mind-blowing set of prejudices!
"Not everyone is blessed with the necessary IQ and reasoning skills to make it through college and get employed in a productive field." This is what might look like an ordinary statement but is really ugly. The disaffected white workers whose cause nate seems to feel aligned with & whose resentment gave us the current jackass Presidnyet, wouldn't like to be described as lacking "necessary IQ and reasoning skills."
TBH, tho I don't question your IQ, nate, I don't think your reasoning skills amount to much. I.e. other than as a simple tool employed to justify a broad, uncriticized range of prejudices reflecting no reality w/ which I am acquainted.
