Political Roundtable Part XII

[AFM]

I'd love to know how you wound up with your current political stances, nate. I.e. what your history is in politics. How deep your actual interest is. I'm not suggesting it isn't quite deep, btw, but participating in an online message board obviously wouldn't convey that.

Honestly, my interest isn't in finding another way to argue with you. I just really really don't understand how folks get to where you are politically. I.e. unless they were raised around these beliefs & commitments. Doesn't mean there aren't routes to it that could be understood (e.g. discussed), but at present I truly don't understand.

I'm really curious about this too. From nate in particular since he seems the sort to be able to forensically deconstruct the history of his prejudices, but really from anybody. Seems an interesting question.

I just don't like anyone whose skin is any darker than mine. Even a slightly tanned sorority girl disgusts me.

[montestewart]

I'll add that when a man tried to rush the stage to harm or kill Trump during his campaign, CNN gave him a platform on national TV the very next day to justify his actions. Could you imagine the outrage if Fox News granted an interview to someone who just tried to assassinate Obama? The universe would implode!

Other than rushing the stage, what evidence was there that he intended "to harm or kill Trump"? His stated intent was to grab the mike and disrupt the event, and he was appropriately arrested. He was given one year of probation, a $250 fine, and ordered to stay away from the Republican National Convention in Cleveland. Maybe he shouldn't have been on the news, but from what you're saying, it sounds like there's still a pretty wide disparity of views regarding his intent, so it seems reasonable to go to a primary source to get some information. Perhaps there was another incident I haven't heard about?

He absolutely should not have been in the news. If the same thing had happened with Obama, there would be never-ending condemnation of Fox News giving him a platform.

You're probably right about the "never-ending condemnation," but in either case, it doesn't mean the event is not newsworthy or meriting an interview. If someone did something similar at an Obama event (say an anti-abortion activist), and it was clearly not an assassination attempt (in which case I assume they would be in jail and not giving interviews), some people might want to know about motivations, thought process, etc. Even factoring in partisanship and ratings, it still might be a legitimate news item.

[montestewart]

I'd love to know how you wound up with your current political stances, nate. I.e. what your history is in politics. How deep your actual interest is. I'm not suggesting it isn't quite deep, btw, but participating in an online message board obviously wouldn't convey that.

Honestly, my interest isn't in finding another way to argue with you. I just really really don't understand how folks get to where you are politically. I.e. unless they were raised around these beliefs & commitments. Doesn't mean there aren't routes to it that could be understood (e.g. discussed), but at present I truly don't understand.

I'm really curious about this too. From nate in particular since he seems the sort to be able to forensically deconstruct the history of his prejudices, but really from anybody. Seems an interesting question.

I just don't like anyone whose skin is any darker than mine. Even a slightly tanned sorority girl disgusts me.

Aw, man, Slightly Tanned Sorority Girls is one of my favorite sites.

[nate33]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

[AFM]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Pretty surprising coming from the Daily Wire. For those unaware, Ben Shapiro started The Daily Wire after Breitbart turned Pro-Trump.

[nate33]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Pretty surprising coming from the Daily Wire. For those unaware, Ben Shapiro started The Daily Wire after Breitbart turned Pro-Trump.

The author, John Nolte, has stayed pretty pro Trump though.

[AFM]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Pretty surprising coming from the Daily Wire. For those unaware, Ben Shapiro started The Daily Wire after Breitbart turned Pro-Trump.

The author, John Nolte, has stayed pretty pro Trump though.

Ah, makes sense. My bad.

[closg00]

In 2015 there were 78 attacks on mosques in America. Hundreds in Europe.

Placing even partial blame on a Trump administration in power for all of 10 days is intellectually dishonest at best.

I wasn't placing blame at all, just noting the hypocritical non-reaction. Canadians are our cousins. If a jihadist had carried out this exact same attack against Christians, the Orange one would have been all puffed-up and in-front of cameras.

[Doug_Blew]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Yep! blame the media!

The first bullet in the list says the "ENTIRE" media lies about Muslim ban. I assume he's not including
Breitbart.

2nd bullet is about cnn lieing about ratings. That seems very similar to Trump lieing about his crowd size and winning the popular vote. But that's not important.

#4 references the single most dishonest member of the media he's ever come across.

This list seems very subjective.

[montestewart]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Pretty surprising coming from the Daily Wire. For those unaware, Ben Shapiro started The Daily Wire after Breitbart turned Pro-Trump.

My impression was that the split happened over Breitbart's failure to back up their own reporter when she was assaulted by Trump's campaign manager. Maybe that was just the culmination simmering differences, but Shapiro seems ambitious, and landing Nolte probably looked like a coup for Daily Wire (which doesn't seem to have a strikingly different ideological bent).

[Induveca]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

The lies are so blatant, and they just keep flying. I'm concerned that so many fellow citizens are spreading the endless stream of propaganda with such glee and increasing violent rhetoric.

Bizarre times.

[Doug_Blew]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Yep! blame the media!

The first bullet in the list says the "ENTIRE" media lies about Muslim ban. I assume he's not including
Breitbart.

2nd bullet is about cnn lieing about ratings. That seems very similar to Trump lieing about his crowd size and winning the popular vote. But that's not important.

#4 references the single most dishonest member of the media he's ever come across.

This list seems very subjective.

I didn't even get to number 6 when i posted.

AP Reports that Trump's Vote Fraud Expert is Registered in Three States misleading readers that he committed voter fraud.

Trump is basing his 3 million discrepent votes on this same theory.

[Induveca]

The original plan was to compile a list of the national media's Fake News only as needed -- but no more often than once a week. Unfortunately, our MSM has done so much lying in the last 5 days, I started to worry that I could lose track. Simply put, the last few days have been a fire hose of Fake News.

Read everything below, and then try to make an argument that Steve Bannon isn't 100% correct about the national media being the opposition party.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Yep! blame the media!

The first bullet in the list says the "ENTIRE" media lies about Muslim ban. I assume he's not including
Breitbart.

2nd bullet is about cnn lieing about ratings. That seems very similar to Trump lieing about his crowd size and winning the popular vote. But that's not important.

#4 references the single most dishonest member of the media he's ever come across.

This list seems very subjective.

There were nearly 20 examples with references of how the blatant the falsehoods are, and that's the extent of your response?

Pure rage against accused Trump supporter "stupidity" will get you nowhere, but will certainly turn the states thst went red an even deeper shade.

Keep on raging, and hyping lies. It's quickly destroying the Democratic Party.

[Doug_Blew]

There were nearly 20 examples with references of how the blatant the falsehoods are, and that's the extent of your response?

Pure rage against accuses Trump supporter "stupidity" will get you nowhere, but will certainly turn the states thst went red an even deeper shade.

Keep on raging, and hyping lies. It's quickly destroying the Democratic Party.

i thought you guys would see the humor in this list as well. It really is hard for me to take this list seriously. The right constantly blames the media of lieing but cannot admit that our President lies.

Here's number 5. How is this a lie?

EXTRAORDINARY Lies of Omission About Foreign-Born Threats to America

In their push for a narrative, Fake News oftentimes comes from what the media intentionally fails to report. The lack of context is purposeful in pursuit of their destroy-Trump agenda. Here is what you are not being told about the very real threat of foreign-born terrorists:

[DCZards]

He absolutely should not have been in the news. If the same thing had happened with Obama, there would be never-ending condemnation of Fox News giving him a platform.

During the 8 years of the Obama Administration, Fox News gave a platform to Obama haters who were at least as mean-spirited, biased and harmful to our nation's interests as the guy who rushed the stage when Trump was speaking.

[montestewart]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13001/omg-list-last-week-msm-spread-much-fake-news-john-nolte#.WJDbGHpPKSY.twitter

Yep! blame the media!

The first bullet in the list says the "ENTIRE" media lies about Muslim ban. I assume he's not including
Breitbart.

2nd bullet is about cnn lieing about ratings. That seems very similar to Trump lieing about his crowd size and winning the popular vote. But that's not important.

#4 references the single most dishonest member of the media he's ever come across.

This list seems very subjective.

There were nearly 20 examples with references of how the blatant the falsehoods are, and that's the extent of your response?

Pure rage against accused Trump supporter "stupidity" will get you nowhere, but will certainly turn the states thst went red an even deeper shade.

Keep on raging, and hyping lies. It's quickly destroying the Democratic Party.

Did he say anything about Trump supporter stupidity? Where did that come from? Is it now implied anytime someone questions anything said by Trump or PTM?

Further, why do so many Trump supporters characterize any objection to Trump or PTM as "rage" or similar? Is that just a way to readily dismiss without consideration as irrational any objection at all, no matter how well-stated, well-reasoned, or well-supported? It sounds a little...hysterical.

[nate33]

He absolutely should not have been in the news. If the same thing had happened with Obama, there would be never-ending condemnation of Fox News giving him a platform.

During the 8 years of the Obama Administration, Fox News gave a platform to Obama haters who were at least as mean-spirited, biased and harmful to our nation's interests as the guy who rushed the stage when Trump was speaking.

Do you honestly believe this? Are you this removed from reality? Give me one example of Fox News giving a platform to somebody who attacked Obama, or even threatened to attack Obama.

[nate33]

Further, why do so many Trump supporters characterize any objection to Trump or PTM as "rage" or similar? Is that just a way to readily dismiss without consideration as irrational any objection at all, no matter how well-stated, well-reasoned, or well-supported? It sounds a little...hysterical.

Welcome to the club, montestewart. For an entire campaign, Trump supporters were labeled as "angry", or the "angry white man". Only Trump demonstrators never actually set fires to cars, attacked people, burned flags, threw eggs at people, blocked traffic, threw rocks and police, or otherwise disrupted and terrorized entire communities. Democrat protestors actually do these things regularly.

[Wizardspride]

I'd love to know how you wound up with your current political stances, nate. I.e. what your history is in politics. How deep your actual interest is. I'm not suggesting it isn't quite deep, btw, but participating in an online message board obviously wouldn't convey that.

Honestly, my interest isn't in finding another way to argue with you. I just really really don't understand how folks get to where you are politically. I.e. unless they were raised around these beliefs & commitments. Doesn't mean there aren't routes to it that could be understood (e.g. discussed), but at present I truly don't understand.

I'm really curious about this too. From nate in particular since he seems the sort to be able to forensically deconstruct the history of his prejudices, but really from anybody. Seems an interesting question.

It is an interesting question...but I doubt you'll get a response.

[Wizardspride]

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