The Trade Thread II

[rcklsscognition]

I really think we wind up with T. Ross for Ibaka. Ross is a 3pt trigger puller which we lack. He is 27th in the league I think in 3s per 100 possessions. While it doesn't make us much better, I think the restructuring of the team around AG at the PF and Ross at the SF would help ease our scoring deficiencies a bit. But we'd still be struggling for the 8th seed next year and we need to realize that is likely the outcome of anything short of signing Hayward this summer. Whether we do it with or without a future superstar via the draft is up to Hennigan.

We enter the summer with 2 PGs and 2 SFs and a draft where we will take either a PG or a SF. That allows us to trade or move EP/DJ/Mario sometime next season.

[Jameerthefear]

It will be so hard to clean this mess of a roster with so much garbage, old , proven bad vets on long deals.
Looking at players that Magic should look to move: Ibaka- teams can wait for 2 and half months and get him in FA.
Vučević needs specific roster around him to save him from pick&roll defense. It's hard to do that in middle of a season.
Nobody will touch Biyombo and his 4 years deal.
Nobody will touch Augustin who was bounced around 5 teams in few years because he simply isn't good. He shoots WAAY too much for backup PG and can't defend. How he got multi year deal is still beyond me.
Green is just awful deal in year where not a single team needs expiring deal.

So Magic , in order to move any of them, need to use pick or young player(s) to make better offers, and that would be suicide because they actually only have 3 young player (after 4 years of lottery ). Play it simple , that Harris trade ruined team, than they went in overkill with Ibaka trade and awful FA where they just collected bunch of 30 years old garbage .

I know you're a Mario fan so you feel the need to act like Orlando is the worst franchise in NBA history but this isn't really true. If we keep losing there's a way out for us. One pick could turn this around. It's not going to be "hard" to make changes. We just have to end the bad ones right now.

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[pepe1991]

It will be so hard to clean this mess of a roster with so much garbage, old , proven bad vets on long deals.
Looking at players that Magic should look to move: Ibaka- teams can wait for 2 and half months and get him in FA.
Vučević needs specific roster around him to save him from pick&roll defense. It's hard to do that in middle of a season.
Nobody will touch Biyombo and his 4 years deal.
Nobody will touch Augustin who was bounced around 5 teams in few years because he simply isn't good. He shoots WAAY too much for backup PG and can't defend. How he got multi year deal is still beyond me.
Green is just awful deal in year where not a single team needs expiring deal.

So Magic , in order to move any of them, need to use pick or young player(s) to make better offers, and that would be suicide because they actually only have 3 young player (after 4 years of lottery ). Play it simple , that Harris trade ruined team, than they went in overkill with Ibaka trade and awful FA where they just collected bunch of 30 years old garbage .

I know you're a Mario fan so you feel the need to act like Orlando is the worst franchise in NBA history but this isn't really true. If we keep losing there's a way out for us. One pick could turn this around. It's not going to be "hard" to make changes. We just have to end the bad ones right now.

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I'm Magic fan since Giricek days, when i was 11 years old, going waaaay back in 2003. I like Hezonja, loved him here i Croatia but dude probably ruined his career by going too early in Barcelona.
Magic are not worst runned organisation in NBA, but they are top 5 worst. I mean who is worst and in worst situation than Magic? Nets, maybe Kings? Who else? Suns- no, T wolves- no, Bucks-no ? Who ? Lakers? Maybe.
Again, you say " if they keep losing there's a way out for us" , there was same way out last year but team went in other direction. Don't you see lineups ? They are not thinking about tanking ,they are winning as much as they can, they rushed their $17M investment in first year of 5 years deal just to win as much games as they can .

btw let's say Magic end up with 8# pick. It will be some combo guard, probably SG ,right ? Draft is filled with guards. Will team trade Evan or he will end up having same faith as Mario being buried under army of vets ? They literally got top 5 pick last year and refuse to play him, why would having another top 5 pick change anything ? Didn't you see all rumors about Magic " trading for wing scorer" , it will just be another body who will play over rookie.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

[Shady Franchise]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I wouldn't call Crabbe "lights out". He's too inconsistent right now. For the record, though, I am not against this trade, and like the idea of Crabbe pushing Fournier to the bench.

[tiderulz]

It will be so hard to clean this mess of a roster with so much garbage, old , proven bad vets on long deals.
Looking at players that Magic should look to move: Ibaka- teams can wait for 2 and half months and get him in FA.
Vučević needs specific roster around him to save him from pick&roll defense. It's hard to do that in middle of a season.
Nobody will touch Biyombo and his 4 years deal.
Nobody will touch Augustin who was bounced around 5 teams in few years because he simply isn't good. He shoots WAAY too much for backup PG and can't defend. How he got multi year deal is still beyond me.
Green is just awful deal in year where not a single team needs expiring deal.

So Magic , in order to move any of them, need to use pick or young player(s) to make better offers, and that would be suicide because they actually only have 3 young player (after 4 years of lottery ). Play it simple , that Harris trade ruined team, than they went in overkill with Ibaka trade and awful FA where they just collected bunch of 30 years old garbage .

I know you're a Mario fan so you feel the need to act like Orlando is the worst franchise in NBA history but this isn't really true. If we keep losing there's a way out for us. One pick could turn this around. It's not going to be "hard" to make changes. We just have to end the bad ones right now.

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I'm Magic fan since Giricek days, when i was 11 years old, going waaaay back in 2003. I like Hezonja, loved him here i Croatia but dude probably ruined his career by going too early in Barcelona.
Magic are not worst runned organisation in NBA, but they are top 5 worst. I mean who is worst and in worst situation than Magic? Nets, maybe Kings? Who else? Suns- no, T wolves- no, Bucks-no ? Who ? Lakers? Maybe.
Again, you say " if they keep losing there's a way out for us" , there was same way out last year but team went in other direction. Don't you see lineups ? They are not thinking about tanking ,they are winning as much as they can, they rushed their $17M investment in first year of 5 years deal just to win as much games as they can .

btw let's say Magic end up with 8# pick. It will be some combo guard, probably SG ,right ? Draft is filled with guards. Will team trade Evan or he will end up having same faith as Mario being buried under army of vets ? They literally got top 5 pick last year and refuse to play him, why would having another top 5 pick change anything ? Didn't you see all rumors about Magic " trading for wing scorer" , it will just be another body who will play over rookie.

to be fair, they got a top-5 pick who put up very pedestrian shooting numbers. 43% from the floor, 35% from 3. those arent sharp shooting numbers. to compare, JJ Redick, who didnt play 20mpg until his 4th year, at least shot the 3 ball well at 39%. His career doesnt seem ruined, so with Mario not playing huge minutes right now, im not going to go crazy about it

[tiderulz]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

the question is, can Crabbe shoot that well when people arent doubling onto CJ or Lillard? Now im not expecting him to come here and be a #1 option, and he shouldnt. Everything i have seen about him says that he is a jump shooter, handles a bit shaky and cant create for himself. it would definitely be a risk, especially with that contract.

[Nemesis21]

As much as some don't like Biz contract, he's not in the top ten 2017 untradeable contracts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

[Nemesis21]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

Pass, don't want Crabbe or Vonleh

[PennytoShaq]

As much as some don't like Biz contract, he's not in the top ten 2017 untradeable contracts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

Nope, but some people here will complain anyway, mainly because they don't understand the financial makeup of this team.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

Pass, don't want Crabbe or Vonleh

Fair enough. Would you rather have Ross + Powell + Toronto pick?

[nymets1]

If we were able to land a big guy like Demarcus Cousins, Without anybody mentioning we are unlikely to get him or we have no chance at him, etc. The point is IF it happened and we got Demarcus, maybe we can do when we made the run to the Nba finals the 1 year with Dwight Howard and surrounded Dwight with shooters.

Demarcus Cousins surrounded by shooters could be better than Dwight surrounded by shooters. Yes we probably unlikely to trade for Cousins, But we should still try all out to land him and offer everything we have.


The Orlando Magic front office is still debating whether they see Aaron Gordon as a small forward or power forward in the future.
After acquiring both Serge Ibaka and Bismack Biyombo this offseason, Orlando decided to move Gordon from power forward, which he had played his whole career, to small forward. The results haven't been overly encouraging. "As it relates to Aaron, we are sort of in constant debate in the office about where is the best place to play Aaron," GM Rob Hennigan said. "We don’t really see Aaron as a stone-cold 3 or a stone-cold 4, we see him as just a forward... That is something we are really evaluating." The best scenario for Gordon's fantasy value would be Orlando trading Serge Ibaka, which would open up plenty of additional playing time. Jan 31 - 9:24 AM
Source: Orlando Magic Daily

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2313/aaron-gordon

[ZeusIsLoose]

As much as some don't like Biz contract, he's not in the top ten 2017 untradeable contracts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

Gotta be the 11th worst then

[Blue_and_Whte]

As much as some don't like Biz contract, he's not in the top ten 2017 untradeable contracts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

Oh well.. That's a relief.....

[BCS]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

Pass, don't want Crabbe or Vonleh

I don't think this trade is really about Crabbe or Vonleh, it's really about the pick, that is the main asset.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

Pass, don't want Crabbe or Vonleh

I don't think this trade is really about Crabbe or Vonleh, it's really about the pick, that is the main asset.

EXACTLY

That pick would have a lot of potential if indeed it's only top 5 protected.

[Blue_and_Whte]

We don't need to trade anybody especially if they would slightly improve us. A Dragic trade is my worst nightmare right now. He would instantaneously turn us into a treadmill team just like he's doing for Miami

[ZeusIsLoose]

Pass, don't want Crabbe or Vonleh

I don't think this trade is really about Crabbe or Vonleh, it's really about the pick, that is the main asset.

EXACTLY

That pick would have a lot of potential if indeed it's only top 5 protected.

Your assuming Ibaka doesn't make them better. What if he does and no longer lottery pick.

[rcklsscognition]

As much as some don't like Biz contract, he's not in the top ten 2017 untradeable contracts.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/244728/10-Least-Tradable-Contracts-Of-2017

Let's keep this link and see how many of these guys Hennigan can grab in the next few weeks.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I don't think this trade is really about Crabbe or Vonleh, it's really about the pick, that is the main asset.

EXACTLY

That pick would have a lot of potential if indeed it's only top 5 protected.

Your assuming Ibaka doesn't make them better. What if he does and no longer lottery pick.

Still better than any pick any team can offer for this draft that were rumored interested in Ibaka.