Charlotte Hornets History Thread

[LamarMatic7]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18327785/muggsy-bogues-tracy-mcgrady-first-candidates-basketball-hall-fame

Muggsy is up for the HOF. Is he deserving? Should the HOF be only about stats/wins? Or is there a place for the pioneers and "freaks" of the league that did the impossible?

I talked with @BaselineBuzz on Twitter about this today. He believes that Muggsy could be a first ballot HoFer. And while I got his point, what I wonder about then is where's the cut-off point. Is it the fact that he is THE shortest? Spud Webb was a couple of inches taller, just as good and also has a famous win in the dunk contest to his name. That's gimmicky enough for him to be considered as well, right?

Truth be told, I wouldn't have even ever thought that he is a possible candidate and ultimately I don't think he should be in the HoF as it is presently constituted. He wasn't even close to being an All-Star level player. I'm not sure how I'd feel about someone like that making it.

However, to return to something Simmons wrote in his book, I would agree with him having a place there if the HoF was just completely revamped and there were categories for pioneers, the greatest role players, the guys who are unique and noteworthy for some particular factoid, etc. Because Muggsy of course does have a footnote in the story of the NBA's history. I can't take anything away from that and the fact that what he did on the court was amazing.

[fatlever]

The Simmons pyramid would definitely have a spot for Muggsy. Agree, not sure if being the shortest is otherwise enough to get in.

[BigSlam]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18327785/muggsy-bogues-tracy-mcgrady-first-candidates-basketball-hall-fame

Muggsy is up for the HOF. Is he deserving? Should the HOF be only about stats/wins? Or is there a place for the pioneers and "freaks" of the league that did the impossible?

I think it should be based on people who have impacted the game in a significant and meaningful way.

Bogues is iconic and deserves a spot IMO.


"BBMF'ers"

[fatlever]

I think the Hornets should retire his jersey number, along with Dell's.

[LamarMatic7]

Fats probably knew it since he did the write-up on our franchise records back in the day, but Eric Collins really surprised me on last night's broadcast with the Vlade Divac gem. Who would have known that he had a 12-block game!? Moreover, it came against the Nets for whom Shawn Bradley had only 1 block. Such a bizzaro game.

Here are all 8+ block games in franchise history:
http://bkref.com/tiny/TnHqR

[HornetJail]

Fats probably knew it since he did the write-up on our franchise records back in the day, but Eric Collins really surprised me on last night's broadcast with the Vlade Divac gem. Who would have known that he had a 12-block game!? Moreover, it came against the Nets for whom Shawn Bradley had only 1 block. Such a bizzaro game.

Here are all 8+ block games in franchise history:
http://bkref.com/tiny/TnHqR

damn... both the 10+ block games in franchise history finished a rebound short of a triple-double

[Hornet Mania]

I was also surprised to see Muggsy get nominated. It's hard to argue his case based strictly on basketball ability (lots of better PGs, and one who've been better for longer, who have no shot) but he definitely is among the most memorable players of his era for the David among Goliaths aspect.

I hope he gets in just for the hell of it. I'd also like to co-sign the idea to retire both Muggsy and Dell's jerseys regardless of whether either makes the Hall of Fame. Original Hornets, fantastic community ambassadors, and solid players throughout their tenure here. If we were the Lakers or something they most likely wouldn't be considered, but then again, the Celtics have something like fifty random role players with retired jerseys just because they played with Russell.

[yosemiteben]

Basketball Reference ‏@bball_ref 3h3 hours ago
The @spurs are on pace for the 3rd best 3-point shooting season ever, behind the 96-97 #Hornets and last year's #Warriors

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WTF the Hornets had a season with the best 3PT% of all time? Really? And it's by a pretty hefty margin.

[fatlever]

I honestly did not know that team had the record for best 3PT%. Rice was insane that year though and shorter 3PT line helped a ton.

Rice shot 47% on 5+ attempts.

[fatlever]

Also from that year, Ricky Pierce shot 53.6% on 2.1 attempts, Delk shot 46.7% on 1.8 attempts, Goldwire shot 43.9% on 2.5 attempts, Curry shot 42.6 on 4.4 attempts.

[fatlever]

Hell, even Muggsy **** Bogues shot 41.7% on 2.2 attempts.

[LamarMatic7]

Also something about 96-97 - Matt Geiger had a random year where he took 20 threes and made 6!

I wonder whether someone in the front office (ABA alum Bob Bass?) was encouraging those late 90s teams to take more threes. When I had Chucky Brown on the podcast I asked him about this since he went 15/40 in 98-99 for the Hornets (took only occasional threes in every other season of his career). He said that the explanation was him improving during his career and becoming comfortable of taking them.

Then again.. he never really took them again afterwards.

[LamarMatic7]

saw our old friend.

[LamarMatic7]

Stephen Jackson was on Rapaport's podcast recently. Though there can be too much of Rapaport, I give his pods with NBA guests a listen. Last year he had episodes with Windhorst and Amin that allowed both of them to tell more about themselves and the life of an NBA analyst. It was some good stuff.

Anyway, Jack might have confirmed the theory this board has about his game against the Clippers, known as the "Drunk Game". He brought it up himself that he would smoke weed before games and the results of that varied. Sometimes it ended in him getting benched quite early after throwing up some really ugly jumpers.

So... who knows? That might have just been the case.

[LamarMatic7]

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, this is the boxscore of that infamous game:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002220LAC.html

[fatlever]

Nice work Lamar. We'll have to rename that the Jackson "Stoned" Game.

Any chance there is a video edit of Jackson's performance in that game?

[LamarMatic7]

Nice work Lamar. We'll have to rename that the Jackson "Stoned" Game.

Any chance there is a video edit of Jackson's performance in that game?

I recently crossed paths with this one collector who has an amazing amount of late 00s stuff. You typically see guys archiving 90s or 80s, not that era. Had a lot of games from 2009-10, but, unfortunately, not this one.

So I'm forever looking. When saying that I'm probably the only one who'll bother making a video edit of that performance, I don't know whether I'm being arrogant or if that shows how much time I waste on silly stuff like that

[LamarMatic7]

Went back to that game thread to see the reaction you guys had. Some funny stuff..

is jackson drunk?

what was the worst quarter ive ever seen him play.

It's almost like he is just goofing around with Baron and can't concentrate on the game or something.

lets take a second to reflect on the quarter jax just had

0-6, 3 turnovers, 4 times getting blocked.

i dont even know what to say.

These jerks keep hitting shots with a hand in their face.

I don't know who pissed in Jack's cheerios tonight, but he is horrible tonight.

Have the Bobcats been in LA long enough for Jax and Davis to get on the sauce?

Jesus Christ Jackson.

STOP SHOOTING THE MOTHER **** BALL.

6 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks - usually a line like that is enough for a player to get lots of props........ except when they go 1 for 15 and have 5 turnovers.

Seriously - has Stephen Jackson been drinking?

thank you jackson. 100% your fault.

Link to topic:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=989948#start_here

[fatlever]

The list of all the players in franchise history who have competed in the 3PT contest while playing for our franchise.

Scott Burrell 1995
Dell Curry 1992, 1994
Glen Rice 1996, 1997, 1998
Kemba Walker 2017

[LamarMatic7]

The list of all the players in franchise history who have competed in the 3PT contest while playing for our franchise.

Scott Burrell 1995
Dell Curry 1992, 1994
Glen Rice 1996, 1997, 1998
Kemba Walker 2017

I once had this idea for an article that ultimately got left on the cutting room floor. The Horncats were, I think, the second or third least represented team in All-Star weekends. Wallace mailing it in in the dunk contest, some Rising Stars appearances for guys like Emeka Okafor, but nothing much else.

Cool to see Kemba getting a chance.