Game 47: Pistons (21-25) @ Heat (17-30) - 7:30 PM EST

[Blkbrd671]

What pisses me off about this game is you look at Dre's effort and focus(for most part) and wonder "WHERE THE F* THIS BEEN ALL SEASON!?". The optimist in me hopes that it has to do with the fact that they are young and that mentality game in and game out is something you have to develop and comes with maturity, but the realist in me says, how often do guys that are already getting paid $20 mil have any incentive to improve?

I found it absolutely hilarious that Kesler mentioned how Dre may feel like he got snubbed at the all star game. I hope he was speculating because if Dre thinks he's a allstar because he can catch a lob or make more hook shots, he needs to GTFO.

As far as RJ, he actually played really well and again what pisses me off is , Where the F* this been all season. One noticable thing is that it didn't take him 7.5 seconds to cross half court and all our players were running or moving with pace to the ball, and it all started with RJ but it still wasn't good enough.

SVG is also to blame for this loss, Waiters was absolutely destroying KCP(who looks like last years player since injury) and yet he stuck with KCP. While i get SJ hasn't really earned the trust, we are f* 21-25, everythign should be on the table at this point and "who ever gets the job done". ( I realize i am somewhat contradicting myself from last game).

[Pharaoh]

What pisses me off about this game is you look at Dre's effort and focus(for most part) and wonder "WHERE THE F* THIS BEEN ALL SEASON!?". The optimist in me hopes that it has to do with the fact that they are young and that mentality game in and game out is something you have to develop and comes with maturity, but the realist in me says, how often do guys that are already getting paid $20 mil have any incentive to improve?

I found it absolutely hilarious that Kesler mentioned how Dre may feel like he got snubbed at the all star game. I hope he was speculating because if Dre thinks he's a allstar because he can catch a lob or make more hook shots, he needs to GTFO.

As far as RJ, he actually played really well and again what pisses me off is , Where the F* this been all season. One noticable thing is that it didn't take him 7.5 seconds to cross half court and all our players were running or moving with pace to the ball, and it all started with RJ but it still wasn't good enough.

SVG is also to blame for this loss, Waiters was absolutely destroying KCP(who looks like last years player since injury) and yet he stuck with KCP. While i get SJ hasn't really earned the trust, we are f* 21-25, everythign should be on the table at this point and "who ever gets the job done". ( I realize i am somewhat contradicting myself from last game).

Thanks for the bold mate - and if I didn't do it you woulda thought there was something wrong with me



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[Pharaoh]

I personally see Drummond's defensive flaws are a bigger issue than Jackson's. Point guards are going to get in paint...especially in this day of not being able to breathe on anyone. Great teams have proper help side/secondary defense and unfortunately, that puts a big responsibility on Dre. He doesn't protect the rim, he's constantly out of position....I think he's the biggest issue there. Very rarely in this league will your best offensive player be your best defensive player and the load that Jackson is expected to carry especially in the fourth quarter.....he's not going to be a Lindsey Hunter defensively.

His offensive game is what it is.... its not like he's changed since giving him $80M. He's doing what we paid him $80M to do. I would find more fault in his "hero ball" as you guys like to call if, if we actually consistently had someone else step up and emerge as #2 & #3 options. Dre isn't it. Most of the time he doesnt even look like he wants the ball. Marcus and Tobias simply just aren't consistent enough. So that leads to coach calling Jackson's number a lot in the 4th.

1 - I don't wanna rip the team apart

2 - I believe playing SJ more is not tanking since he's locked in while Bullock & Baynes aren't likely to be here next season

3 - RJ...WTF? I don't expect him to be a great defender but I do expect him to at least bring the effort every night on that end.

If he's so concerned about saving his energy for the 4th quarter than dude needs to give up the ball more so KCP isn't marginalized like he has been most of the time when they're on the floor together

IF you believe that the KCP we saw pre-injury is the KCP we're gonna have long term then RJ needs to go - or get with the program!

Right now their games don't mesh well

4 - Dre...WTF? Can't expect him to cover up the penetration and get every rebound which is how he constantly finds himself in no man's land!

Maybe Jon Boy being back will assist but IMO we need to do a better job of stopping penetration first before we trash Dre on D

As for his offensive game - if we don't at least attempt to develop it we're not gonna be a contender at all so it's a 2 edged sword: suffer now to benefit later...assuming he develops


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[El Chivo]

For example RJ and KCP have no chemistry, even if they play together since 2015.

Things like this you can't fix with patience.

[Pharaoh]

For example RJ and KCP have no chemistry, even if they play together since 2015.

Things like this you can't fix with patience.

It's because KCP had improved his handles enough to get more opportunity with ball in hand...but RJ is too busy pounding the air outta the ball.

In today's game with such sophisticated defenses we gotta get away from the iso/PnR system

Implement motion, let guys drive and kick as much as they want, have movement off the ball to engage defenders...

We have enough offensive punch to keep the D honest and enough mid range shooters to make them pay for over-committing...

Which brings us back to our defensive issues - teams are doing this to us! They penetrate, kick it out, swing it round, drive and kick some more then hit 3s or mid range jumpers or get to the rim

We're so out of position that we're giving it up everywhere - though I'm sure stats would say otherwise

It's frustrating to watch when talent isn't the problem - commitment to the team is

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[DTP]

I personally see Drummond's defensive flaws are a bigger issue than Jackson's. Point guards are going to get in paint...especially in this day of not being able to breathe on anyone. Great teams have proper help side/secondary defense and unfortunately, that puts a big responsibility on Dre. He doesn't protect the rim, he's constantly out of position....I think he's the biggest issue there. Very rarely in this league will your best offensive player be your best defensive player and the load that Jackson is expected to carry especially in the fourth quarter.....he's not going to be a Lindsey Hunter defensively.

His offensive game is what it is.... its not like he's changed since giving him $80M. He's doing what we paid him $80M to do. I would find more fault in his "hero ball" as you guys like to call if, if we actually consistently had someone else step up and emerge as #2 & #3 options. Dre isn't it. Most of the time he doesnt even look like he wants the ball. Marcus and Tobias simply just aren't consistent enough. So that leads to coach calling Jackson's number a lot in the 4th.

1 - I don't wanna rip the team apart

2 - I believe playing SJ more is not tanking since he's locked in while Bullock & Baynes aren't likely to be here next season

3 - RJ...WTF? I don't expect him to be a great defender but I do expect him to at least bring the effort every night on that end.

If he's so concerned about saving his energy for the 4th quarter than dude needs to give up the ball more so KCP isn't marginalized like he has been most of the time when they're on the floor together

IF you believe that the KCP we saw pre-injury is the KCP we're gonna have long term then RJ needs to go - or get with the program!

Right now their games don't mesh well

4 - Dre...WTF? Can't expect him to cover up the penetration and get every rebound which is how he constantly finds himself in no man's land!

Maybe Jon Boy being back will assist but IMO we need to do a better job of stopping penetration first before we trash Dre on D

As for his offensive game - if we don't at least attempt to develop it we're not gonna be a contender at all so it's a 2 edged sword: suffer now to benefit later...assuming he develops


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You know what...you're right, you have Dre that's more concerned about getting rebounds then actually getting stops and protecting the rim, which is why he's so bad at it. SVG has called Dre out multiple times of how poor he is at protecting the rim and how it important it is for the team for him to do so. We have other guys that help rebound....we don't have other guys that can effectively protect the rim though. You think Chauncey and Rip were fantastic defenders all their careers? You don't think they were bailed out tons and tons of time by Ben and Sheed? In this league, you ain't shutting down the penetration of guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Walker, Lillard, Rose by yourself. Its about secondary defense my friend. Its about protecting the rim. Andre just sucks at it.

Just watching the game last night of Cleveland/OKC and seeing how great Tristan was.....if Andre could do that, he'd definitely be an all-star.

[hoophabit]

I personally see Drummond's defensive flaws are a bigger issue than Jackson's. Point guards are going to get in paint...especially in this day of not being able to breathe on anyone. Great teams have proper help side/secondary defense and unfortunately, that puts a big responsibility on Dre. He doesn't protect the rim, he's constantly out of position....I think he's the biggest issue there. Very rarely in this league will your best offensive player be your best defensive player and the load that Jackson is expected to carry especially in the fourth quarter.....he's not going to be a Lindsey Hunter defensively.

His offensive game is what it is.... its not like he's changed since giving him $80M. He's doing what we paid him $80M to do. I would find more fault in his "hero ball" as you guys like to call if, if we actually consistently had someone else step up and emerge as #2 & #3 options. Dre isn't it. Most of the time he doesnt even look like he wants the ball. Marcus and Tobias simply just aren't consistent enough. So that leads to coach calling Jackson's number a lot in the 4th.

1 - I don't wanna rip the team apart

2 - I believe playing SJ more is not tanking since he's locked in while Bullock & Baynes aren't likely to be here next season

3 - RJ...WTF? I don't expect him to be a great defender but I do expect him to at least bring the effort every night on that end.

If he's so concerned about saving his energy for the 4th quarter than dude needs to give up the ball more so KCP isn't marginalized like he has been most of the time when they're on the floor together

IF you believe that the KCP we saw pre-injury is the KCP we're gonna have long term then RJ needs to go - or get with the program!

Right now their games don't mesh well

4 - Dre...WTF? Can't expect him to cover up the penetration and get every rebound which is how he constantly finds himself in no man's land!

Maybe Jon Boy being back will assist but IMO we need to do a better job of stopping penetration first before we trash Dre on D

As for his offensive game - if we don't at least attempt to develop it we're not gonna be a contender at all so it's a 2 edged sword: suffer now to benefit later...assuming he develops


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You know what...you're right, you have Dre that's more concerned about getting rebounds then actually getting stops and protecting the rim, which is why he's so bad at it. SVG has called Dre out multiple times of how poor he is at protecting the rim and how it important it is for the team for him to do so. We have other guys that help rebound....we don't have other guys that can effectively protect the rim though. You think Chauncey and Rip were fantastic defenders all their careers? You don't think they were bailed out tons and tons of time by Ben and Sheed? In this league, you ain't shutting down the penetration of guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Walker, Lillard, Rose by yourself. Its about secondary defense my friend. Its about protecting the rim. Andre just sucks at it.

Just watching the game last night of Cleveland/OKC and seeing how great Tristan was.....if Andre could do that, he'd definitely be an all-star.

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

[mojosodope]

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

Actually, Harris, Morris and Leuer were all better rebounders when playing on other teams.

[Canadafan]

1 - I don't wanna rip the team apart

2 - I believe playing SJ more is not tanking since he's locked in while Bullock & Baynes aren't likely to be here next season

3 - RJ...WTF? I don't expect him to be a great defender but I do expect him to at least bring the effort every night on that end.

If he's so concerned about saving his energy for the 4th quarter than dude needs to give up the ball more so KCP isn't marginalized like he has been most of the time when they're on the floor together

IF you believe that the KCP we saw pre-injury is the KCP we're gonna have long term then RJ needs to go - or get with the program!

Right now their games don't mesh well

4 - Dre...WTF? Can't expect him to cover up the penetration and get every rebound which is how he constantly finds himself in no man's land!

Maybe Jon Boy being back will assist but IMO we need to do a better job of stopping penetration first before we trash Dre on D

As for his offensive game - if we don't at least attempt to develop it we're not gonna be a contender at all so it's a 2 edged sword: suffer now to benefit later...assuming he develops


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You know what...you're right, you have Dre that's more concerned about getting rebounds then actually getting stops and protecting the rim, which is why he's so bad at it. SVG has called Dre out multiple times of how poor he is at protecting the rim and how it important it is for the team for him to do so. We have other guys that help rebound....we don't have other guys that can effectively protect the rim though. You think Chauncey and Rip were fantastic defenders all their careers? You don't think they were bailed out tons and tons of time by Ben and Sheed? In this league, you ain't shutting down the penetration of guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Walker, Lillard, Rose by yourself. Its about secondary defense my friend. Its about protecting the rim. Andre just sucks at it.

Just watching the game last night of Cleveland/OKC and seeing how great Tristan was.....if Andre could do that, he'd definitely be an all-star.

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

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[Manocad]

There was a Pistons game?

[DTP]

1 - I don't wanna rip the team apart

2 - I believe playing SJ more is not tanking since he's locked in while Bullock & Baynes aren't likely to be here next season

3 - RJ...WTF? I don't expect him to be a great defender but I do expect him to at least bring the effort every night on that end.

If he's so concerned about saving his energy for the 4th quarter than dude needs to give up the ball more so KCP isn't marginalized like he has been most of the time when they're on the floor together

IF you believe that the KCP we saw pre-injury is the KCP we're gonna have long term then RJ needs to go - or get with the program!

Right now their games don't mesh well

4 - Dre...WTF? Can't expect him to cover up the penetration and get every rebound which is how he constantly finds himself in no man's land!

Maybe Jon Boy being back will assist but IMO we need to do a better job of stopping penetration first before we trash Dre on D

As for his offensive game - if we don't at least attempt to develop it we're not gonna be a contender at all so it's a 2 edged sword: suffer now to benefit later...assuming he develops


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You know what...you're right, you have Dre that's more concerned about getting rebounds then actually getting stops and protecting the rim, which is why he's so bad at it. SVG has called Dre out multiple times of how poor he is at protecting the rim and how it important it is for the team for him to do so. We have other guys that help rebound....we don't have other guys that can effectively protect the rim though. You think Chauncey and Rip were fantastic defenders all their careers? You don't think they were bailed out tons and tons of time by Ben and Sheed? In this league, you ain't shutting down the penetration of guys like Kyrie, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Walker, Lillard, Rose by yourself. Its about secondary defense my friend. Its about protecting the rim. Andre just sucks at it.

Just watching the game last night of Cleveland/OKC and seeing how great Tristan was.....if Andre could do that, he'd definitely be an all-star.

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

I can agree with the last line. I think it starts with Dre though. When he's focused and dialed in, he's pretty good.

[Pharaoh]

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

Actually, Harris, Morris and Leuer were all better rebounders when playing on other teams.

Which suggests it's a system/SVG issue!

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[mattao313]

I'd like to know who these "other guys who help rebound" might be? Neither Harris or Morris are particularly good rebounders. On any consistent basis we have one good rebounder. The other side of this coin is defensive rotation when Dre goes for the block. SVG says we need better rim protection from Dre, but he also says people need to do a better job of rotating to his man in those situations. Playing like a team is the Pistons big problem IMO.

Actually, Harris, Morris and Leuer were all better rebounders when playing on other teams.

Which suggests it's a system/SVG issue!

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It more they let him just get the rebounds, we are a better rebounding team with him off the floor.