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kyrv wrote:RedBulls83 wrote:If I'm the Celtics, I don't include Crowder. You still been him to be the 3D wing that can play off Jimmy and IT. Also, he can defend Lebron.
I agree. Crowder is of WAY more value to Boston than he would be here.
Pnjguy wrote:Butler, Gibson, McDermott
for
Nets '17, JB, Crowder, Rozier, Amir
AirP. wrote:ArizonaBullsFan wrote:samwana wrote:Dude if you look at the last 5 years we may be the worst drafting team. It's all about which time frame you choose.
If you want to judge Paxson's draft history, you have to use his entire history back to 2003, not just the last five years.
If you want to judge GarPax's draft history, you have to go back to 2009, not just the last 5 years.
If you want to "choose a time frame", from 2003 to 2009 the Bulls were easily #2 at worst behind San Antonio (and I'd have to check their record in that time frame).
Well if you want to judge his/their draft history you have to also take in consideration Paxson had a ton of lottery picks(high lottery picks) for the first 4-6 years and don't forget that #2 overall pick in 2006. People seem to forget all those "good players" were taken in the lottery and then the happy birthday here's the #1 overall pick when they should have had the 9th.
LordBaldric wrote:Payt10 wrote:LordBaldric wrote:Those Brooklyn picks are golden. Getting those for Jimmy should make everyone do backflips. Anyone expecting more for that is flat out delusional. In fact I'd expect less, like Brown plus the 2017 pick.
The baseline for any Butler trade is what CLE had to trade for Kevin Love, which is the #1 pick + the former #1 pick from the previous season. Given the fact that Butler is currently a better and more important player than Kevin Love ever was for Minnesota, it's perfectly reasonable to ask for more in return. The BKN pick (if it's the #1 pick) + Brown is what I'd consider baseline.
Uhh. That was an exceptional situation because Cavs GM LeBron was insisting on the trade. GarPax has nowhere near that leverage. PLUS it was obvious at that point that Bennett was garbage. He was basically salary filler.
kyrv wrote:DroseReturnChi wrote:LordBaldric wrote:The Celtics don't HAVE to trade for Butler either. They aren't going to win the ring this year either way.
They dont but what other prime candidate are there other than Butler? AD?
IF i were Ainge, I would just give up the picks to increasing winning of a championship. No brainer really.
My guess is Ainge is playing the long game and I will be really surprised if they trade both Nets picks, let alone one.
Butler makes them much better. But not better than GS. So reasons to get Butler and reasons not to.
MrSparkle wrote:How many Bulls picks made the ASG between 03-08?
Answer is ZERO. Rose was the only star pick (08); Deng and Noah eventually made it as glorified role-players on a very well coached team that kept winning regular season games.
So out of 5 top-9 picks, you got 0 all-stars or top-2 option players. Thabo and Johnson were also throwaways for this team.
That's good drafting?
DuckIII wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:And the Bulls have loads of leverage. Butler is locked up through his prime.
On a value deal, I might add.
They have a good amount of leverage from now until the 2017 NBA draft. After that it begins to decline. And after the 2017-2018 trade deadline their leverage will take a nosedive. Because after that teams will value Butler as a guy they only have locked up for one postseason run.
Today, comparatively, if you trade for Butler you have him for three postseasons.
JeremyB0001 wrote:MrSparkle wrote:How many Bulls picks made the ASG between 03-08?
Answer is ZERO. Rose was the only star pick (08); Deng and Noah eventually made it as glorified role-players on a very well coached team that kept winning regular season games.
So out of 5 top-9 picks, you got 0 all-stars or top-2 option players. Thabo and Johnson were also throwaways for this team.
That's good drafting?
When you exclude the times that players did make the All-Star Team, it looks like you're bending over backwards to make the drafting look worse that it was. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just include all of the picks and all of the All-Star appearances.
SHO'NUFF wrote:We need a poll. I'd like to see where this board stands on trading Jimmy....specifically to Boston with what they can offer.
kulaz3000 wrote:SHO'NUFF wrote:We need a poll. I'd like to see where this board stands on trading Jimmy....specifically to Boston with what they can offer.
It's difficult though isn't it? Because we would only be able to speculate on the offer, without knowing exactly what they are offering?
Right now we are speculating that they would indeed offer both picks, but who knows if they are. They could very well be only offering one of BK's picks, even if it's the higher one, I still wouldn't bite on just ONE lottery pick.
SHO'NUFF wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:SHO'NUFF wrote:We need a poll. I'd like to see where this board stands on trading Jimmy....specifically to Boston with what they can offer.
It's difficult though isn't it? Because we would only be able to speculate on the offer, without knowing exactly what they are offering?
Right now we are speculating that they would indeed offer both picks, but who knows if they are. They could very well be only offering one of BK's picks, even if it's the higher one, I still wouldn't bite on just ONE lottery pick.
Personally i never knew Boston owned both Nets picks, i thought just 1. Now that i know that i would think both picks have to be involved as the Celtics don't have any young high potential players to offer. This move just sounds so right for them....the timing couldn't have been any better for both teams.
kulaz3000 wrote:JeremyB0001 wrote:MrSparkle wrote:How many Bulls picks made the ASG between 03-08?
Answer is ZERO. Rose was the only star pick (08); Deng and Noah eventually made it as glorified role-players on a very well coached team that kept winning regular season games.
So out of 5 top-9 picks, you got 0 all-stars or top-2 option players. Thabo and Johnson were also throwaways for this team.
That's good drafting?
When you exclude the times that players did make the All-Star Team, it looks like you're bending over backwards to make the drafting look worse that it was. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just include all of the picks and all of the All-Star appearances.
Yeah, I don't understand using provisions to make an argument saying the times when a player from a particular team made an All-Star team it's because of so and so. They either made the All-Star team or not. If you were to go that route of argument, you might as well use the bar of whether a player made an All-NBA team or All-Defensive team or not, and well well, Deng has made 1 x All-Defensive team and Noah 3 x All-Defensive teams and 1 x All NBA teams.
Bulls03 wrote:I'd be willing to bet Boston wouldn't be willing to give up both BKN picks for Butler.
The Force. wrote:For those opposed to trading Jimmy, what's your hypothetical scenario for the next two years? You obviously need to sign one/two big name free agents this summer to keep Jimmy happy.
Let's say we get Jrue and Ibaka resulting in a starting lineup of:
Jrue
Wade
Butler
Ibaka
RoLo
Top 5 eastern team but not better than Cleveland and still on par with Washington, Boston, etc. Hell, replace Ibaka with Blake Griffin and we still only have a puncher's chance at beating LeBron. And even if we get past him, the Warriors would destroy us in a gentleman's sweep at best.
No one is beating Golden State anytime soon so the best you can hope for is the opportunity to get your ass handed to you by either LeBron or Steph.
Sorry but I'd much rather cash Jimmy in NOW and gamble with multiple high lotto picks allowing Cleveland and GS to Duke it out over the next 3-5 years.
Pray you strike gold with at least 2 picks and attempt to build a team that will be in contention by the end of the Warrior dynasty.
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Poohdini wrote:There is no deal without both Brooklyn picks. This is more important than getting Jaylen Brown back.
ArizonaBullsFan wrote:Bulls03 wrote:I'd be willing to bet Boston wouldn't be willing to give up both BKN picks for Butler.
Then let them keep their picks and hope one of them is ready to contribute at a championship level before Thomas and Horford are too old.
Thomas turns 28 this week and Horford is 31 in June, if Ainge plans to build a championship team around those 2 he doesn't have a lot of time to do it.