Marcus Smart

OFWGKTA · Post #461 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:48 am

Dweeb wrote:He's cheeks. Awful FG percentage. They need Avery back right away

Whatever nerd

WeLikeOurGuys · Post #462 » by **WeLikeOurGuys** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 2:14 am

I think he can be a great 6th man with the ability to start some games.

He almost kind of reminds me of smaller version of Ron Artest but Marcus is a better passer.

2Mas · Post #463 » by **2Mas** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 3:10 am

BannerStatus wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:Marcus Smart, while not a baby, is still only 22.

As I have said many times, he Backs up 3 positions on Offense.
And 5 positions on Defense.

He's the Kind of 6th-Man that you want, on a team that will Contend.
And Contending, doesn't just happen overnight.

Even Michael Jordan didn't win his first Championship, until he was 28 yrs old.

Completely agree with this. The question to me though, is how much are you willing to pay for that? In this current NBA environment, I think someone will pony-up big $$$ for him with a commitment to let him start. I don't think Danny can (or would want to ) compete with a huge offer.

He's the classic "I love him at ___ $ price, I hate him at ___ $ price.

Yeah i'm with you & the only thing i'd add is that it depends where our team is when he hits RFA. If we have our studs, then i'm willing to overpay him to keep it him around.

That said, idk if hes really the glue guy you wanna waste all the cap on?

Hope ainge gets his main pieces in order & we can keep marcus as the ultimate glue guy.

DelMonte West · Post #464 » by **DelMonte West** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 3:30 am

He's easily the best "intangibles" player we've had since Perk. He's built like a spark plug, probably the strongest sub-6'5" player in the game, and is the only guy on our roster (along with Crowder) who will give as good as he gets. One of those guys you hope stays in green.

ConstableGeneva · Post #465 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 9:54 pm

Of course it would be nice if we had our defensive and offensive closer all in one package (Kawhi, Butler, etc.) but we got the next best thing in Smart/IT. Whatever Smart brings by way of offense is gravy. That rebound/jump ball to seal it! What a bulldog.

Watch on YouTube

Dannyboy36 · Post #466 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:07 pm

R9ndo wrote:I think he can be a great 6th man with the ability to start some games.

He almost kind of reminds me of smaller version of Ron Artest but Marcus is a better passer.

I've always liked the smaller arrest comparison. Really good defense, not elite like Artest. Arrest was really amazing in his earlier years at d. He was also not as bad on offense. I feel like Artest's offensive game went downhill fast.
Smart I think is a better passer. Both have a choppy, not pretty style of offense. I'm never confident either will knock down a jumper.
Both won't be intimidated and play extremely hard.

Celts17Pride · Post #467 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:08 pm

I personally think he is a perfect sell high player now that he is playing reasonably well. Just can't see giving him $15 million per year

Dannyboy36 · Post #468 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:09 pm

I think back up pg is his sweet spot for his career. When he reached his peak, because of his d and intangibles, he may very well be the best back up pg in the NBA some day.

Dannyboy36 · Post #469 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:13 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:I personally think he is a perfect sell high player now that he is playing reasonably well. Just can't see giving him $15 million per year

Yeah, that's a tough one there, for sure. I think Avery is a much better player right now and he's sure to get big offers like 18-20 mil a year ( is that a good guess?)
That makes it seem that you have to move on from him, but then you could have an inferior player in smart( unless he makes a sizable leap) asking for only a few million less.
I wouldn't want to be gm here.

Dannyboy36 · Post #470 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:16 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Of course it would be nice if we had our defensive and offensive closer all in one package (Kawhi, Butler, etc.) but we got the next best thing in Smart/IT. Whatever Smart brings by way of offense is gravy. That rebound/jump ball to seal it! What a bulldog.

Watch on YouTube

Smart often drives me crazy but when he grabbed that I was out loud saying, " yes! Thank you!" " Somebody is fighting out there!" ( I'm not including IT who obviously competes as much as he can) .

KumaJG · Post #471 » by **KumaJG** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:26 pm

Smart is the Reggie Evans of pg. Nice to have

TheRev72 · Post #472 » by **TheRev72** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:30 pm

Marcus Smart makes me love watching defense. It's almost comical how hard teams have to try to screen him. He just refuses to be screened. It's amazing. Love the guy. Like Brad using him in the post. Wish his outside shot would fall with more consistency (but his increasing FT% bodes well for that, I think).

Gomes3PC · Post #473 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:37 pm

KumaJG wrote:Smart is the Reggie Evans of pg. Nice to have

I'd call him more of a Tony Allen piece. At $4-5M per year (I guess $7-9M in today's dollars) he's a really nice contributor. But just due to his age and where he was drafted, he'll probably make 50% more than that. At this stage, due to the complete lack of development of a jumper or finishing ability at the rim, I just can't see how you pay him an 8-figure salary.

The good news is there's still ~2.5 years before Ainge has to make that decision.

Dannyboy36 · Post #474 » by **Dannyboy36** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 12:39 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
KumaJG wrote:Smart is the Reggie Evans of pg. Nice to have

I'd call him more of a Tony Allen piece. At $4-5M per year (I guess $7-9M in today's dollars) he's a really nice contributor. But just due to his age and where he was drafted, he'll probably make 50% more than that. At this stage, due to the complete lack of development of a jumper or finishing ability at the rim, I just can't see how you pay him an 8-figure salary.

The good news is there's still ~2.5 years before Ainge has to make that decision.

Yeah, maybe there's some good with the bad? Maybe because he won't be starter material, we can keep him as the great bench asset he is now. I love him in the role he's in right now. Sure, I'd love less 3's but I think overall he's been shooting less of them. I'm really convinced pg is his position now. Not as a starter but a hell of a guy to bring in off the pine.

Fidel Sarcasmo · Post #475 » by **Fidel Sarcasmo** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:35 pm

That jump ball was the craftiest move I've seen probably ever. This guy is instinctive ability is off the charts. He understands his surroundings so well. I've always said, he would have had a phenomenal career as a defensive football player such as an inside linebacker. Those environmental instincts and awareness is really his calling card. It can only get better from here. His shooting mechanics have stabilized more too. He's still a bad shooter, but I can live with his new mechanics for a bit. The wild form last year was a disaster.

Banks2Pierce · Post #476 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:49 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:At this stage, due to the complete lack of development of a jumper or finishing ability at the rim, I just can't see how you pay him an 8-figure salary.

The good news is there's still ~2.5 years before Ainge has to make that decision.

I think he might be more passable on offense than we realize due to the passing. If you even have one skill on offense as one of those elite defenders, the value is immense. Our high ORtg with Smart on the court in the context of all of the backup unit minutes is also encouraging. Already worth the double figures and you usually end up getting discounts in the market on defense-first guys like him. This season is sort of discouraging in terms of his ceiling projections probably being lowered a lot, but being such a positive contributor as a 22 year old that can guard 1-2.5 is very valuable going forward. At least internally.

TheOGJabroni · Post #477 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:04 pm

Smart is such an interesting player; just on this page of this thread, I have seen him compared to Reggie Evans, Ron Artest, and Tony Allen... and I understand each one of them.

He's one of a kind and I hate the idea of losing a player that offers so many game winning plays. It's frustrating he can't shoot but the more he turns into a distributor, the less painful it is when he shoots a lower percentage than you'd like. He's also a great complement to IT and Bradley. I want him and players with his tenacity around.

GreenBloodedC · Post #478 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:30 pm

Read on Twitter

You see this? He's a winner. And that's the only thing that matters.

Celts17Pride · Post #479 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:42 pm

GreenBloodedC wrote:

Read on Twitter

You see this? He's a winner. And that's the only thing that matters.

No his 36% FG Pct and his 30% 3PT Pct matter too. I mean we all love what Marcus brings to the Celtics but is he

1. A starter
2. Worthy of $15 million per year contract

Tough decision for Ainge and the Celtics in my opinion

Those shooting percentages are for this year but are exactly his career averages. Not seeing much improvement in his offense. I for one would be testing the market for Smart.

GWVan · Post #480 » by **GWVan** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 3:44 pm

CsBsSoxPhins wrote:Smart is such an interesting player; just on this page of this thread, I have seen him compared to Reggie Evans, Ron Artest, and Tony Allen... and I understand each one of them.

He's one of a kind and I hate the idea of losing a player that offers so many game winning players. It's frustrating he can't shoot but the more he turns into a distributor, the less painful it is when he shoots a lower percentage than you'd like. He's also a great complement to IT and Bradley. I want him and players with his tenacity around.

He is certainly unique, when we win a championship game with him as the 6th man, everyone will be compared to him - and teams will be looking for a Marcus Smart type guy.