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[kamaze]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

You agree with this stupid ban? More people die using their lawnmower than terrorist attacks from those countries annualy.

There's more terrorists from America (church bombings, cops killing people, etc.)

[CalamityX12]

Great response by people who care throughout the major airports..... do not sit silent and be oppressed!

[MrDollarBills]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

Yes, because hemming up senior citizens, children, and infants at air ports, and detaining or denying re entry to legal residents and green card holders who went through all legal vetting processes to come and live here is really going to stop a terrorist attack. oh please.

FOH with condoning this fascist, racist bull ****. If you're going to condone racial and religious persecution, which is what this is, say it, because that's pretty much what trump supporters have already done by voting and supporting this animal and his cronies in the first place.

And how come these "preemptive measures" weren't taken against countries that he has business ties with? Especially the one who has had their own citizens that were responsible for the worst terrorist attack on US Soil?

[shakendfries]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

You agree with this stupid ban? More people die using their lawnmower than terrorist attacks from those countries annualy.

There's more terrorists from America (church bombings, cops killing people, etc.)

How the Trump administration chose the 7 countries in the immigration executive order

The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration's actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump's order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days.

[...]In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."

idk after watching the attacks happened in Brussels, Paris, etc. I'd prefer a leader doing something preemptively before getting involved in a war like the US did in Afghanistan

[shakendfries]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

Yes, because hemming up senior citizens, children, and infants at air ports, and detaining or denying re entry to legal residents and green card holders who went through all legal vetting processes to come and live here is really going to stop a terrorist attack. oh please.

FOH with condoning this fascist, racist bull ****. If you're going to condone racial and religious persecution, which is what this is, say it, because that's pretty much what trump supporters have already done by voting and supporting this animal and his cronies in the first place.

And how come these "preemptive measures" weren't taken against countries that he has business ties with? Especially the one who has had their own citizens that were responsible for the worst terrorist attack on US Soil?

Doesn't the "ban" simply involve detailed screening of green card holders from these countries? I'm pretty sure a Sudanese Stanford student described her situation as being detained until they got her info, and they let her through

[MrDollarBills]

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

You agree with this stupid ban? More people die using their lawnmower than terrorist attacks from those countries annualy.

There's more terrorists from America (church bombings, cops killing people, etc.)

How the Trump administration chose the 7 countries in the immigration executive order

The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration's actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump's order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days.

[...]In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."

idk after watching the attacks happened in Brussels, Paris, etc. I'd prefer a leader doing something preemptively before getting involved in a war like the US did in Afghanistan

dude, the last few attacks were all American citizens.

The Boston Bombers were white muslim terrorists from Chechnya.

Stopping legal residents/green card holders who have lived here for YEARS is seriously going to stop a terrorist attack huh?

[shakendfries]

You agree with this stupid ban? More people die using their lawnmower than terrorist attacks from those countries annualy.

There's more terrorists from America (church bombings, cops killing people, etc.)

How the Trump administration chose the 7 countries in the immigration executive order

The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration's actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump's order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days.

[...]In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."

idk after watching the attacks happened in Brussels, Paris, etc. I'd prefer a leader doing something preemptively before getting involved in a war like the US did in Afghanistan

dude, the last few attacks were all American citizens.

The Boston Bombers were white muslim terrorists from Chechnya.

Stopping legal residents/green card holders who have lived here for YEARS is seriously going to stop a terrorist attack huh?

I am not well versed on what's going on in these countries, but if Obama labeled them in an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters" taking precautions doesn't necessarily sound like a bad idea. It definitely sucks for the good people getting hemmed up, but preventing entry from just one person with bad intent is enough to justify it

[MrDollarBills]

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

Yes, because hemming up senior citizens, children, and infants at air ports, and detaining or denying re entry to legal residents and green card holders who went through all legal vetting processes to come and live here is really going to stop a terrorist attack. oh please.

FOH with condoning this fascist, racist bull ****. If you're going to condone racial and religious persecution, which is what this is, say it, because that's pretty much what trump supporters have already done by voting and supporting this animal and his cronies in the first place.

And how come these "preemptive measures" weren't taken against countries that he has business ties with? Especially the one who has had their own citizens that were responsible for the worst terrorist attack on US Soil?

Doesn't the "ban" simply involve detailed screening of green card holders from these countries? I'm pretty sure a Sudanese Stanford student described her situation as being detained until they got her info, and they let her through

yes, as she was traumatized, searched like a common criminal, asked asinine questions about her opinions of donald trump, and had her social media viewed.

Yeah, you keep thinking that will keep you safe from those big bad terrorists. i'm sure when the next angry white male shoots up a public place, detaining that sudanese woman will have gone quite a ways towards preventing it.

[Pistolpete1947]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

You do understand we already were vetting people before don't you?

[MrDollarBills]

idk after watching the attacks happened in Brussels, Paris, etc. I'd prefer a leader doing something preemptively before getting involved in a war like the US did in Afghanistan

dude, the last few attacks were all American citizens.

The Boston Bombers were white muslim terrorists from Chechnya.

Stopping legal residents/green card holders who have lived here for YEARS is seriously going to stop a terrorist attack huh?

I am not well versed on what's going on in these countries, but if Obama labeled them in an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters" taking precautions doesn't necessarily sound like a bad idea. It definitely sucks for the good people getting hemmed up, but preventing entry from just one person with bad intent is enough to justify it

No it's not. You just say that **** because it wouldn't happen to you or your family member(s). This point of view reeks of the typical privilege, devoid of all empathy, a problem that plagues this country.

How will stopping legal residents who went through proper channels and vetting, who have lived here for YEARS prevent a terrorist attack? Especially when the last several incidents have been at the hands of Americans? I'm more worried about some idiot who was born here shooting up the damn place than I am about some kid from Sudan coming here to get an education and make life better for themselves. What does detaining seniors and infants have to do with preventing terror? You think some 72 year old is going to wait til their golden years to become a suicide bomber? or some toddler's going to set off a diaper bomb in a day care center?

What does asking a Sudanese student their opinions on Donald Trump have to do with preventing a terrorist attack? Even if the answer was "I think he's a dirty pervert and a corrupt piece of ****", it still doesn't make her a terrorist.

You are perfectly fine heading down that slippery slope, but as this weekend showed most sane Americans aren't.

Go on, keep thinking that being afraid of everyone who is non white, non christian will keep you safe.

[MrDollarBills]

Number of terrorist attacks by refugees allowed into U.S.: Zero.

you do understand how preemptive measures work, right?

You do understand we already were vetting people before don't you?

^correct.

and this is another fallacy, comparing what the US was doing with refugees to what was happening in Europe. In Europe there was a mass migration where dudes were getting in left and right. Here, the chances of a terrorist getting through the US vetting process would be a lot harder because this isn't a case of people storming and flowing freely through a border like what happened with the Europeans.

you have more of a threat from homegrown terrorists, either it be white nationalists, or radicalized american muslims than you do a family of 4 who underwent a stringent vetting process before even being allowed to board a plane. this is religious, ethnic and racial discrimination, simple and plain, spearheaded by a white nationalist nutjob named Steve Bannon.

[CalamityX12]

Even the GOP isn't behind this..... what does that say?(again)

[shakendfries]

No it's not. You just say that **** because it wouldn't happen to you or your family member(s). This point of view reeks of the typical privilege, devoid of all empathy, a problem that plagues this country.

How will stopping legal residents who went through proper channels and vetting, who have lived here for YEARS prevent a terrorist attack? Especially when the last several incidents have been at the hands of Americans? I'm more worried about some idiot who was born here shooting up the damn place than I am about some kid from Sudan coming here to get an education and make life better for themselves. What does detaining seniors and infants have to do with preventing terror? You think some 72 year old is going to wait til their golden years to become a suicide bomber? or some toddler's going to set off a diaper bomb in a day care center?

What does asking a Sudanese student their opinions on Donald Trump have to do with preventing a terrorist attack? Even if the answer was "I think he's a dirty pervert and a corrupt piece of ****", it still doesn't make her a terrorist.

You are perfectly fine heading down that slippery slope, but as this weekend showed most sane Americans aren't.

Go on, keep thinking that being afraid of everyone who is non white, non christian will keep you safe.

Geez, I didn't think my opinion automatically makes me an awful person. If you're that outspoken about the 7 countries that were labeled as terrorist hotspots, I'd be more convinced of your awareness if you had this same enthusiasm over Boko Haram.

Part of the problem is that the media is choosing to label this as a Muslim ban, rather than the actuality that out of 40+ Muslim nations, 7 of them that have been specifically labeled as hotspots are under scrutiny. However, labeling this as a religious issue will obviously trigger a bigger response from its audience.

If you're than well versed on the issues plaguing regions, would you care to speak on the oppression of non-Arab blacks in Africa? How about the history of their enslavement in this region?

[bws94]

You agree with this stupid ban? More people die using their lawnmower than terrorist attacks from those countries annualy.

There's more terrorists from America (church bombings, cops killing people, etc.)

How the Trump administration chose the 7 countries in the immigration executive order

The seven Muslim-majority countries targeted in President Trump's executive order on immigration were initially identified as "countries of concern" under the Obama administration.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Sunday pointed to the Obama administration's actions as the basis for their selection of the seven countries. Trump's order bars citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the U.S. for the next 90 days.

[...]In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."

idk after watching the attacks happened in Brussels, Paris, etc. I'd prefer a leader doing something preemptively before getting involved in a war like the US did in Afghanistan

dude, the last few attacks were all American citizens.

The Boston Bombers were white muslim terrorists from Chechnya.

Stopping legal residents/green card holders who have lived here for YEARS is seriously going to stop a terrorist attack huh?

Right. In Canada, in the Quebec mosque shooting, one of the suspects is Moroccan. It's all preliminary at this point, but if he turns out to have done it, that's a country not on the list. The idea that these 7 countries produce dangerous people is BS. The people coming into the US were thoroughly vetted for over a year, there's no need to detain any of them. Trump had this Muslim ban in his mind in his campaign, so he does it now. Anyone reading his tweets could see he's mentally unstable and there should be a psychological screening for someone to be president. This guy is not well.

[CalamityX12]

Read on Twitter

in response to Trump's tweet about proposed Muslim ban back in his campaign.

[2k15]

No it's not. You just say that **** because it wouldn't happen to you or your family member(s). This point of view reeks of the typical privilege, devoid of all empathy, a problem that plagues this country.

How will stopping legal residents who went through proper channels and vetting, who have lived here for YEARS prevent a terrorist attack? Especially when the last several incidents have been at the hands of Americans? I'm more worried about some idiot who was born here shooting up the damn place than I am about some kid from Sudan coming here to get an education and make life better for themselves. What does detaining seniors and infants have to do with preventing terror? You think some 72 year old is going to wait til their golden years to become a suicide bomber? or some toddler's going to set off a diaper bomb in a day care center?

What does asking a Sudanese student their opinions on Donald Trump have to do with preventing a terrorist attack? Even if the answer was "I think he's a dirty pervert and a corrupt piece of ****", it still doesn't make her a terrorist.

You are perfectly fine heading down that slippery slope, but as this weekend showed most sane Americans aren't.

Go on, keep thinking that being afraid of everyone who is non white, non christian will keep you safe.

Geez, I didn't think my opinion automatically makes me an awful person. If you're that outspoken about the 7 countries that were labeled as terrorist hotspots, I'd be more convinced of your awareness if you had this same enthusiasm over Boko Haram.

Part of the problem is that the media is choosing to label this as a Muslim ban, rather than the actuality that out of 40+ Muslim nations, 7 of them that have been specifically labeled as hotspots are under scrutiny. However, labeling this as a religious issue will obviously trigger a bigger response from its audience.

If you're than well versed on the issues plaguing regions, would you care to speak on the oppression of non-Arab blacks in Africa? How about the history of their enslavement in this region?

I think you can argue about whether these bans might be a logical extension of what Obama had already done. For what it is worth, I am not persuaded by the conflict of interest conspiracy that is floated around - that Trump only banned countries where he doesn't have business interests in.

HOWEVER, what is not up to debate is how terrible this process was executed and how incredibly incompetent this administration has shown itself to be. That is what shocked me the most about what happened this weekend - how could you, when planning something of this magnitude, not have foreseen these issues? How could a couple of non-lawyers have overridden the DHS's determination that this ban should not apply to green-card holders? I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt before this but I am convinced now that they really don't know what they are doing.

[shakendfries]

I think you can argue about whether these bans might be a logical extension of what Obama had already done. For what it is worth, I am not persuaded by the conflict of interest conspiracy that is floated around - that Trump only banned countries where he doesn't have business interests in.

HOWEVER, what is not up to debate is how terrible this process was executed and how incredibly incompetent this administration has shown itself to be. That is what shocked me the most about what happened this weekend - how could you, when planning something of this magnitude, not have foreseen these issues? How could a couple of non-lawyers have overridden the DHS's determination that this ban should not apply to green-card holders? I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt before this but I am convinced now that they really don't know what they are doing.

that's a fair point

[MrDollarBills]

No it's not. You just say that **** because it wouldn't happen to you or your family member(s). This point of view reeks of the typical privilege, devoid of all empathy, a problem that plagues this country.

How will stopping legal residents who went through proper channels and vetting, who have lived here for YEARS prevent a terrorist attack? Especially when the last several incidents have been at the hands of Americans? I'm more worried about some idiot who was born here shooting up the damn place than I am about some kid from Sudan coming here to get an education and make life better for themselves. What does detaining seniors and infants have to do with preventing terror? You think some 72 year old is going to wait til their golden years to become a suicide bomber? or some toddler's going to set off a diaper bomb in a day care center?

What does asking a Sudanese student their opinions on Donald Trump have to do with preventing a terrorist attack? Even if the answer was "I think he's a dirty pervert and a corrupt piece of ****", it still doesn't make her a terrorist.

You are perfectly fine heading down that slippery slope, but as this weekend showed most sane Americans aren't.

Go on, keep thinking that being afraid of everyone who is non white, non christian will keep you safe.

Geez, I didn't think my opinion automatically makes me an awful person. If you're that outspoken about the 7 countries that were labeled as terrorist hotspots, I'd be more convinced of your awareness if you had this same enthusiasm over Boko Haram.

Part of the problem is that the media is choosing to label this as a Muslim ban, rather than the actuality that out of 40+ Muslim nations, 7 of them that have been specifically labeled as hotspots are under scrutiny. However, labeling this as a religious issue will obviously trigger a bigger response from its audience.

If you're than well versed on the issues plaguing regions, would you care to speak on the oppression of non-Arab blacks in Africa? How about the history of their enslavement in this region?

I didn't call you a bad person. I vehemently disagree with you, and also am pointing out your condoning of fascist bull ****.

I think Boko Haram is trash that need to be not buried, but incinerated.

I understand that those countries are hot spots. I also know, aside from the fact that my own family members are immigrants, that the US vetting process is one of the world's most stringent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/trump-asked-for-a-muslim-ban-giuliani-says-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.33087b16210c

^^^it is a Muslim ban. Lets not forget the comments about giving "Christian refugees" priority, or the whole religious test nonsense.

Your last sentence, in typical Trump supporter fashion, is an attempt to change the subject from the conversation you're not comfortable talking about because, well, you're condoning not only fascist behavior and overzealous legislating from the executive branch, but in open support of the persecution of a religious and ethnic minority in the United States. We're not talking persecution in Africa. We're talking about persecution right here in the United States. Which you are in approval of.

Racism and xenophobia are not patriotism. Nor do they keep populaces safe from terrorists, especially the home grown ones who shoot up churches and movie theaters.

[MrDollarBills]

No it's not. You just say that **** because it wouldn't happen to you or your family member(s). This point of view reeks of the typical privilege, devoid of all empathy, a problem that plagues this country.

How will stopping legal residents who went through proper channels and vetting, who have lived here for YEARS prevent a terrorist attack? Especially when the last several incidents have been at the hands of Americans? I'm more worried about some idiot who was born here shooting up the damn place than I am about some kid from Sudan coming here to get an education and make life better for themselves. What does detaining seniors and infants have to do with preventing terror? You think some 72 year old is going to wait til their golden years to become a suicide bomber? or some toddler's going to set off a diaper bomb in a day care center?

What does asking a Sudanese student their opinions on Donald Trump have to do with preventing a terrorist attack? Even if the answer was "I think he's a dirty pervert and a corrupt piece of ****", it still doesn't make her a terrorist.

You are perfectly fine heading down that slippery slope, but as this weekend showed most sane Americans aren't.

Go on, keep thinking that being afraid of everyone who is non white, non christian will keep you safe.

Geez, I didn't think my opinion automatically makes me an awful person. If you're that outspoken about the 7 countries that were labeled as terrorist hotspots, I'd be more convinced of your awareness if you had this same enthusiasm over Boko Haram.

Part of the problem is that the media is choosing to label this as a Muslim ban, rather than the actuality that out of 40+ Muslim nations, 7 of them that have been specifically labeled as hotspots are under scrutiny. However, labeling this as a religious issue will obviously trigger a bigger response from its audience.

If you're than well versed on the issues plaguing regions, would you care to speak on the oppression of non-Arab blacks in Africa? How about the history of their enslavement in this region?

I think you can argue about whether these bans might be a logical extension of what Obama had already done. For what it is worth, I am not persuaded by the conflict of interest conspiracy that is floated around - that Trump only banned countries where he doesn't have business interests in.

HOWEVER, what is not up to debate is how terrible this process was executed and how incredibly incompetent this administration has shown itself to be. That is what shocked me the most about what happened this weekend - how could you, when planning something of this magnitude, not have foreseen these issues? How could a couple of non-lawyers have overridden the DHS's determination that this ban should not apply to green-card holders? I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt before this but I am convinced now that they really don't know what they are doing.

1) I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory...it is a fact that didn't ban Muslim counties that he does business with, one of which is a known terrorist hot bed (Saudi Arabia).

2) agreed on the horrible execution and incompetence. Even the DHS, who weren't exactly for all of this prior to the order being issued, asked for a grace period in order to prevent exactly what happened and Bannon and the rest of the nutjobs balked. They knew exactly what they were going to do by rushing this through.

[shakendfries]

Your last sentence, in typical Trump supporter fashion, is an attempt to change the subject from the conversation you're not comfortable talking about because, well, you're condoning not only fascist behavior and overzealous legislating from the executive branch, but in open support of the persecution of a religious and ethnic minority in the United States. We're not talking persecution in Africa. We're talking about persecution right here in the United States. Which you are in approval of.

Racism and xenophobia are not patriotism. Nor do they keep populaces safe from terrorists, especially the home grown ones who shoot up churches and movie theaters.

Your emotional response to any issues or topics involving Trump makes discourse with you impossible. If you feel adamant speaking on the issues of honest people in these countries, why only speak on the issues involving Trump? Why weren't you outspoken over Boko Haram until I brought it up? Are you aware of the oppression of non-Arab blacks in Africa? Are you aware of the oppression of women in some of these Arab nations? Why don't you also speak to those issues?

It sounds like you're only upset over issues that the media is reporting on, and wishes to elicit a response from. If you weren't concerned about the issues plaguing these regions before last week, you're fooling yourself into thinking this newly conceived "ban" is the biggest issue in this region, or a significant factor against the reconciliation of those issues.