Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Payt10]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

[RedBulls23]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

Jaylen Brown, both nets pick and filler would work for me if they are to trade Jimmy. In an ideal world, it would be a different FO making the trade.

I'd prefer not to add guys like Crowder or Bradley. Though I guess I can see the rationale of having vets with a young team.

[Mech Engineer]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

I agree. And, whatever we think of GarPax...they are smart enough to understand that much, IMO. They are not going to bend over for Ainge. If they trade Jimmy to Boston, it has to hurt Boston a lot more than the Boston fans would like.

These rumors have been going on for a while and everybody has to report it because it is front page news. See how many Jimmy rumors are out there after the recent outburst. It has picked up and if the Bulls win a few games, it will reduce. And, pick up again before trade deadline. I just don't know what to believe anymore because there is too much noise and it is tough to filter who is reporting and who is recirculating old rumors or who is doing it for clicks.

[Red8911]

Keep Jimmy. Trade Wade!

If he continues to talk like he's not returning next year, then yea why not. Might as well bring in another shooter for him. Would rather keep him but he's been very annoying lately with his comments, like the fact that he got fined and shut him up a lil bit.

[JordansBulls]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

If the Bulls trade Jimmy for that, I'll become a Rockets fan.

[League Circles]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Not criticizing you for posting it, but this isn't a material report of any sort. It just says some rival executives believe the two teams might rekindle talks. Well no ****. Of course logical people believe they might rekindle talks. No need to be a rival GM and no new information. It might as well read "league observers can imagine something that makes sense for us all to imagine."

KC is learning the media game though. When in doubt, say that someone important believes something interesting might happen.

[JordansBulls]

Only trade for the Celtics that should happen is Rondo and Niko for Thomas.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Those trade proposals with Celtics are mostly meeh.. even J.Brown and 2x1st picks.. I dont know!?
I rather trade with Minny for Wiggins!

[MisterRoy]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

...but they may NOT!

[Red8911]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Not criticizing you for posting it, but this isn't a material report of any sort. It just says some rival executives believe the two teams might rekindle talks. Well no ****. Of course logical people believe they might rekindle talks. No need to be a rival GM and no new information. It might as well read "league observers can imagine something that makes sense for us all to imagine."

KC is learning the media game though. When in doubt, say that someone important believes something interesting might happen.

Yeah exactly,Boston is also in talks to get Melo. They obviously need a star on that team or they won't be able to go that far. Bulls-celtics talked then and didn't get a deal,don't see how they will now. I expect them to eventually get melo(he would waive no trade clause to go there) and rumors with Jimmy will then end. It's really hard to find a fair deal for jimmy,bulls are better off keeping him.

[Mech Engineer]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Not criticizing you for posting it, but this isn't a material report of any sort. It just says some rival executives believe the two teams might rekindle talks. Well no ****. Of course logical people believe they might rekindle talks. No need to be a rival GM and no new information. It might as well read "league observers can imagine something that makes sense for us all to imagine."

KC is learning the media game though. When in doubt, say that someone important believes something interesting might happen.

Yeah exactly,Boston is also in talks to get Melo. They obviously need a star on that team or they won't be able to go that far. Bulls-celtics talked then and didn't get a deal,don't see how they will now. I expect them to eventually get melo(he would waive no trade clause to go there) and rumors with Jimmy will then end. It's really hard to find a fair deal for jimmy,bulls are better off keeping him.

There are all kinds of angles. There will be criticism of Ainge if he sits pat and wastes his assets not to put his team into the next tier or if they have a losing streak. If Melo/Jimmy trades are in the news, he gets away with whatever his plan is but shows he is working on this trade angle too.

The same Boston fans/media will kill him if his team is not involved if by chance Jimmy gets traded to Minnesota and they will also kill him if he gives up too many assets. Every fanbase wants a super team just like LeBron is whining in Cleveland about getting more pieces to fill every small hole on the roster.

It is good business for Ainge to keep the Jimmy trade in circulation for multiple reasons.

[Ralphb07]

Figured they would, always seemed like the plan.. Ainge is hard to deal with but he has what it will take to make it happen. He could even kill two birds with one stone and put something together for Butler and Lopez

[Mobby]

How about Avery Bradley/Jaylen Brown/2x1st rounder? There has to be a price.

I have a feeling Ainge understands the pressure on the organization to get a bonafide star if they are to win a championship.

I'm a bit torn, but it doesn't look like we're going anywhere, and getting a haul like Bradley/Jaylen/2 1sts would be a nice way to look to the future.

[JeremyB0001]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

I think you're underrating the Nets pick this season. They have the worst record in the league by a whopping six games and thus are likely to stay in that spot. That puts the pick at a 41.5% chance of landing in the top two. I expect both Fultz and Ball to be far better NBA players than Wiggins, who's wildly overrated. The lowest the pick would fall is fourth, so it should yield a much better player than Len or McLemore who were drafted fifth and seventh respectively in far lesser drafts. I'd want more included but, if it were me, at the end of the day, I'm probably going to move Jimmy for a package that includes this season's Nets pick. A close to 50-50 chance of rebooting this team with Fultz or Ball is just too hard to pass up when it's hard to map out Jimmy Butler ever leading the Bulls to a championship absent some miracle that lands the team another star.

[Ralphb07]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137

Rumor mill: There are rival executives who believe the Bulls and Celtics will rekindle trade talks centered on Jimmy Butler before the Feb. 23 deadline. The teams held serious talks in June, and the Celtics own the same assets — Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart, the Nets' first-round picks in 2017 and 2018 — the teams discussed then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Not criticizing you for posting it, but this isn't a material report of any sort. It just says some rival executives believe the two teams might rekindle talks. Well no ****. Of course logical people believe they might rekindle talks. No need to be a rival GM and no new information. It might as well read "league observers can imagine something that makes sense for us all to imagine."

KC is learning the media game though. When in doubt, say that someone important believes something interesting might happen.

Why do you think these execs think so? Probably because that's the vibe coming out. It may not be "NEW" news but it's certainly more than League Circles and Ralphb07 saying it on RealGM.

[bullslas]

Butler would make the Celtics worse. They have a nice team game and the first time someone else tries to shoot in the last 2 minutes Butler won't be happy. Boston is not the team for Butler.

[Ralphb07]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

I think you're underrating the Nets pick this season. They have the worst record in the league by a whopping six games and thus are likely to stay in that spot. That puts the pick at a 41.5% chance of landing in the top two. I expect both Fultz and Ball to be far better NBA players than Wiggins, who's wildly overrated. The lowest the pick would fall is fourth, so it should yield a much better player than Len or McLemore who were drafted fifth and seventh respectively in far lesser drafts. I'd want more included but, if it were me, at the end of the day, I'm probably going to move Jimmy for a package that includes this season's Nets pick. A close to 50-50 chance of rebooting this team with Fultz or Ball is just too hard to pass up when it's hard to map out Jimmy Butler ever leading the Bulls to a championship absent some miracle that lands the team another star.

I'd put Dennis Smith there too but yes I agree

[Mobby]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

I think you're underrating the Nets pick this season. They have the worst record in the league by a whopping six games and thus are likely to stay in that spot. That puts the pick at a 41.5% chance of landing in the top two. I expect both Fultz and Ball to be far better NBA players than Wiggins, who's wildly overrated. The lowest the pick would fall is fourth, so it should yield a much better player than Len or McLemore who were drafted fifth and seventh respectively in far lesser drafts. I'd want more included but, if it were me, at the end of the day, I'm probably going to move Jimmy for a package that includes this season's Nets pick. A close to 50-50 chance of rebooting this team with Fultz or Ball is just too hard to pass up when it's hard to map out Jimmy Butler ever leading the Bulls to a championship absent some miracle that lands the team another star.

+1

Considering that the likelihood of the Nets falling into another bottom 3 spot next year is quite likely as well, I'd take a shot at rebooting with 2 top-3 picks and 2 solid rotation players.

[Ralphb07]

How about Avery Bradley/Jaylen Brown/2x1st rounder? There has to be a price.

I have a feeling Ainge understands the pressure on the organization to get a bonafide star if they are to win a championship.

I'm a bit torn, but it doesn't look like we're going anywhere, and getting a haul like Bradley/Jaylen/2 1sts would be a nice way to look to the future.

Brooklyns 2017, Memphis 2018, Jaylen Brown and Avery Bradley works if the plan is to reboot.

[League Circles]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Not criticizing you for posting it, but this isn't a material report of any sort. It just says some rival executives believe the two teams might rekindle talks. Well no ****. Of course logical people believe they might rekindle talks. No need to be a rival GM and no new information. It might as well read "league observers can imagine something that makes sense for us all to imagine."

KC is learning the media game though. When in doubt, say that someone important believes something interesting might happen.

Why do you think these execs think so? Probably because that's the vibe coming out. It may not be "NEW" news but it's certainly more than League Circles and Ralphb07 saying it on RealGM.

I guess my point is that they would believe that the two teams may rekindle talks regardless of what vibe they were or weren't getting about it.