Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

[jcsunsfan]

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Does that mean drunk?

[kennydorglas]

Yeah, good luck with Jahlil.

[Zelaznyrules]

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It's no surprise that Okafor isn't in game shape and not just because he's collected a bunch of DNP's over the past 8 weeks. I watch them often and I can't help but notice almost every time they show him on the sidelines he's shoveling snacks into his mouth like there's no tomorrow.

I'd still take him for Knight if that was on the table (and Noel wasn't). Rookie contract, new scenery. Nothing to lose. Especially when he'd be taken under the wing of Chandler

This is just a make believe number but I'd guess there's maybe a 10% chance that Okafor ends up being a decent player. So yeah, I'd make that trade too. In a heartbeat. I'd do it even if a straight up Noel for Knight deal was also available.

If Noel was healthy, I'd love to have Nerlens as a backup. But I wouldn't count on those knees and I highly doubt our front office would either so a trade for him would be for just this season. And the last thing I'd want is to add someone who makes us better in the short term but does absolutely nothing for our future.

[gaspar]

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[Bogyo]

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Just wanted to quote this. Wonder what happened, and wish we had an open roster spot.

[Saberestar]

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Just wanted to quote this. Wonder what happened, and wish we had an open roster spot.

Strange, it has to be about his personality. He was playing great basketball at the beginning of the season and he is earning less than $1M...really strange.

[Villalobos]

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Just wanted to quote this. Wonder what happened, and wish we had an open roster spot.

Strange, it has to be about his personality. He was playing great basketball at the beginning of the season and he is earning less than $1M...really strange.

Chandler Parsons started playing again. And they still have Vince Carter and James Ennis who are both better/more experienced than him. And their guard situation besides Conley is not great.

[bwgood77]

Bled for Nurkic, Hernangomez, and their 1st? Maybe a 2nd as well? How much can we get for Bled without sending him to a terrible team (i.e., fleecing the Kings or something)? Maybe we can try and move Len to a third team?

I'd rather keep Len over Nurkic. I'd do Bled for Barton (perfect backup for Booker), Hernangomez, and their 1st this year. I like Bled enough to keep, but yes, he deserves to play for a playoff team in his prime and not sure I want to pay him $30 million a year in 2019 when he is 29.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd do Bled for Barton (perfect backup for Booker), Hernangomez, and their 1st this year. I like Bled enough to keep, but yes, he deserves to play for a playoff team in his prime and not sure I want to pay him $30 million a year in 2019 when he is 29.

Whoa! And someone recently accused me of wanting to give Bled away for peanuts!

I've come around to the view that the Nugs would be a good landing spot for Bled. But (a) Nurkic is a bad fit, (b) Hernangomez is a worse fit, and (c) Murray is a bad fit. Mudiay's value is awful at this point. They may not want to give up Harris, whom I think would be a better fit for us. The vets (Barton, Chandler) we don't need, given where we are as a franchise. So the Nuggets would have to get creative. I'd want not only their pick this season, but two additional firsts as well, one or both of which I think they could acquire for us by sending some of their young guys to third teams.

Interesting to note that of all the young players listed above, Mudiay's the only one we didn't pass on in the draft.

[Villalobos]

Trading Bledsoe is dumb, unless he's unhappy. 27 isn't that old. He should be good at 30 when the rest of the roster is competitive. And if he's not the "PG of the future", the Suns have all their picks and those Miami picks to draft a future PG. They can still give him a new contract and trade him later on. Even if the Suns drafted Lonzo Ball, they should wait a year and see if Ball doesn't look like a bust before seriously thinking about it. The Suns have enough assets that they don't have to worry about getting the most possible value out of his trade.

Reminds me of this past off-season when people were salivating at the thought of trading Bledsoe and drafting Kris Dunn. Thank **** that didn't happen.

[bwgood77]

I'd do Bled for Barton (perfect backup for Booker), Hernangomez, and their 1st this year. I like Bled enough to keep, but yes, he deserves to play for a playoff team in his prime and not sure I want to pay him $30 million a year in 2019 when he is 29.

Whoa! And someone recently accused me of wanting to give Bled away for peanuts!

I've come around to the view that the Nugs would be a good landing spot for Bled. But (a) Nurkic is a bad fit, (b) Hernangomez is a worse fit, and (c) Murray is a bad fit. Mudiay's value is awful at this point. They may not want to give up Harris, whom I think would be a better fit for us. The vets (Barton, Chandler) we don't need, given where we are as a franchise. So the Nuggets would have to get creative. I'd want not only their pick this season, but two additional firsts as well, one or both of which I think they could acquire for us by sending some of their young guys to third teams.

Interesting to note that of all the young players listed above, Mudiay's the only one we didn't pass on in the draft.

I didn't mention any of those other guys (Nurkic, Mudiay, harris, Chandler, etc). I love Barton. He is a great 3 pt shooter, extremely versatile, moves the ball, and is just an all around good player with good size. Better than Harris (3 pt shooting, passing, rebounding, defending, 2 inches taller, etc). You obviously are not nearly as high on him.

Perfect Booker backup. I thought about mentioning both first rounders they own (their's and Memphis) but didn't know if that would be too homerish or asking for two much. I'd probably ask for that. I guess we wouldn't really need Hernangomez with Chriss and Bender though, unless that could be our three man frontcourt rotation of the future or 4 man with Len.

This would mean we would need a PG in the draft though or to figure something else out. However, best thing to do is wait to see if we get a PG in the draft, start next season with Bledsoe, and then if there are good offers and our rookie PG is developing, cash in.

But like I said, I see what many people say, those who love Bledsoe and think he deserves to play his prime in a place he can win. And just not sure if we should pay him an enormous contract, so to deal him when we can get the most.

Having said all this, we won't trade him. They are desperate to make the playoffs, and if they traded Bledsoe, that would likely be nearly impossible next year. It's improbable either way, but Sarver is typically short term. He's becoming a bit more long term approach though. Bledsoe does seem to love it here and the team, coach and staff seems to love him, so we can't underestimate that.

I could go either way with him though if the package we got in return was great.

About trading for peanuts..

I just remember some of these on the trade board were terrible. Like you just wanted to get rid of Bledsoe all together regardless of what we got back and start Ulis.

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[bwgood77]

Trading Bledsoe is dumb, unless he's unhappy. 27 isn't that old. He should be good at 30 when the rest of the roster is competitive. And if he's not the "PG of the future", the Suns have all their picks and those Miami picks to draft a future PG. They can still give him a new contract and trade him later on. Even if the Suns drafted Lonzo Ball, they should wait a year and see if Ball doesn't look like a bust before seriously thinking about it. The Suns have enough assets that they don't have to worry about getting the most possible value out of his trade.

Reminds me of this past off-season when people were salivating at the thought of trading Bledsoe and drafting Kris Dunn. Thank **** that didn't happen.

I somewhat agree. Like I said in my last post, I'd probably keep him for now, AT LEAST another year and see what happens in the draft, how next year is going, how much interest there is in him and all that.

But I can also see the viewpoint of him deserving to be on a win now team instead of playing with 18-20 year olds and journeymen, while in his prime, and letting our youth grow together.

Again, I'd probably wait at least a year, and maybe longer, depending on who we draft and how we are playing next year at this time, and what kind of trade value he has.

[King4Day]

Was Troy Williams on our Summer League team a year or 2 ago?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd do Bled for Barton (perfect backup for Booker), Hernangomez, and their 1st this year. I like Bled enough to keep, but yes, he deserves to play for a playoff team in his prime and not sure I want to pay him $30 million a year in 2019 when he is 29.

Whoa! And someone recently accused me of wanting to give Bled away for peanuts!

I've come around to the view that the Nugs would be a good landing spot for Bled. But (a) Nurkic is a bad fit, (b) Hernangomez is a worse fit, and (c) Murray is a bad fit. Mudiay's value is awful at this point. They may not want to give up Harris, whom I think would be a better fit for us. The vets (Barton, Chandler) we don't need, given where we are as a franchise. So the Nuggets would have to get creative. I'd want not only their pick this season, but two additional firsts as well, one or both of which I think they could acquire for us by sending some of their young guys to third teams.

Interesting to note that of all the young players listed above, Mudiay's the only one we didn't pass on in the draft.

I didn't mention any of those other guys (Nurkic, Mudiay, harris, Chandler, etc). I love Barton. He is a great 3 pt shooter, extremely versatile, moves the ball, and is just an all around good player with good size. Better than Harris (3 pt shooting, passing, rebounding, defending, 2 inches taller, etc). You obviously are not nearly as high on him.

Perfect Booker backup. I thought about mentioning both first rounders they own (their's and Memphis) but didn't know if that would be too homerish or asking for two much. I'd probably ask for that. I guess we wouldn't really need Hernangomez with Chriss and Bender though, unless that could be our three man frontcourt rotation of the future or 4 man with Len.

This would mean we would need a PG in the draft though or to figure something else out. However, best thing to do is wait to see if we get a PG in the draft, start next season with Bledsoe, and then if there are good offers and our rookie PG is developing, cash in.

But like I said, I see what many people say, those who love Bledsoe and think he deserves to play his prime in a place he can win. And just not sure if we should pay him an enormous contract, so to deal him when we can get the most.

Having said all this, we won't trade him. They are desperate to make the playoffs, and if they traded Bledsoe, that would likely be nearly impossible next year. It's improbable either way, but Sarver is typically short term. He's becoming a bit more long term approach though. Bledsoe does seem to love it here and the team, coach and staff seems to love him, so we can't underestimate that.

I could go either way with him though if the package we got in return was great.

About trading for peanuts..

I just remember some of these on the trade board were terrible. Like you just wanted to get rid of Bledsoe all together regardless of what we got back and start Ulis.

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Barton is 26 and has 1 year left on his deal. Hard to consider that a significant asset, especially when the plan is to have him backup to our best player. After all, if the issue with Bled is that he won't be here when we contend or that we'll have to sign him to a significant extension, wouldn't that problem be more acute when considering a player whose contract expires a year earlier?

To quote myself, in the thread you referenced:

What we need: Younger player with interior offense on long-term deal and/or significant draft assets. Not important that picks be in years 2017 or 2018, more important that they are lightly protected. Can accept bad contracts in return if the deal is right (after all, we're not signing Blake Griffin next offseason). No need for a high-upside 2/3/4 as we currently have four such players under contract.

Not peanuts.

[bwgood77]

Barton is 26 and has 1 year left on his deal. Hard to consider that a significant asset, especially when the plan is to have him backup to our best player. After all, if the issue with Bled is that he won't be here when we contend or that we'll have to sign him to a significant extension, wouldn't that problem be more acute when considering a player whose contract expires a year earlier?

To quote myself, in the thread you referenced:

What we need: Younger player with interior offense on long-term deal and/or significant draft assets. Not important that picks be in years 2017 or 2018, more important that they are lightly protected. Can accept bad contracts in return if the deal is right (after all, we're not signing Blake Griffin next offseason). No need for a high-upside 2/3/4 as we currently have four such players under contract.

Not peanuts.

Yeah, that probably isn't enough for Bledsoe. I like Barton though. The Denver pick would be the best asset. And Hernangomez was a highly regarded draft prospect. Many wanted to draft him at 13.

I think that's a pretty good package. But like I said, considering I'd rather wait a year, those picks are irrelevant.

When I said peanuts, I could have sworn I saw you post that you just wanted to get rid of Bledsoe earlier in the year and didn't really care what we got back, and just wanted Ulis to start, and thought I saw some really bad ones. I saw a couple in those links where you wanted Monroe and like a protected 2019 pick which I think is a far worse package.

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Our rookies' threads are seperate so I leave this here.

[carey]

Was Troy Williams on our Summer League team a year or 2 ago?

6 months ago....

[bwgood77]

Was Troy Williams on our Summer League team a year or 2 ago?

6 months ago....

Yes, and he started for the Grizz for a while this year putting up great numbers when they had injuries. We didn't keep him though in hopes we could get a 2nd rounder for Goodwin.

It seems like sometimes McD wants value for a draft pick or trade he made so much that he doesn't make the right decision staring him in the face.

[Weemsickew14]

Bled and Tuck for Mudiay, Barton and their first

[Qwigglez]

Bled and Tuck for Mudiay, Barton and their first

Rather ask for Murray. Mudiay's jumper is broke. Would also prefer to just not take a PG and take one in the upcoming draft.