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Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST

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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#221 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 12:16 am

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Arp590 wrote:So it's Reggie's fault for playing hero ball? In yet his team was 3-27 from 3 point?
You can only pass to these guys for so long until you try to make something happen on your own.
These guys can't hit the broadside of a barn.
We win if we just hit a couple more 3s & then we wouldn't be talking about Reggie hero ball.

Stan Van Gundy has yet to put any shooters around Reggie & Dre since he has been here.
You can't win without shooters in today's NBA & we're a bottom 4 team in 3pt %.


either you didn't watch the game or you don't understand chemistry, and its more than just this game. Our entire team responds better to ish smith and Beno as pg. That is a fact, RJ doesn't recognize that

Yeah let's trade everyone & build around Marcus Morris & Ish Smith then.. they have such great chemistry after all. :lol:


:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove

"It's more than just this game"
^Yeah like I said, we're bottom 4 in 3pt%. Reggie has nothing to work with.

So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#222 » by mercury » Wed Feb 1, 2017 12:29 am

Ish was taken out of the game due to exhaustion... He wasn't taking any more of RJ minutes this game.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#223 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 2:25 am

mercury wrote:Ish was taken out of the game due to exhaustion... He wasn't taking any more of RJ minutes this game.


really? he did play a lot of minutes, but i didn't hear this
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#224 » by coordinator0 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 4:04 am

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mercury wrote:Ish was taken out of the game due to exhaustion... He wasn't taking any more of RJ minutes this game.


really? he did play a lot of minutes, but i didn't hear this


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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#225 » by GBanga3 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 12:00 pm

Exhausted?? Dude played a total 19 minutes after having a days break to rest from his previous nights 17 minutes..... this is a professional athlete. Call a timeout, suck em in and gtf back out there. Exhausted! What a bull excuse.

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Dre's defence is stinky but he did bring some real effort, I liked it.

Someone tell me how "clutch" RJ is again, go on!
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#226 » by Arp590 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:21 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:
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either you didn't watch the game or you don't understand chemistry, and its more than just this game. Our entire team responds better to ish smith and Beno as pg. That is a fact, RJ doesn't recognize that

Yeah let's trade everyone & build around Marcus Morris & Ish Smith then.. they have such great chemistry after all. :lol:


:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove

"It's more than just this game"
^Yeah like I said, we're bottom 4 in 3pt%. Reggie has nothing to work with.

So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.

No ****, everyone is aware defense has been a problem for most of this season since Reggie returned.
Clearly they don't care enough to play defense, so they need to at least do better than 3-27 from the 3pt line..

It's not as simple as "defense is the problem"
There can be multiple problems... and 3-27 from 3pt is a huge problem. We will not win a lot of games shooting that bad from 3.
It's about long-term thinking, if our defense ever improves we're still going to be losing games since we're a bottom 3pt shooting team.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#227 » by El Chivo » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:28 pm

Arp590 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
Arp590 wrote:Yeah let's trade everyone & build around Marcus Morris & Ish Smith then.. they have such great chemistry after all. :lol:


:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove

"It's more than just this game"
^Yeah like I said, we're bottom 4 in 3pt%. Reggie has nothing to work with.

So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.

No ****, everyone is aware defense has been a problem for most of this season since Reggie returned.
Clearly they don't care enough to play defense, so they need to at least do better than 3-27 from the 3pt line..

It's not as simple as "defense is the problem"
There can be multiple problems... and 3-27 from 3pt is a huge problem. We will not win a lot of games shooting that bad from 3.
It's about long-term thinking, if our defense ever improves we're still going to be losing games since we're a bottom 3pt shooting team.


you shoot 3/27 also because of a point guard who doesn't put other players in rhythm and when shots' quality is awful.

if you take a 3 with clock expiring and without rhythm because your point guard masturbated the ball for 18 seconds, you'll probably miss the shot.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#228 » by Arp590 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:29 pm

El Chivo wrote:
Arp590 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove


So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.

No ****, everyone is aware defense has been a problem for most of this season since Reggie returned.
Clearly they don't care enough to play defense, so they need to at least do better than 3-27 from the 3pt line..

It's not as simple as "defense is the problem"
There can be multiple problems... and 3-27 from 3pt is a huge problem. We will not win a lot of games shooting that bad from 3.
It's about long-term thinking, if our defense ever improves we're still going to be losing games since we're a bottom 3pt shooting team.


you shoot 3/27 also because of a point guard who doesn't put other players in rhythm and when shots' quality is awful.

if you take a 3 with clock expiring and without rhythm because you point guard masturbated the ball for 18 seconds, you'll probably miss the shot.

There are a few like that, sure... but for the most part these guys are bricking wide open 3s.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#229 » by Pharaoh » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:44 pm

Shooting is an issue
Defense is an issue
Hero ball is an issue

So, replace the dude playing hero ball with a better defender or shooter and you've done well!

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Post#230 » by In SVG We Trust » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:01 pm

I really want to move Reggie, but bad defense on the perimeter is something every team could afford. There isn't a single top team with a bad defensive center. So our main problem it's not that clear. Replacing both with players with less talent but good effort would put us in Playoffs position for sure.
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#231 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:17 pm

Arp590 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
Arp590 wrote:Yeah let's trade everyone & build around Marcus Morris & Ish Smith then.. they have such great chemistry after all. :lol:


:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove

"It's more than just this game"
^Yeah like I said, we're bottom 4 in 3pt%. Reggie has nothing to work with.

So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.

No ****, everyone is aware defense has been a problem for most of this season since Reggie returned.
Clearly they don't care enough to play defense, so they need to at least do better than 3-27 from the 3pt line..

It's not as simple as "defense is the problem"
There can be multiple problems... and 3-27 from 3pt is a huge problem. We will not win a lot of games shooting that bad from 3.
It's about long-term thinking, if our defense ever improves we're still going to be losing games since we're a bottom 3pt shooting team.


we scored 109 ponits this game, again the problem is defense. if your just complaining about our efficiency............okay. In the context of RJ vs Ish, not only is our record better but we tend to get more open looks and shoot more efficiently with him on the court vs RJ. So while you want to make excuses for RJ , fact is he doesnt make the team better
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#232 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:23 pm

El Chivo wrote:
Arp590 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
:lol: your typical obligatory post that you can't even prove


So everyone and their mother is writing about how our defense is the problem and that we simply can't stop opponents and your over hear arguing that we lost because we didn't score enough when we obviously did. IF you actually watch the games, its literally impossible not to notice that more times than not, our team begins to play better when Ish is running the point. Its absolutely hilarious that RJ literally waste the last possessions of this game and others by ball hogging or dumb TO's and your over here complaining about how RJ has no help. Stop box score watching and actually watch the games.

No ****, everyone is aware defense has been a problem for most of this season since Reggie returned.
Clearly they don't care enough to play defense, so they need to at least do better than 3-27 from the 3pt line..

It's not as simple as "defense is the problem"
There can be multiple problems... and 3-27 from 3pt is a huge problem. We will not win a lot of games shooting that bad from 3.
It's about long-term thinking, if our defense ever improves we're still going to be losing games since we're a bottom 3pt shooting team.


you shoot 3/27 also because of a point guard who doesn't put other players in rhythm and when shots' quality is awful.

if you take a 3 with clock expiring and without rhythm because your point guard masturbated the ball for 18 seconds, you'll probably miss the shot.


its also timing, players make cuts and get open all the time but RJ misses it, leading to players stop making the cuts. The problem is RJ only makes the passes everyone else on the team regularly makes, he doesn't create lanes or opportunities for anyone else than himself and he hesitates to let the ball go.

I think the biggest evidence of RJ's idiocy is he still takes 8 seconds to get across half court so we are already starting late in the shot clock, where as if you look at ish and beno, it'll take them a average of 4-5 seconds. It makes a difference when you trying to run multiple offensive sets
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Re: Game 48: Pistons (21-26) @ Celtics (29-18) - 8 PM EST 

Post#233 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:27 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Shooting is an issue
Defense is an issue
Hero ball is an issue

So, replace the dude playing hero ball with a better defender or shooter and you've done well!

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when we are getting defensive stops , the shooting normally improves because of easy transition buckets leading to quality looks and when we are missing its not that big of a deal because we are doin work on the other end. Its a really odd dynamic because you can actually see RJ has improved defensively but its all about the perception of effort that sets the ton. Ish looks like he plays as hard as he can on both ends and the team see's that, much like KCP's effort gets contagious, when you see your floor general putting in the effort it trickles down as it sets the tone. RJ seems to always set the tone of complacency

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