Butler trade rumor - KC Johnson update: pg 63

[Bluewaterheaven]

If I'm the Celtics, I don't include Crowder. You still been him to be the 3D wing that can play off Jimmy and IT. Also, he can defend Lebron.

Better for us anyway. We getting Crowder will be actually worse since he gets us a lot of win we shouldnt win. Unless his leadership (doubt he has much presence since he and Butler were teammates) is super impactful to the rookies, I dont want him. I just want the damn 2BKN picks.

He makes a great asset to trade for more picks though.... You could probably get an unprotected 1st from a lot of teams for him.

[ATRAIN53]

My biggest issue with trading him for picks is that GarPax have not had a great history with drafting picks. I don't really trust them to make the right decision between Fultz or Smith and make the right pick 2 years in a row. Odds of them hitting jackpot twice are miniscule at best.

I haven't seen enough Jaylen Brown to say I'd rather have him than Butler, but if you look at that kids game logs, he seems to be able to get to the FT stripe......

[Mech Engineer]

It would just piss me off to see Butler raise a title on some other team. Jimmy is certainly young enough that we regret this for years.

If we honestly didn't have GarPax, I would feel totally different about this. But they are here.

We are trapped in a bad inception dream.

Not just that...I want no part of helping the Celtics or Cavs whoever. The goal is to win at all costs. It is sick to even consider helping a team like Boston. I don't think Jerry will approve helping the Celtics move towards winning a championship.

Looking at these trades, most of them are crap. Giving up Jimmy for a couple of 20 year olds hoping on dumb luck and planning to suck is the thought process of a failing/imbecile FO.

[Payt10]

Jae Crowder strikes me as the type of guy that would become a problem in the locker room on a losing team. I've never been much of a fan of his "tough guy" persona he tries to emulate during games all the time. Whenever I see people on the court that always look to pick fights, It immediately raises some alarm bells about their mental toughness.

[DroseReturnChi]

It would just piss me off to see Butler raise a title on some other team. Jimmy is certainly young enough that we regret this for years.

If we honestly didn't have GarPax, I would feel totally different about this. But they are here.

We are trapped in a bad inception dream.

It does kind of looks bad for the Bulls if Boston won a championship this year but Butler deserves a better team and I am sure he understands when he gets traded. Simply, he was just too good for the team and the rest couldnt catch up to his level/ intensity.
Wish Butler had this MJ ability to make players better when he punched Kerr to become the player we all know.

[Gant]

The Bulls and Celtics don't need to deal with each other. If Butler's available, the Bulls will get many offers. The Celtics will get more offers than anyone for their assets. The Celtics don't have to make a trade; if it comes down to it, they'll be fine if they just use those picks. (They probably would have to do a smaller follow up trade, depending on who they draft.)

Here's an article from the very reliable Steve Bulpett about potential Celtic trade deals including speculation about Carmelo, the Magic, and Butler:

Which brings us to the Bulls, who almost certainly have to rethink things after last week’s upheaval. Critical comments toward teammates from Jimmy Butler and Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo’s reply have left too many questions. It’s hard to fathom how Chicago can simply continue on the present path.

The Celtics have gone after Butler before, and no doubt they’d still be on the list of suitors if the Bulls make him available.

more here: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/bulpett_if_an_nba_blockbuster_occurs_look_for_celtics_to_be_involved?utm_campaign=bostonherald_trending_stories&utm_source=bostonherald&utm_medium=trending_stories

[TheSuzerain]

My biggest issue with trading him for picks is that GarPax have not had a great history with drafting picks. I don't really trust them to make the right decision between Fultz or Smith and make the right pick 2 years in a row. Odds of them hitting jackpot twice are miniscule at best.

I haven't seen enough Jaylen Brown to say I'd rather have him than Butler, but if you look at that kids game logs, he seems to be able to get to the FT stripe......

I mean, they have had a great history with drafting picks. We have been basically the best drafting team in the league during their tenure. Top 3 at worst.

[DroseReturnChi]

The Bulls and Celtics don't need to deal with each other. If Butler's available, the Bulls will get many offers. The Celtics will get more offers than anyone for their assets. The Celtics don't have to make a trade; if it comes down to it, they'll be fine if they just use those picks. (They probably would have to do a smaller follow up trade, depending on who they draft.)

Here's an article from the very reliable Steve Bulpett about potential Celtic trade deals including speculation about Carmelo, the Magic, and Butler:

Which brings us to the Bulls, who almost certainly have to rethink things after last week’s upheaval. Critical comments toward teammates from Jimmy Butler and Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo’s reply have left too many questions. It’s hard to fathom how Chicago can simply continue on the present path.

The Celtics have gone after Butler before, and no doubt they’d still be on the list of suitors if the Bulls make him available.

more here: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/bulpett_if_an_nba_blockbuster_occurs_look_for_celtics_to_be_involved?utm_campaign=bostonherald_trending_stories&utm_source=bostonherald&utm_medium=trending_stories

This is true and they are conference rivals but to me, Boston and Bulls are perfect trade partners. Boston has everything Bulls want and vice versa. Ainge just needs to stop thinking about "How do I exploit this Gar" and be willing to part with the picks.

[Gant]

The Bulls and Celtics don't need to deal with each other. If Butler's available, the Bulls will get many offers. The Celtics will get more offers than anyone for their assets. The Celtics don't have to make a trade; if it comes down to it, they'll be fine if they just use those picks. (They probably would have to do a smaller follow up trade, depending on who they draft.)

Here's an article from the very reliable Steve Bulpett about potential Celtic trade deals including speculation about Carmelo, the Magic, and Butler:

Which brings us to the Bulls, who almost certainly have to rethink things after last week’s upheaval. Critical comments toward teammates from Jimmy Butler and Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo’s reply have left too many questions. It’s hard to fathom how Chicago can simply continue on the present path.

The Celtics have gone after Butler before, and no doubt they’d still be on the list of suitors if the Bulls make him available.

more here: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/01/bulpett_if_an_nba_blockbuster_occurs_look_for_celtics_to_be_involved?utm_campaign=bostonherald_trending_stories&utm_source=bostonherald&utm_medium=trending_stories

This is true and they are conference rivals but to me, Boston and Bulls are perfect trade partners. Boston has everything Bulls want and vice versa. Ainge just needs to stop thinking about "How do I exploit this Gar" and be willing to part with the picks.

That makes sense, but they have to come to an agreement and there might be no common ground. If you have very top picks in this draft which is guard heavy, and next year which is big man heavy, you really have to consider just using them and building that way.

Imagine if the Bulls had the next two Nets picks. How difficult would it be to pry them away?

[fleet]

I was unaware Crowder was only 1 year younger than Jimmy.

IMO, both Brooklyn picks plus Brown is what I would call for. Boston becomes win now without changing their core yet adding Jimmy. Chicago gets 3 top 5 picks.

Chicago might add Sacramento and their own lottery picks to that and then another Bulls lottery pick next year. That's a lot of lottery picks in a short period of time.

Fred can't coach that team though. He is just about the last guy you want coaching a bunch of young guys. The Bulls might get renamed the Chicago Bad Habits.

Time for Skiles to step back in

[ArizonaBullsFan]

I've maintained that I'm 100% against trading Jimmy, but I guess it's really 99% as I would do it for a Herschel Walker type deal.

Jimmy and Canaan
for
Tyler Zeller, Kelly Olynyk and James Young (all expiring, but I would want to re-sign Olynyk)

They would have to give us:
Ante Zizic (#23 pick in 2016)
BKN 2017
BKN 2018
MIN 2017 2nd round
DET 2019 2nd round
MIA 2020 2nd round

Lopez for Amir Johnson

Grant for Demetrius Jackson

Yes, it's a lot of picks to give up, but Ainge is getting a top-10 player without touching any of his top-5 players. If he doesn't like it, he can take his chances in free agency.

[ATRAIN53]

I think Crowder is part of the Celtics draw to Jimmy - they played together at Marquette and they are still very good friends and players like to play with their friends.

[fleet]

As much as the White Sox are selling a full rebuild, all they have done is trade Sale and Eaton, the two Laroche boys. So far, the Sox rebuild is a headfake. And now the Jimmy talk again. This, after the Rose deal. It almost feels like Reinsdorf is saying, I'm too old for this ****. Dump all my smart asses and problem childs.

[tgmxd]

I will be extremely unhappy if the Bulls trade Butler. The Cubs have made rebuilding sexy, but this is not baseball.

You do not trade a top 10 player who is still ascending in the NBA unless the player forces your hand. Jimmy can't do that. We still haven't even seen this guy's ceiling.

Fire everybody else if you have to. You don't give up a two-way superstar in the NBA.

[MisterRoy]

I will be extremely unhappy if the Bulls trade Butler. The Cubs have made rebuilding sexy, but this is not baseball.

You do not trade a top 10 player who is still ascending in the NBA unless the player forces your hand. Jimmy can't do that. We still haven't even seen this guy's ceiling.

Fire everybody else if you have to. You don't give up a two-way superstar in the NBA.

I will talk about trades but this is how i truly feel. Plus, I don't see any way where we win any trade with Butler.


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[samwana]

My biggest issue with trading him for picks is that GarPax have not had a great history with drafting picks. I don't really trust them to make the right decision between Fultz or Smith and make the right pick 2 years in a row. Odds of them hitting jackpot twice are miniscule at best.

I haven't seen enough Jaylen Brown to say I'd rather have him than Butler, but if you look at that kids game logs, he seems to be able to get to the FT stripe......

I mean, they have had a great history with drafting picks. We have been basically the best drafting team in the league during their tenure. Top 3 at worst.

Dude if you look at the last 5 years we may be the worst drafting team. It's all about which time frame you choose.

[TheGOATRises007]

I will be extremely unhappy if the Bulls trade Butler. The Cubs have made rebuilding sexy, but this is not baseball.

You do not trade a top 10 player who is still ascending in the NBA unless the player forces your hand. Jimmy can't do that. We still haven't even seen this guy's ceiling.

Fire everybody else if you have to. You don't give up a two-way superstar in the NBA.

This x100.

A two way superstar on a GREAT contract as well. He doesn't hinder you at all in terms of building a great team around him.

[samwana]

Problem is GarPax are going nowhere, there lays the root of the problem.

[DuckIII]

No team has any leverage over the Bulls when it comes to a Jimmy trade. I expect fair value in return, which to me, isn't an unresolved draft pick and a mediocre-to-bad prospect.

Timing also is a part of this. Each year the Bulls keep Butler after this one, his value will start to decline because he will get older and closer to free agency every season.

[DuckIII]

And the Bulls have loads of leverage. Butler is locked up through his prime.

On a value deal, I might add.

They have a good amount of leverage from now until the 2017 NBA draft. After that it begins to decline. And after the 2017-2018 trade deadline their leverage will take a nosedive. Because after that teams will value Butler as a guy they only have locked up for one postseason run.

Today, comparatively, if you trade for Butler you have him for three postseasons.