Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST

Blkbrd671 · Post #201 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:13 am

Watched first half then had a lunch meeting and came home to watch the rest. My take is :

1.) Part of the reason we are struggling and i hate to say this is KCP pressing. While he does tend to make up for it in other ways, defensively he hasn't been on point as he normally is and he's taking some pretty bad shots. The quicker he can get back into form the better i'll team will be

2,) Andre drummond is a complete f* idioit. PArt of the reason KCP is struggling and IT went ape sh* is because Dre never shows on the PnR nor does he contest shots. I can't stand everytime a player comes off a screen dre stare at the player with his hands out to his side, There are times he can actually prevent a shot if he simply tried to contest. He is a large reason why our defense is sh* , i think this game he did enough to be a net neutral. His hook shot was impressive

3.) I could go on all day about why we lost, but the main reason is SVG's trust in RJ. WTF.... Ish smith was straight up leading this team towards a victory and SVG subbed him out so RJ can waste possessions away. RJ absolutely destroyed any momentum we had and forced absolute sh* shots. DBB said it best. "PASS THE F* BALL". I DVR'd the game and had to rewind the part of the game where the reporter spoke with RJ and he indicated that "he learned from RW that he needs to consistently attack the rim". I still don't understand how any player can watch his own sh* performance consistently and still think he's a player of RW caliber. RJ's problem may be physical but the reason he's not right for our team is his mental approach and SVG's reliance on him is getting to the point where its becoming SVG's fault. We are a better team running our offense through KCP and Harris with Ish and Beno distributing. We have a large enough sample to say that is a fact

We aren't makign the playoffs with RJ at the helm, he thinks he's a superstar and makes excuses for why he doesn't produce like one.

Blkbrd671 · Post #202 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:14 am

Mo-Town wrote:Its not reggies fault he's dreadful its SVGs fault for continuously trusting him when we have proven clutch players like Tobias and KCP. SVG calls the plays.

agreed, its too the point where now your wondering "wtf is SVG looking at!?"

In SVG We Trust · Post #203 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:40 am

Yeah, SVG really need to put things in perspective and see this team is awful.

Pharaoh · Post #204 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:27 pm

Starting to wonder if SVG is tanking

The case for it:

ALL our significant pieces are locked in (except KCP) beyond this season

SVG constantly subs out guys who are playing well when the game hangs in the balance

SVG constantly shrugs his shoulders and says (paraphrasing) "I got no idea why we suck" - from a dude that has forgotten more about basketball than we'll ever know.

SVG might not strictly be a straight shooter he's also not a moron!

We all see RJs hero ball killing us, among other things. Yet SVG can't see it, acknowledge it or even slightly change it? That's bull!

Throw in weird benchings of SJ & the rare Bobo sightings...

Maybe SVG is looking to add 1 last Lotto pick before we the fire rises

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Moses ShamMoses · Post #205 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:48 pm

I really don't think for one second that SVG is secretly tanking. I do think he plays guys that he 'trusts' based on previous history. Last year, Reggie was amazing in 4th quarters in close games. He straight up killed it. SVG keeps going back to the well when it obviously has run dry (injury related? not sure why really).

Moses ShamMoses · Post #206 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:51 pm

I like the idea of Ibaka but it sounds like the Magic are holding out for young players and 1st round picks. I don't know we want to give up either of those things for a guy who is due a new contract and unrestricted. They would probably ask for Ellenson or Stanley Johnson as part of the package.

Arp590 · Post #207 » by **Arp590** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:39 pm

So it's Reggie's fault for playing hero ball? In yet his team was 3-27 from 3 point?
You can only pass to these guys for so long until you try to make something happen on your own.
These guys can't hit the broadside of a barn.
We win if we just hit a couple more 3s & then we wouldn't be talking about Reggie hero ball.

Stan Van Gundy has yet to put any shooters around Reggie & Dre since he has been here.
You can't win without shooters in today's NBA & we're a bottom 4 team in 3pt %.

Blkbrd671 · Post #208 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:48 pm

Arp590 wrote:So it's Reggie's fault for playing hero ball? In yet his team was 3-27 from 3 point?
You can only pass to these guys for so long until you try to make something happen on your own.
These guys can't hit the broadside of a barn.
We win if we just hit a couple more 3s & then we wouldn't be talking about Reggie hero ball.

Stan Van Gundy has yet to put any shooters around Reggie & Dre since he has been here.
You can't win without shooters in today's NBA & we're a bottom 4 team in 3pt %.

either you didn't watch the game or you don't understand chemistry, and its more than just this game. Our entire team responds better to ish smith and Beno as pg. That is a fact, RJ doesn't recognize that

Blkbrd671 · Post #209 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:57 pm

Moses ShamMoses wrote:I like the idea of Ibaka but it sounds like the Magic are holding out for young players and 1st round picks. I don't know we want to give up either of those things for a guy who is due a new contract and unrestricted. They would probably ask for Ellenson or Stanley Johnson as part of the package.

ibaka is like 31 and play is declining and i believe defense as well. he's not the direction we need to go.

Billl · Post #210 » by **Billl** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:06 pm

It's not RJ's fault that guys bricked a million 3's. A couple of those were trying to beat the shot clock, but most of them were open looks within the flow of the offense. Guy's weren't knocking down 3's with Ish in the game either.

Of course, RJ was 0-3 from distance and 4-12 overall. The bigger problem is that he doesn't contribute on the other end. If he's not making shots, he's a defensive liability still and he becomes a net negative. Unless he and dre consistently compete on the defensive end, we'll be a feast or famine team.

Canadafan · Post #211 » by **Canadafan** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:12 pm

Kcp was pretty horrible. Ya, the difference in 3's made for them and us was incredible. We had 3 they had 13. 30 point swing. Ridiculous!

Blkbrd671 · Post #212 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:17 pm

Billl wrote:It's not RJ's fault that guys bricked a million 3's. A couple of those were trying to beat the shot clock, but most of them were open looks within the flow of the offense. Guy's weren't knocking down 3's with Ish in the game either.

Of course, RJ was 0-3 from distance and 4-12 overall. The bigger problem is that he doesn't contribute on the other end. If he's not making shots, he's a defensive liability still and he becomes a net negative. Unless he and dre consistently compete on the defensive end, we'll be a feast or famine team.

its a matter of rhythm, you look at the time rj takes to get down the court, the timing of his passes, he misses cuts all the time and fails to recognize when to drive, score, or distribute. he's not the sole reason we lost, though his 4th qtr was sh*, but this has been a problem that has been reoccuring since his return.

my fav part of rj's defense is when he holds his hands up when he's late on the contest as to say, "i was there" when he really wasn't

Post #213 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:20 pm

Pharaoh wrote:
Snakebites wrote:This team will not tank. Its simply not a productive line of discussion.

From the looks of it we don't need to actively tank! We're bad enough already.

An "injury" to Drummond would kill the season dead as can be since RJ would go into full blown Westbrook mode...

What we need at the PG spot Reggie simply can't provide.

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Our team is playing at a low point. All of our previous bad teams have had low points bad enough that in that moment it didn't look like active tanking was needed.

We'll have a couple of stretches where we're playing better, which in all likelihood won't put us into the playoffs, but will allow teams actively tanking to secure spots beneath us in the standings.

It happened without fail.

This is really rough. I feel myself losing interest. Its not uncommon, I've felt it every lottery year around this point. I just thought after last year I wouldn't have to go through it again so soon.

Billl · Post #214 » by **Billl** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:23 pm

"its a matter of rhythm"

On the season, yes. Last night? Not really. We had a ton of open looks from 3 on kickouts etc. Those are rhythm shots that guys need to knock down at a decent clip. And really, end if 100% of the 3's we took last night had been contested shots, our percentage still should have been higher. Dre can make a better percentage from half court than that.

Arp590 · Post #215 » by **Arp590** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:51 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:
Arp590 wrote:So it's Reggie's fault for playing hero ball? In yet his team was 3-27 from 3 point?
You can only pass to these guys for so long until you try to make something happen on your own.
These guys can't hit the broadside of a barn.
We win if we just hit a couple more 3s & then we wouldn't be talking about Reggie hero ball.

Stan Van Gundy has yet to put any shooters around Reggie & Dre since he has been here.
You can't win without shooters in today's NBA & we're a bottom 4 team in 3pt %.

either you didn't watch the game or you don't understand chemistry, and its more than just this game. Our entire team responds better to ish smith and Beno as pg. That is a fact, RJ doesn't recognize that

Yeah let's trade everyone & build around Marcus Morris & Ish Smith then.. they have such great chemistry after all. :lol:

"It's more than just this game"
^Yeah like I said, we're bottom 4 in 3pt%. Reggie has nothing to work with.

vic · Post #216 » by **vic** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:24 pm

Rubio is looking better and better

DBC10 · Post #217 » by **DBC10** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:52 pm

RJ may not be the sole reason why we're losing, but he sure as hell isn't the solution to this team's long term either.

He just has too many flaws as a player that demands the ball as much as he does. He still is among the top 3 in ball usage % with little to show for it in terms of his offensive efficiency (I guess his 3 pt% is good) and playmaking. That and he doesn't play defense.

Redeemed · Post #218 » by **Redeemed** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:10 pm

Blow
It
Up

Manocad · Post #219 » by **Manocad** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:37 pm

Redeemed wrote:Blow
It
Up

Ditto. RJ and Dre at this point do not look like the building blocks we hoped they'd be, and while I like KCP's effort I don't like the thought of paying him $20 mil a year.

Izzite · Post #220 » by **Izzite** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:49 pm

DBC10 wrote:RJ may not be the sole reason why we're losing, but he sure as hell isn't the solution to this team's long term either.

He just has too many flaws as a player that demands the ball as much as he does. He still is among the top 3 in ball usage % with little to show for it in terms of his offensive efficiency (I guess his 3 pt% is good) and playmaking. That and he doesn't play defense.

He's just not playing smart. Multiple contested lay ups down the stretch in this last game. He wanted to be the reason we won, and instead sabotaged us. I've been trying so hard to be patient, but he just pounds the air out of the ball and ruins the flow of our offense. If Stan plans to stand pat at the deadline I'd like to see him come off the bench until he can prove that he can be a competent point guard. Time to give tough love to someone other than Stanley.