The Boogie Watch

[Kerrsed]

Take Miami's pick, our 1st and Warren + Len. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm tired of losing.

I would rather give up our 17 & 18 than give up our 17 and Miami's 18.

I think we have a better shot at making the playoffs with Cousins than Miami does next season, so that Miami pick will end up being more valuable.

Yeah, that's fine too. Gambo said the Sac insider said that Warren, Len + our first wasn't enough. He suggested us throwing in Chriss. My point is that I want to keep Chriss and Bender and would rather mortgage a future first instead.

Thats just being greedy. It takes good players to get good players. It takes MULTIPLE good players to get a great player, and Cousins is a great player. Trust me when i say that it will take one of Chriss or Bender to even keep the talks going. Here we have 2 youngsters that are fighting over the same minutes at the same position, which also happens to be the position that Cousins would play on our team. In the long run keeping both would really do nothing for both of their developments as there wouldnt be nearly enough minutes to go around. Then they just sit on the roster, under developed and under played, which in turn ends up killing their trade value 2-3 years down the line. You get what you can for them while you can and before their value goes into the tank by taking on one of the best bigs currently in the league.

Len/Warren/Chriss (or Bender)/2017 1st/2018 1st for Cousins.

We Still would have plenty of youngsters (Booker/Bender (or Chriss)/Ulis), and future rookies from the Miami picks, thus its not like we are hedging our future that much at all.

[SC923]

I think this trade could really turn around the team without selling putting a complete dent into our future. Even with Warren, Len '17 first rounder and either heat pick (which still may not be enough) our starting lineup would look like:
Bledsoe, Booker, Tucker, Chriss, Cousins
It is no guarantee that we can make up ground and sneak into the playoffs but I think the biggest concern should be building chemistry and roles for a team that should be looking to compete from the start of next year.
I think we could land a wing like Hayward or even Gallo.
The lineup of Bled, Booker, Hayward/Gallo, Tucker (for experience), Cousins should be in competition for the 2-3 seed.
Bled, Hayward and Demarcus are all either 26 and 27 and should be able to put up big numbers for the next 5 years at least. Not to mention a future superstar who is only 20 along with 2 19 year olds.
I understand all of this is far fetched but its always fun to imagine.

[BobbieL]

If we can get Cousins without trading Booker, Bledsoe, Chriss and Bender, you do it. I'm all in.

Would Sacramento do it? I don't see any reason why they wouldn't.


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The thing is - if its Len, Warren, Chriss and this years pick - that is a damn good deal for the Suns
A damn good deal

But Boogie is a head case but for that low of a price - why not do it. Dudley, Bledsoe, Watson, Chandler - would have to be all over that guy. I don't think in Sac town - he has that alpha player to keep him in line

Trade Tucker - get something back
if you could move knight for cap space.

Len is a free agent - he is going to cost money. I don't see the value. If need be and the Celtics were willing, Tyson for Amir makes sense as that is an expiring and could be back up next year.

[sleepyvato]

I wouldn't include Bender in the deal as I believe he has the highest ceiling out of all our rookies and thankfully I don't think we would have to since Chriss should look more appealing to the Kings right now. Len, Warren, Chriss, our 2017 first and 2018 first would be as high as I would go for Cousins but only if he agrees to an extension in advance.

[jcsunsfan]

I would rather give up our 17 & 18 than give up our 17 and Miami's 18.

I think we have a better shot at making the playoffs with Cousins than Miami does next season, so that Miami pick will end up being more valuable.

Yeah, that's fine too. Gambo said the Sac insider said that Warren, Len + our first wasn't enough. He suggested us throwing in Chriss. My point is that I want to keep Chriss and Bender and would rather mortgage a future first instead.

Thats just being greedy. It takes good players to get good players. It takes MULTIPLE good players to get a great player, and Cousins is a great player. Trust me when i say that it will take one of Chriss or Bender to even keep the talks going. Here we have 2 youngsters that are fighting over the same minutes at the same position, which also happens to be the position that Cousins would play on our team. In the long run keeping both would really do nothing for both of their developments as there wouldnt be nearly enough minutes to go around. Then they just sit on the roster, under developed and under played, which in turn ends up killing their trade value 2-3 years down the line. You get what you can for them while you can and before their value goes into the tank by taking on one of the best bigs currently in the league.

Len/Warren/Chriss (or Bender)/2017 1st/2018 1st for Cousins.

We Still would have plenty of youngsters (Booker/Bender (or Chriss)/Ulis), and future rookies from the Miami picks, thus its not like we are hedging our future that much at all.

Good grief. I am glad you are not doing our negotiating for us. Remember that Cousins only has one year left on his deal. He could walk right back to the Kings if he wanted. Remember Antonio McDyess?

[Kerrsed]

Good grief. I am glad you are not doing our negotiating for us. Remember that Cousins only has one year left on his deal. He could walk right back to the Kings if he wanted. Remember Antonio McDyess?

If you think we are talking to the Kings WITHOUT getting some kind of guarantee from Cousins, then you are crazy. There is absolutely no deal if he isnt guaranteeing to re-sign with us.

[jcsunsfan]

Good grief. I am glad you are not doing our negotiating for us. Remember that Cousins only has one year left on his deal. He could walk right back to the Kings if he wanted. Remember Antonio McDyess?

If you think we are talking to the Kings WITHOUT getting some kind of guarantee from Cousins, then you are crazy. There is absolutely no deal if he isnt guaranteeing to re-sign with us.

Such a guarantee is worth nothing. It is non-binding.

[DirtyDez]

If I'm the Kings [this summer] I'm also getting the Suns 2018 1st with a right to swap with Miami. If the MIA pick falls in the top-7 they can take the Suns pick or have the right to swap in 2019.

[KLEON]

The Kings will never trade Cousins. He's the best big man in the league and the Kings need him to sell tickets.I'm pretty sure the Kings would rather build a team around him rather than trade him.

[Kerrsed]

Gambos talking about it live right now: http://arizonasports.com/streams/kmvpfm.php

[Kerrsed]

Burns nailed it. Talking to a NBA executive, the original Gambo tweet is too low. Would take another pick and one of Chriss or Bender.

Gambo also keeps mentioning his Kings source, and thats where he is getting the info. Its from someone that with the team night in and night out, so that kind of gives him more credibility.

[jcsunsfan]

I think a lot of people underestimate how much Cousins terrifies FO types around the league.

[Kerrsed]

My best guess is that what Gambo first reported, was our first offer, which is always going to be a lowball offer.

[RaisingArizona]

IMO, if Cousins didn't have baggage then he absolutely gets a kings ransom but he does and he has a year left on his deal. Those factors should lessen his worth.

[Kerrsed]

I think a lot of people underestimate how much Cousins terrifies FO types around the league.

He needs other strong mentality players around him, something we have In Chandler and Tucker and to a certain extent Bledsoe.

He is easily a 24/10 player that doesnt kill you on Defense, which is very rare. Its damn hard now a days getting your hands on all around 2 way players like him. Sure, there are guys like Kanter who can get you 20/10, but they give up just as much on the other end. Thats the difference between and All-Star player like Cousins and Kanter, who despite getting 20/10, is considered a bad contract. Al Jefferson was/is the same way.

McD has been waiting for an opportunity like this. Waiting for a disgruntled player to be somewhat available and for us to have enough assets to make the push for him, and now here we are. Sure we would be giving up quite a bit to get him, but at least you know what you are getting with him. You are getting a All-star and one of the best big men in the league over the crapshoot that is currently the 2nd pick in the draft. So we would lose Warren, alright, i can deal with that, We lose Len, who most of us wernt willing to spend money on in the offseason anyways, and i just look at that as an investment into what Cousins next super large contract will be. Chriss or Bender? They both cant get minutes currently and really wont get minutes with Cousins on board, so im fine with one of them becoming a King.

If the deal is on the table, i do it 10 out of 10 times and dont even second guess it.

[Djedefre]

I’m scared.

[carey]

The problem with this whole thing is you aren't just getting Cousins the basketball player. You're getting Cousins the person. After the Markieff Morris saga I am not anxious to add another butthole personality to our team. Read the Arnovitz article at least if you haven't. Cousins is an entitled egomaniac.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents2/is-demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-real-problem

[RaisingArizona]

I’m scared.

I'll hold you

[kennydorglas]

Oh boy, the rumor is getting stream...

Will be a very livid trade deadline I suppose

[Saberestar]

I do not want Cousins. He is a headcase and he is not that good.

I prefer to have our pick next season (probably Top 5), it is seems a good draft and we can draft a future star and pair him with Booker.

Ah, and Cousins is a bellow average defender. He does not protect the rim at all and he is slow covering the pick and roll too.

We are not talking about Westbrook or Durant here...it is Cousins, who just plays only offensively.