Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[gambitx777]

Pass on moving a first for Lou and/or Young.

Will Barton, on the other hand...

Will Bartons are available in the 2nd round. Why not draft a Will Barton. Why trade a 1st round pick for a Will Barton?

Because getting will bartons in the second round takes years to develop and right now we have a shot to compete in a weak east with a mortal cavs team ahead of us. Like I said before EG is doing the picking for us too.... unless they hand it over to brooks in which case keeping picks becomes a better idea.

[stevemcqueen1]

Trading the first for aging bench players or bench players on short term deals is terrible. Good Lord. These ideas are worse than the one to trade our pick for Ersan Ilyasova in 2013. Keep the damn pick.

[deneem4]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Pierce thj to wizards
Nicholson 2017 1st to Hawks

Clippers trade Pierce
For Sefolosha and Thorton

Hawks trade
Sefolosha thj
For wiz 2017 pick and nicholson

Wiz gets a real bench
Sato
THJ
Oubre
Pierce
Smith

Clips get a legit sf

Hawks takes some salary but get a 2017 1st from the wiz....

This should be in the lyricalrico hall of fame

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? And getting thj?? Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs...were likely to end the season with a 20 or higher pick... we never had a 20 or higher pick...

So while this is a great draft...if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

[Dat2U]

Pass on moving a first for Lou and/or Young.

Will Barton, on the other hand...

Will Bartons are available in the 2nd round. Why not draft a Will Barton. Why trade a 1st round pick for a Will Barton?

Because getting will bartons in the second round takes years to develop and right now we have a shot to compete in a weak east with a mortal cavs team ahead of us. Like I said before EG is doing the picking for us too.... unless they hand it over to brooks in which case keeping picks becomes a better idea.

I find it stunning that you think Will freaking Barton is potentially the difference b/w us beating the Cavs or not.

[Dat2U]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Pierce thj to wizards
Nicholson 2017 1st to Hawks

Clippers trade Pierce
For Sefolosha and Thorton

Hawks trade
Sefolosha thj
For wiz 2017 pick and nicholson

Wiz gets a real bench
Sato
THJ
Oubre
Pierce
Smith

Clips get a legit sf

Hawks takes some salary but get a 2017 1st from the wiz....

This should be in the lyricalrico hall of fame

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? And getting thj?? Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs...were likely to end the season with a 20 or higher pick... we never had a 20 or higher pick...

So while this is a great draft...if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

Paul Pierce is 39 years old dude! WTF? Tim Hardaway Jr is an RFA after this season. That makes him a rental because we cannot afford to pay him and Otto... even if you dump Nicholson because Hardaway would likely get at least an MLE deal from some other team.

And like I just said to gambitx777, it's ridiculous to think a marginal role player is going to make a difference beating the Cavs or not. I'm not dead set against using our 1st to improve but these suggestions involving Nicholson & Mahinmi (which are completely unrealistic unless Mahinmi proves he's healthy) means were taking back mediocre rentals in return. Basically your suggesting that we forfeit assets acquire guys who aren't going to move the needle.

I think you guys fail to realize how bad we need cheap & productive rookie contracts going forward considering were likely to hit the luxury tax line next season.

[deneem4]

This should be in the lyricalrico hall of fame

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? And getting thj?? Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs...were likely to end the season with a 20 or higher pick... we never had a 20 or higher pick...

So while this is a great draft...if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

Paul Pierce is 39 years old dude! WTF? Tim Hardaway Jr is an RFA after this season. That makes him a rental because we cannot afford to pay him and Otto... even if you dump Nicholson because Hardaway would likely get at least an MLE deal from some other team.

And like I just said to gambitx777, it's ridiculous to think a marginal role player is going to make a difference beating the Cavs or not. I'm not dead set against using our 1st to improve but these suggestions involving Nicholson & Mahinmi (which are completely unrealistic unless Mahinmi proves he's healthy) means were taking back mediocre rentals in return. Basically your suggesting that we forfeit assets acquire guys who aren't going to move the needle.

I think you guys fail to realize how bad we need cheap & productive rookie contracts going forward considering were likely to hit the luxury tax line next season.

Paul pierce is 1 of very few players that would make a difference in our odds of beating the cavs...yes 39yr old Paul pierce gives us a better chance

[Dat2U]

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? And getting thj?? Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs...were likely to end the season with a 20 or higher pick... we never had a 20 or higher pick...

So while this is a great draft...if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

Paul Pierce is 39 years old dude! WTF? Tim Hardaway Jr is an RFA after this season. That makes him a rental because we cannot afford to pay him and Otto... even if you dump Nicholson because Hardaway would likely get at least an MLE deal from some other team.

And like I just said to gambitx777, it's ridiculous to think a marginal role player is going to make a difference beating the Cavs or not. I'm not dead set against using our 1st to improve but these suggestions involving Nicholson & Mahinmi (which are completely unrealistic unless Mahinmi proves he's healthy) means were taking back mediocre rentals in return. Basically your suggesting that we forfeit assets acquire guys who aren't going to move the needle.

I think you guys fail to realize how bad we need cheap & productive rookie contracts going forward considering were likely to hit the luxury tax line next season.

Paul pierce is 1 of very few players that would make a difference in our odds of beating the cavs...yes 39yr old Paul pierce gives us a better chance

Your living in a different reality then. Pierce isn't the same player he was two years ago. Father time is undefeated and Pierce lost his battle to father time last season. There is no discernable evidence since he left DC that he's got anything left in the tank.

[montestewart]

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? And getting thj?? Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs...were likely to end the season with a 20 or higher pick... we never had a 20 or higher pick...

So while this is a great draft...if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

Paul Pierce is 39 years old dude! WTF? Tim Hardaway Jr is an RFA after this season. That makes him a rental because we cannot afford to pay him and Otto... even if you dump Nicholson because Hardaway would likely get at least an MLE deal from some other team.

And like I just said to gambitx777, it's ridiculous to think a marginal role player is going to make a difference beating the Cavs or not. I'm not dead set against using our 1st to improve but these suggestions involving Nicholson & Mahinmi (which are completely unrealistic unless Mahinmi proves he's healthy) means were taking back mediocre rentals in return. Basically your suggesting that we forfeit assets acquire guys who aren't going to move the needle.

I think you guys fail to realize how bad we need cheap & productive rookie contracts going forward considering were likely to hit the luxury tax line next season.

Paul pierce is 1 of very few players that would make a difference in our odds of beating the cavs...yes 39yr old Paul pierce gives us a better chance

Pierce has only played 148 minutes all season. He has 12 straight DNPs. He has zero (0) win shares. He has a PER of 4.2 He was a shadow of his former self when he was with the Wizards, and he's now a shadow of that shadow. Take a drink of water. Your lawyer's on his way.

[Meliorus]

There's a reason why Pierce hasn't gotten playing time in the past 2 seasons...

[deneem4]

Paul Pierce is 39 years old dude! WTF? Tim Hardaway Jr is an RFA after this season. That makes him a rental because we cannot afford to pay him and Otto... even if you dump Nicholson because Hardaway would likely get at least an MLE deal from some other team.

And like I just said to gambitx777, it's ridiculous to think a marginal role player is going to make a difference beating the Cavs or not. I'm not dead set against using our 1st to improve but these suggestions involving Nicholson & Mahinmi (which are completely unrealistic unless Mahinmi proves he's healthy) means were taking back mediocre rentals in return. Basically your suggesting that we forfeit assets acquire guys who aren't going to move the needle.

I think you guys fail to realize how bad we need cheap & productive rookie contracts going forward considering were likely to hit the luxury tax line next season.

Paul pierce is 1 of very few players that would make a difference in our odds of beating the cavs...yes 39yr old Paul pierce gives us a better chance

Pierce has only played 148 minutes all season. He has 12 straight DNPs. He has zero (0) win shares. He has a PER of 4.2 He was a shadow of his former self when he was with the Wizards, and he's now a shadow of that shadow. Take a drink of water. Your lawyer's on his way.

Leadership is invaluable and being on that stage a guy like pierce would be a difference maker in the lockerroom...moments when wall is out of mentally or beal isn't feeling confident...we're not talking about just making the finals we're talking about trying to beat a guy who has made the finals for 5+ years straight with no one on the roster who has made it past the 2nd rd

[payitforward]

Out of all the threads on this board, this trade thread is the most painful to read. It's just one horrific trade suggestion after another. I can't believe someone actually suggested the acquisition of Nick Young to help in a PLAYOFF run!

LOL !! (but I take it you don't read the politics thread!)

[montestewart]

Paul pierce is 1 of very few players that would make a difference in our odds of beating the cavs...yes 39yr old Paul pierce gives us a better chance

Pierce has only played 148 minutes all season. He has 12 straight DNPs. He has zero (0) win shares. He has a PER of 4.2 He was a shadow of his former self when he was with the Wizards, and he's now a shadow of that shadow. Take a drink of water. Your lawyer's on his way.

Leadership is invaluable and being on that stage a guy like pierce would be a difference maker in the lockerroom...moments when wall is out of mentally or beal isn't feeling confident...we're not talking about just making the finals we're talking about trying to beat a guy who has made the finals for 5+ years straight with no one on the roster who has made it past the 2nd rd

So, we wouldn't be giving up a 1st for an actual player? We'd be giving up a 1st for a former champion turned locker room guru.

Wall: Gee, thanks for the advice, and you smell swell.
Pierce: That's because I never play, son. And you're welcome.

Wizards already have someone who's been to the finals finals. I've seen reigning and former champions wither and first timers rise as if they were always champions. How does the value of a "former champion" become so distorted? How do you distinguish among former champions? Anthony Peeler? Fabricio Oberto? ADK? Paul Pierce? What is the off court contribution actually worth? Apparently, a first round pick.

[Mojo Amok]

Leadership is invaluable and being on that stage a guy like pierce would be a difference maker in the lockerroom...moments when wall is out of mentally or beal isn't feeling confident...we're not talking about just making the finals we're talking about trying to beat a guy who has made the finals for 5+ years straight with no one on the roster who has made it past the 2nd rd

If we're going this route, let's do it right.

Wizards Out: 2017 1st (unprotected)
Wizards In: Tony Robbins

[payitforward]

What's wrong with bringing pierce back??? ...Yea it costs a pick but having pierce would be big come playoff time...

This is our window...the cavs are hurting, we need to load up on enough talent and make the most out of this upcoming playoffs....if we can move the pick for some players that can help us now...why not?

Just for starters, you are proposing a trade not for a player but for a name. Paul Pierce has ... nothing left in the tank. Zero. I'm sure he's still on the roster so that he can spend his last NBA months with his old coach and then retire at the end of the season.

Aside from that, no, this is NOT "our window." Our window to do what? To leapfrog Toronto, Boston & Cleveland & play in a title series? Come on.... Who's in a better position to add a little talent for this season, solve some problems, before the deadline -- us or Cleveland?

We're playing great -- & that's because our younger players are really living up to their promise. Moreover, Beal, Porter, Oubre, Satoransky & even McClellan are players that can still get better.

Our problem is the boat anchor contracts we are stuck with. We need a rookie with potential -- & with a rookie contract! -- a lot. This would be the worst possible year to trade away that R1 pick. If anything, our cap situation is such that we really really could benefit from having another R1 pick. Or even a R2 pick, which I believe has also been p*ssed away.

[Kanyewest]

Holy Moly!! You two guys are scaring me!

First off, if we make a trade based only on getting better this season, it's a fail trade. We aren't going to contend for a ring b/c we add players like this. In fact, unless a team is demonstrably, legitimately, one player away from going after a ring, a trade like you suggest is always a mistake, for any team.

Williams, Barton & Young are all FAs after next season. Trading a R1 pick for any of them means giving up the chance to acquire a talented young player whom we control for 4 or more years on a rookie contract.

As well, none of those 3 has any upside left. As to the "dominant two way player" hiding in Nick Young... it's hard to know how to respond. Saying something with a lot of conviction doesn't make it true, you know.

None of those players would do enough to warrant giving away the future for him. All these trade ideas are really really bad trade ideas.

I would Definitely give up a 1st for young and williams...
Say what you want but guys like Lou and Nick off the bench are great for contenders...nick is Jr Smith but slightly younger...and we see what impact Jr has for Cleveland especially in the playoffs

Wall/sato/burke
Beal/lou/McClellan
Porter/oubre/young
Morris/smith
Gortat/mahinmi/

That's a team that can score and defend 90% of the league

Consistently starting guys like that is the problem...but that's not a problem we would have...Unless Beal go down and they're temporary

Nick Young is older than J.R. Smith, he just seems younger, because he seems immature compared to Smith, which by itself, well.... Young has also been consistently worse than Smith virtually his entire career he just happens to be having a better year this year, for like the first time ever. They really aren't in the same class.

True, Smith and Young are essentially the same age. Although Smith had a much higher ceiling coming out of high school where as Young was pretty old when he's drafted. Maybe having less NBA miles than Smith helps Young in the long term although Smith's thumb injury seemed like more than a fluke than anything. Smith is the better player though given he's a bit more athletic and well rounded although for their respective careers both have had similar TS%.

I would not call Smith more mature than Young though; Smith certainly has had more foolish incidents tied to his past, both on and off the court, than Young.

[montestewart]

I would not call Smith more mature than Young though; Smith certainly has had more foolish incidents tied to his past, both on and off the court, than Young.

And compared to Smith, Young's antics are more silly guy than tough guy (in Smith's case, some might say fake tough guy), but a little of poetic license highlighting his various issues that could themselves become a distraction. Also, there's a self-promoting aspect to Young that not only contributes to the visibility of his antics but could themselves be an irritant to teammates. See some highlights in the trolling thread.

[Kanyewest]

have had two lakers fans tell me they'd take a first and filler for young and williams

i'd definitely consider it..

Heyull no. Not trading our first to get a 30 year old Lou Williams and Nick Young's clown ass back.

This is the kind of terrible short sighted trade that fans would still hold against the FO a decade from now.

The funny thing is that Lou Williams and Nick Young may be a better value than what Miller/Foye turned out to be for the Wizards given that both have TS% of 60%.

[nate33]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

Pierce thj to wizards
Nicholson 2017 1st to Hawks

Clippers trade Pierce
For Sefolosha and Thorton

Hawks trade
Sefolosha thj
For wiz 2017 pick and nicholson

Wiz gets a real bench
Sato
THJ
Oubre
Pierce
Smith

Clips get a legit sf

Hawks takes some salary but get a 2017 1st from the wiz....

Are you actually serious with these trades or are you just trolling the board for lol's.

[Kanyewest]

I would not call Smith more mature than Young though; Smith certainly has had more foolish incidents tied to his past, both on and off the court, than Young.

And compared to Smith, Young's antics are more silly guy than tough guy (in Smith's case, some might say fake tough guy), but a little of poetic license highlighting his various issues that could themselves become a distraction. Also, there's a self-promoting aspect to Young that not only contributes to the visibility of his antics but could themselves be an irritant to teammates. See some highlights in the trolling thread.

I know all of Young's antics(getting pulled over speeding, taking a 3 turning around and missing it, Swaggy P persona). I just think Smith is even more immature. JR Smith has more though including getting in brawls (on and off the court), tying opponents shoes together multiple times, testing positive for marijuana, etc. I'm also not sure how not wearing a shirt throughout the offseason is not seen as self promoting and there plenty more incidents of him doing that as well such as riding a hands free segway into and out of the NBA finals (although I enjoy these antics). Although, at the end of the day, it wasn't a distraction for their teammates because the Cavs won a title.

[gambitx777]

Will Bartons are available in the 2nd round. Why not draft a Will Barton. Why trade a 1st round pick for a Will Barton?

Because getting will bartons in the second round takes years to develop and right now we have a shot to compete in a weak east with a mortal cavs team ahead of us. Like I said before EG is doing the picking for us too.... unless they hand it over to brooks in which case keeping picks becomes a better idea.

I find it stunning that you think Will freaking Barton is potentially the difference b/w us beating the Cavs or not.

If we keep our 6 core guys and get him in here he absolutely does increase our chances of beating the cavs. He is a borderline starter and better than any guard on this team not named Wall or Beal.