Who Needs to Go First - Jackson or Drummond?

coordinator0 · Post #1 » by **coordinator0** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:19 pm

This question has been bouncing around in my head for a while and it seems like there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other about this on the forum. I was going to post it after the Boston game but given Drummond's big night I thought it might be best to let it simmer for a day or two. :lol:

Which one of these two do you think needs to be traded first for the team to make the next step forward? I'm now firmly in the camp that the Pistons being built around the "core" of these two is a fatal flaw and the team won't be doing much of anything as long as both are still around and playing big minutes. I'm not entirely sure if Reggie or Andre is the bigger problem though. Most of the time I lean towards Jackson since his negative effects on offense and defense are a bit more obvious when watching games, but then there's also Drummond's poor post play on both sides of the court and his bad defense at the rim is a real killer.

It's tough picking one or the other. Both getting traded at the same time would be nice but also very unlikely given the salary involved. Andre probably has more of a chance to stay since he's the guy the team is going all-in on. It would be nice if they would actually considering moving on from him though.

What say you?

MotownMadness · Post #2 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:22 pm

Definitely Jackson in my opinion. I only move Drummond if were getting back a top pick or something.

Pork N Chili · Post #3 » by **Pork N Chili** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:31 pm

Jackson should go first. At least when he's on (a rare feat to be sure) Drummond is clearly our best player and can be argued as one of the top 5-7 centers in the league. Jackson at his best is still a sieve on defense and not close to a top 10 PG in the league. Plus, I feel like Jackson's contract is easier to unload.

In SVG We Trust · Post #4 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:41 pm

I think Dre is more valuable than Reggie, that's why I think he should be traded first than Reggie, also because Reggie's way to play bb is awful, but atleast he shows he really desires to win. Dre is joking around with opponents players and thinking about when he will upload those nices pics to Instagram.

DCintheD · Post #5 » by **DCintheD** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:43 pm

Reggie better be gone by the deadline. I'm willing to wait til the offseason with Drummond to see if his trade value increases.

but Reggie; please give us a combination of anyone or anything just to get him off this team. His level of toxicity is reaching josh smith status..

ChuckVanBrown · Post #6 » by **ChuckVanBrown** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:47 pm

I'm at the stage where I think Jackson needs to go. The PG position is pretty deep, and a player like Rubio or Dragic may be better suited for this team. RJ played very well last season, but I don't see his game developing to the stage that it needs to be. I think he's the main reason for this team's struggles, but he's not the only problem for sure.

Drummond is the guy you build around. His inconsistent effort and defensive lapses can be frustrating, but his ceiling is still high. I wouldn't trade him unless it brings back a premium talent or top notch draft pick.

Kilo · Post #7 » by **Kilo** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:48 pm

Reggie by the deadline and then consider moving Dre in the off-season depending on ROS.

mattao313 · Post #8 » by **mattao313** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 6:50 pm

In SVG We Trust wrote:I think Dre is more valuable than Reggie, that's why I think he should be traded first than Reggie, also because Reggie's way to play bb is awful, but atleast he shows he really desires to win. Dre is joking around with opponents players and thinking about when he will upload those nices pics to Instagram.

This is how I feel Drummond has more value will net us a better haul and is a huge net negative no defense center that is pretty obsolete in the modern NBA. People just want to hang onto Drummond because of his age and flashy stats. Trading Reggie isn't gonna get us a difference maker.

sc8581 · Post #9 » by **sc8581** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 7:13 pm

I don't think we're getting a star of any kind for either of these guys, we need guys that fit the system offensively and play defense, this is why I liked the Rubio deal and why I would deal Reggie first. If we deal Drummond we're taking back a bad contract for sure btw, no high lottery pick or all star talent, maybe a couple role players but I'm OK with that now.

MotownMadness · Post #10 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 7:55 pm

sc8581 wrote:I don't think we're getting a star of any kind for either of these guys, we need guys that fit the system offensively and play defense, this is why I liked the Rubio deal and why I would deal Reggie first. If we deal Drummond we're taking back a bad contract for sure btw, no high lottery pick or all star talent, maybe a couple role players but I'm OK with that now.

If that's all we get for Drummond then I'll just keep him as that would be idiotic.

hoophabit · Post #11 » by **hoophabit** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 7:56 pm

If Dre read this board he'd be regretting signing his new contract. Should he be the first guy we trade? Called an idiot in the last game thread? 28pts, 22reb, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks? That's some pretty good idiot production. He hasn't been all we hoped, but has had a decent season so far. His defensive ineptitude would loom less large if every PG in the league wasn't being turned loose on him.

Reggie is an entirely different matter.

In SVG We Trust · Post #12 » by **In SVG We Trust** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 8:13 pm

A good defensive C can make up a bad perimeter defender, but even Kawhi Leonard would be exposed on D having a deficient pick n roll defender besides him. In fact, the Spurs are having one of their worst defensive seasons since the last 15 years with Pau replacing Duncan.

sinnombre2323 · Post #13 » by **sinnombre2323** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 8:28 pm

Jackson

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sc8581 · Post #14 » by **sc8581** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 8:28 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
sc8581 wrote:I don't think we're getting a star of any kind for either of these guys, we need guys that fit the system offensively and play defense, this is why I liked the Rubio deal and why I would deal Reggie first. If we deal Drummond we're taking back a bad contract for sure btw, no high lottery pick or all star talent, maybe a couple role players but I'm OK with that now.

If that's all we get for Drummond then I'll just keep him as that would be idiotic.

Luckily for you I believe Stan and Bowers feel the same way.

DBC10 · Post #15 » by **DBC10** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 8:46 pm

RJ definitely. I've been hinting at this since last season when we were caught in the middle of inconsistency after all-star break. I really didn't like how RJ doesn't know how to push pace, make his teammates better by getting them quality looks (something that can't be taught, and not a simple pass), and defense.

Now, had he improved those aspects of his game for this season, I'd be singing a different tune, but he hasn't. He's the exact same player as last year despite the fact that the coaching staff probably told him to do things differently or point out his flaws during tape sessions. He's pretty capped out in potential and this is who he is, he ain't going to change at age 27. Plus he never really stood out to me as a guy that had great potential anyways, just a good scorer, maybe an elite sixth man type, sort of like a slashing version of Jamal Crawford.

Dre is a different story, I feel as though he has the most value out of anyone on the roster even despite the fact that he doesn't play sound team defense nor does he make his teammates better in that regard by being able to set the defensive tone. That and he only goes for rebounds and doesn't try to box out/seal his man for the rebounds for the team explains why we're a worse overall rebounding team with him starting like that one article stated. It's paradoxical, but it makes sense why our rebounding with him seems worse than someone who has fundamentals like Baynes or Boban. His offense is another story of just tragedy.

Manocad · Post #16 » by **Manocad** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 9:31 pm

Reggie. If his lousy hero ball play is wearing thin on the fans it has to be bothering the team too.

mattao313 · Post #17 » by **mattao313** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:21 pm

hoophabit wrote:If Dre read this board he'd be regretting signing his new contract. Should he be the first guy we trade? Called an idiot in the last game thread? 28pts, 22reb, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks? That's some pretty good idiot production. He hasn't been all we hoped, but has had a decent season so far. His defensive ineptitude would loom less large if every PG in the league wasn't being turned loose on him.

Reggie is an entirely different matter.

And?

Reggie has had some great games as well...

Blkbrd671 · Post #18 » by **Blkbrd671** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:44 pm

mattao313 wrote:
hoophabit wrote:If Dre read this board he'd be regretting signing his new contract. Should he be the first guy we trade? Called an idiot in the last game thread? 28pts, 22reb, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks? That's some pretty good idiot production. He hasn't been all we hoped, but has had a decent season so far. His defensive ineptitude would loom less large if every PG in the league wasn't being turned loose on him.

Reggie is an entirely different matter.

And?

Reggie has had some great games as well...

I completely agree w hoopshabit , while Dre's defense is upsetting, he seems to be doing "other things" to help the team and has continued to develop from last season, where as RJ seems to have regressed every season since we got him.

Put it this way, we probably could hold onto dre this season and trade him next and get the same value if not more, i don't think RJ's value is every going to be higher than what it is at this point. I'd contact Indy or Brklyn and offer RJ for either RHJ or Teague and hope they bite

JohnReese · Post #19 » by **JohnReese** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:57 pm

Both! If it's in the same deal better.

mattao313 · Post #20 » by **mattao313** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 11:04 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
hoophabit wrote:If Dre read this board he'd be regretting signing his new contract. Should he be the first guy we trade? Called an idiot in the last game thread? 28pts, 22reb, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks? That's some pretty good idiot production. He hasn't been all we hoped, but has had a decent season so far. His defensive ineptitude would loom less large if every PG in the league wasn't being turned loose on him.

Reggie is an entirely different matter.

And?

Reggie has had some great games as well...

I completely agree w hoopshabit , while Dre's defense is upsetting, he seems to be doing "other things" to help the team and has continued to develop from last season, where as RJ seems to have regressed every season since we got him.

Put it this way, we probably could hold onto dre this season and trade him next and get the same value if not more, i don't think RJ's value is every going to be higher than what it is at this point. I'd contact Indy or Brklyn and offer RJ for either RHJ or Teague and hope they bite

What has Drummond improved on? Reggie and Andre have both been huge net negatives this season at the very least Reggie has a bit of an excuse cause he was injured for 20 games. But regardless Andre would net the best return.

Who Needs to Go First?