Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Ctownbulls]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

Jaylen Brown, both nets pick and filler would work for me if they are to trade Jimmy. In an ideal world, it would be a different FO making the trade.

I'd prefer not to add guys like Crowder or Bradley. Though I guess I can see the rationale of having vets with a young team.

They would have to do that deal. You are talking about the #1 pick this year + Jaylen Brown. The Bulls would also have a top 10 pick themselves. Potentially another top 15 from Sacramento and then probably two more top 10 picks the year after. Plus all of the capspace in the world. That is the optimal reset button if they are bold enough to press it.

[Ralphb07]

I'm a bigger fan of Avery Bradley over Crowder. I think you can get more value in a trade for him or if you keep him which I would helps the Bulls more...

[Ctownbulls]

I'm a bigger fan of Avery Bradley over Crowder. I think you can get more value in a trade for him or if you keep him which I would helps the Bulls more...

Id rather get Rozier as a toss in.

Jimmy + MCW for Rozier, Brown and Amir Johnson works. Just have to throw in those 2 first rounders.

[Ralphb07]

I'm a bigger fan of Avery Bradley over Crowder. I think you can get more value in a trade for him or if you keep him which I would helps the Bulls more...

Id rather get Rozier as a toss in.

Jimmy + MCW for Rozier, Brown and Amir Johnson works. Just have to throw in those 2 first rounders.

I don't think Ainge is giving you both Brooklyns picks yet alone those two plus Brown.. BK 2017 is a definite so from there is trying to get one of Brown or BK 2018. Out of the two I see Ainge more incline to offering Brown. After that it's figuring out if Zizic, Memphis pick etc and which starter they want back.. So the Bulls get either Bradley or Crowder, either BK 2018 or Brown, either Zizic or Memphis pick and 2017BK pick

[Mobby]

How about Avery Bradley/Jaylen Brown/2x1st rounder? There has to be a price.

I have a feeling Ainge understands the pressure on the organization to get a bonafide star if they are to win a championship.

I'm a bit torn, but it doesn't look like we're going anywhere, and getting a haul like Bradley/Jaylen/2 1sts would be a nice way to look to the future.

Brooklyns 2017, Memphis 2018, Jaylen Brown and Avery Bradley works if the plan is to reboot.

Actually, I'm a bit confused.

So Boston can swap with Brooklyn in '17 (this year), and then they outright receive Brooklyn's in '18.

Would it be possible for Boston to agree on a deal with the Bulls which will send out Boston/Brooklyn '17 pick (whichever is higher) before the swap actually occurs?

It seems Boston has Memphis '19.

In any case, 2 of these 3 picks and then 2 rotation players like Jaylen and Bradley works, I think.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed


I have heard, in the past, that Ainge sees Bradley as untouchable, but wondering if there's been anything to contradict that more recently.

[MC3]

I need to survive next 23 *** days and pray GarPax dont **** this franchise with trading Jimmy for scrubs. 23 *** days. I may become alcoholic by then.

[Ctownbulls]

I need to surive next 23 *** days and pray GarPax dont **** this franchise with trading Jimmy for scrubs. 23 *** days. I may become alcoholic till then.

They aren't going to get current talent in return. Best case scenario is 1-2 first rounders plus a recent lotto pick.

[coldfish]

I was unaware Crowder was only 1 year younger than Jimmy.

IMO, both Brooklyn picks plus Brown is what I would call for. Boston becomes win now without changing their core yet adding Jimmy. Chicago gets 3 top 5 picks.

Chicago might add Sacramento and their own lottery picks to that and then another Bulls lottery pick next year. That's a lot of lottery picks in a short period of time.

Fred can't coach that team though. He is just about the last guy you want coaching a bunch of young guys. The Bulls might get renamed the Chicago Bad Habits.

[cool007]

If I am ainge, I would be pretty stupid for not trading for Butler.

IMO, Celtics are very close 2nd in the east already without Butler and having Butler on the team could tip the scale in their favor for beating the Cavs in the playoffs. Not to mention Butler can guard LeBron unlike anyone else on the east (or the entire NBA not named Kawhi).

If I am ainge, I would not mind giving up both Nets picks plus Crawder/Brown/Bradley (1 of them atleast) and I would even try to get Lopez or Taz meanwhile as well.

[coldfish]

If I am ainge, I would be pretty stupid for not trading for Butler.

IMO, Celtics are very close 2nd in the east already without Butler and having Butler on the team could tip the scale in their favor for beating the Cavs in the playoffs. Not to mention Butler can guard LeBron unlike anyone else on the east (or the entire NBA not named Kawhi).

If I am ainge, I would not mind giving up both Nets picks plus Crawder/Brown/Bradley (1 of them atleast) and I would even try to get Lopez or Taz meanwhile as well.

Hmmm. I think Butler + Taj for Brown + Amir (filler) + Jerebko (filler) works. Add in the Brooklyn picks and away we go.

[Payt10]

Report: Bulls, Celtics may rekindle trade talks for Jimmy Butler
http://www.thescore.com/news/1221137



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-denzel-valentine-trying-season-20170130-story.html
According to KC

Sigh... Such a bad trade. Marcus Smart is a nothing prospect. Jae Crowder is a nice player, but not a high potential player, and the Nets picks could just as likely turn out to be the next Alex Lin or Ben McLemore than they could be the next Anthony Davis..

If I'm trading Jimmy, I want at least one semi-established young stud (like Wiggins, for example) AND a top 3 pick in the draft. I need some sort of security that even if the draft pick is a flop, the young player you got in the deal is at least All-Star caliber. Boston has zero young players that fit that description. I would be so pissed if we made a deal with Boston.

I think you're underrating the Nets pick this season. They have the worst record in the league by a whopping six games and thus are likely to stay in that spot. That puts the pick at a 41.5% chance of landing in the top two. I expect both Fultz and Ball to be far better NBA players than Wiggins, who's wildly overrated. The lowest the pick would fall is fourth, so it should yield a much better player than Len or McLemore who were drafted fifth and seventh respectively in far lesser drafts. I'd want more included but, if it were me, at the end of the day, I'm probably going to move Jimmy for a package that includes this season's Nets pick. A close to 50-50 chance of rebooting this team with Fultz or Ball is just too hard to pass up when it's hard to map out Jimmy Butler ever leading the Bulls to a championship absent some miracle that lands the team another star.

Regardless of what pick they get, you're taking a huge gamble anytime you trade away one of the 10 best players in this league for unresolved draft picks. The likelihood of that pick becoming a better player than Jimmy Butler is right now is not great. This is why I would never trade Butler in the middle of the season before we know how the draft lottery shapes up, and it's also why I would never trade Butler without receiving a high level prospect in addition to BKN's pick[s]. Marcus Smart, Jaylon Brown, Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley? None of those guys do much for me.

[MC3]

[Pnjguy]

Butler, Gibson, McDermott

for

Nets '17, JB, Crowder, Rozier, Amir

[R3AL1TY]

If the Bulls go the route of trading Butler, it's best to wait until the off-season since you can see how the draft picks fall and the routes other teams want to go.

[League Circles]

If the Bulls go the route of trading Butler, it's best to wait until the off-season since you can see how the draft picks fall and the routes other teams want to go.

IDK, there is risk both ways for both teams.

[bpguimaraes23]

If the Bulls go the route of trading Butler, it's best to wait until the off-season since you can see how the draft picks fall and the routes other teams want to go.

Maybe, but if the locker room drama continues (and I suspect it will), Buttler's value may decrease by the end of the season.

[bulliedog8]

If I am ainge, I would be pretty stupid for not trading for Butler.

IMO, Celtics are very close 2nd in the east already without Butler and having Butler on the team could tip the scale in their favor for beating the Cavs in the playoffs. Not to mention Butler can guard LeBron unlike anyone else on the east (or the entire NBA not named Kawhi).

If I am ainge, I would not mind giving up both Nets picks plus Crawder/Brown/Bradley (1 of them atleast) and I would even try to get Lopez or Taz meanwhile as well.

Hmmm. I think Butler + Taj for Brown + Amir (filler) + Jerebko (filler) works. Add in the Brooklyn picks and away we go.

Thats what I would do. I want taj to be on a winning team too. Would also love to get rid of Lopez long deal.

Bulls get: Brown, Amir, Zeller, Jerebko, 2 nets picks
Celtics get: Taj Butler and Lopez.

Celtics get their defense and rebounding, plus their star to go with isaiah without blowing up the team at all.

[LordBaldric]

Those Brooklyn picks are golden. Getting those for Jimmy should make everyone do backflips. Anyone expecting more than that is flat out delusional. In fact I'd expect less, like Brown plus the 2017 pick.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Both Brooklyn picks - Brown - Zizic

[biggestbullsfan]

I just dont want to deal with the Celtics. It makes me feel unclean.

Also, knowing that the only deals they like to make are lopsided in their favor doesn't help.

And this team doesnt have a great track record with drafting. We got lucky a few times. Not so much lately.