John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I definitely think Wall's pull-up/mid-range game is much more efficient this year. I don't know the numbers, but they have to back it up just off the eye test. Also helping his and Beal's efficiency this year is, again eye test, is that they seem to be getting a lot more dunks/layups.

[tontoz]

His midrange shot is better this season but he shoots too many of them early in the clock without anyone else touching the ball. He also settles for them too often in late game situations instead of driving.

But he is certainly making his case for an All-NBA 3rd team selection. He is surely a lock for the All-Star game.

[dobrojim]

I was very vocal from the stands last night, especially down the stretch of the game -

'be aggressive!'

But I love me some John Wall. Heart and soul of the team and the straw that stirs the drink.

[TheKingOfVa360]

His midrange shot is better this season but he shoots too many of them early in the clock without anyone else touching the ball. He also settles for them too often in late game situations instead of driving.

But he is certainly making his case for an All-NBA 3rd team selection. He is surely a lock for the All-Star game.

With the way he is playing he has a shot at All-NBA 2nd team.

Locks

1st team
Westbrook
Harden

2nd team
All these players have a case
Wall
Curry
Lowry
Derozan
CP3
Irving(media hype)
IT

[Kanyewest]

His midrange shot is better this season but he shoots too many of them early in the clock without anyone else touching the ball. He also settles for them too often in late game situations instead of driving.

But he is certainly making his case for an All-NBA 3rd team selection. He is surely a lock for the All-Star game.

With the way he is playing he has a shot at All-NBA 2nd team.

Locks

1st team
Westbrook
Harden

2nd team
All these players have a case
Wall
Curry
Lowry
Derozan
CP3
Irving(media hype)
IT

Based on the all star voting from the media, Wall might miss out.

[Wizardspride]

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[deneem4]

Wall might not be a top 5 pg....
I.t. is solidified yea his defense is bad but he's a better scorer than curry this year...
Wall Lowry and cp3 is a hard choice for 5th.... what do you guys think?

[mhd]

Wall might not be a top 5 pg....
I.t. is solidified yea his defense is bad but he's a better scorer than curry this year...
Wall Lowry and cp3 is a hard choice for 5th.... what do you guys think?

His defense is atrocious. He's the worst defender statistically in the NBA.

[Meliorus]

Wall might not be a top 5 pg....
I.t. is solidified yea his defense is bad but he's a better scorer than curry this year...
Wall Lowry and cp3 is a hard choice for 5th.... what do you guys think?

His defense is atrocious. He's the worst defender statistically in the NBA.

Think of the worst point guard defender in the NBA. *An image of Damian Lillard flashes in your mind*. Now imagine a player who is way, way, way worse than him. That's Isaiah Thomas.

"Celtics' Isaiah Thomas is a fourth-quarter killer, but which team is he killing?" That's the million dollar question. Awesome article title as well.

[deneem4]

Wall might not be a top 5 pg....
I.t. is solidified yea his defense is bad but he's a better scorer than curry this year...
Wall Lowry and cp3 is a hard choice for 5th.... what do you guys think?

His defense is atrocious. He's the worst defender statistically in the NBA.

Think of the worst point guard defender in the NBA. *An image of Damian Lillard flashes in your mind*. Now imagine a player who is way, way, way worse than him. That's Isaiah Thomas.

Very true but offensively he's in another tier...if curry got an undisputed mvp for his offense playing next to klay
With draymond setting him up
Isiah deserves some recognition for what he's doing...
You simply have to respect it...

[CobraCommander]

His defense is atrocious. He's the worst defender statistically in the NBA.

Think of the worst point guard defender in the NBA. *An image of Damian Lillard flashes in your mind*. Now imagine a player who is way, way, way worse than him. That's Isaiah Thomas.

Very true but offensively he's in another tier...if curry got an undisputed mvp for his offense playing next to klay
With draymond setting him up
Isiah deserves some recognition for what he's doing...
You simply have to respect it...

Wait statistically Isiah is not considered the worse defender in the NBA...he is statistically the worse defender in the league. Its not a debate...its a fact.

To quote http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/01/25/defense-major-problem/

Unfortunately, it starts with the defense of Isaiah Thomas. Yes, he has been stellar offensively, now only second behind Westbrook in points per game, but defensively he has been a complete liability. As a matter of fact, he has been atrocious both individually and collectively. Out of the 86 results for DRPM (Defensive Real Plus Minus) among point guards on ESPN, Thomas is ranked 86th. That means he has virtually no impact on team defensive performance. That is unbelievable. He has a -4.42 for DRPM.

So think about that..Isaiah is the worse...period.

And lets also say plain and simply - Curry got owned in the play offs every year defensively - Curry cant stop a runny nose but is still the 2 time reining MVP. Walls defense needs to improve but he is far from the WORSE... his size and speed leads to steals. Which leads to fast breaks. Wall isnt an MVP but stop going at him about his defense- At this point WALLSTAR is leading the best team in the east in 2017!

[deneem4]

Think of the worst point guard defender in the NBA. *An image of Damian Lillard flashes in your mind*. Now imagine a player who is way, way, way worse than him. That's Isaiah Thomas.

Very true but offensively he's in another tier...if curry got an undisputed mvp for his offense playing next to klay
With draymond setting him up
Isiah deserves some recognition for what he's doing...
You simply have to respect it...

Wait statistically Isiah is not considered the worse defender in the NBA...he is statistically the worse defender in the league. Its not a debate...its a fact.

To quote http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/01/25/defense-major-problem/

Unfortunately, it starts with the defense of Isaiah Thomas. Yes, he has been stellar offensively, now only second behind Westbrook in points per game, but defensively he has been a complete liability. As a matter of fact, he has been atrocious both individually and collectively. Out of the 86 results for DRPM (Defensive Real Plus Minus) among point guards on ESPN, Thomas is ranked 86th. That means he has virtually no impact on team defensive performance. That is unbelievable. He has a -4.42 for DRPM.

So think about that..Isaiah is the worse...period.

And lets also say plain and simply - Curry got owned in the play offs every year defensively - Curry cant stop a runny nose but is still the 2 time reining MVP. Walls defense needs to improve but he is far from the WORSE... his size and speed leads to steals. Which leads to fast breaks. Wall isnt an MVP but stop going at him about his defense- At this point WALLSTAR is leading the best team in the east in 2017!

I never said wall defense wall bad ever...
I jus commented how he's a tier Almost 2 behind other pgs offensively

Westbrook
Harden

Curry
Thomas

Wall
Cp3

He's a couple free throws n 2 layups away from being solidified top. 5
Lowry

[CobraCommander]

Very true but offensively he's in another tier...if curry got an undisputed mvp for his offense playing next to klay
With draymond setting him up
Isiah deserves some recognition for what he's doing...
You simply have to respect it...

Wait statistically Isiah is not considered the worse defender in the NBA...he is statistically the worse defender in the league. Its not a debate...its a fact.

To quote http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/01/25/defense-major-problem/

Unfortunately, it starts with the defense of Isaiah Thomas. Yes, he has been stellar offensively, now only second behind Westbrook in points per game, but defensively he has been a complete liability. As a matter of fact, he has been atrocious both individually and collectively. Out of the 86 results for DRPM (Defensive Real Plus Minus) among point guards on ESPN, Thomas is ranked 86th. That means he has virtually no impact on team defensive performance. That is unbelievable. He has a -4.42 for DRPM.

So think about that..Isaiah is the worse...period.

And lets also say plain and simply - Curry got owned in the play offs every year defensively - Curry cant stop a runny nose but is still the 2 time reining MVP. Walls defense needs to improve but he is far from the WORSE... his size and speed leads to steals. Which leads to fast breaks. Wall isnt an MVP but stop going at him about his defense- At this point WALLSTAR is leading the best team in the east in 2017!

I never said wall defense wall bad ever...
I jus commented how he's a tier Almost 2 behind other pgs offensively

Westbrook
Harden

Curry
Thomas

Wall
Cp3

He's a couple free throws n 2 layups away from being solidified top. 5
Lowry

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall- I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

[CobraCommander]

Very true but offensively he's in another tier...if curry got an undisputed mvp for his offense playing next to klay
With draymond setting him up
Isiah deserves some recognition for what he's doing...
You simply have to respect it...

Wait statistically Isiah is not considered the worse defender in the NBA...he is statistically the worse defender in the league. Its not a debate...its a fact.

To quote http://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/01/25/defense-major-problem/

Unfortunately, it starts with the defense of Isaiah Thomas. Yes, he has been stellar offensively, now only second behind Westbrook in points per game, but defensively he has been a complete liability. As a matter of fact, he has been atrocious both individually and collectively. Out of the 86 results for DRPM (Defensive Real Plus Minus) among point guards on ESPN, Thomas is ranked 86th. That means he has virtually no impact on team defensive performance. That is unbelievable. He has a -4.42 for DRPM.

So think about that..Isaiah is the worse...period.

And lets also say plain and simply - Curry got owned in the play offs every year defensively - Curry cant stop a runny nose but is still the 2 time reining MVP. Walls defense needs to improve but he is far from the WORSE... his size and speed leads to steals. Which leads to fast breaks. Wall isnt an MVP but stop going at him about his defense- At this point WALLSTAR is leading the best team in the east in 2017!

I never said wall defense wall bad ever...
I jus commented how he's a tier Almost 2 behind other pgs offensively

Westbrook
Harden

Curry
Thomas

Wall
Cp3

He's a couple free throws n 2 layups away from being solidified top. 5
Lowry

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall- I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

[payitforward]

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall... I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

Isn't Antetokounmpo playing PG this season? If he is, then he slots right near the top. Of course, even if he is playing PG you can choose not to count him, so you can put Wall where you'd like him to be.

Similarly, there's no reason to count Kyle Lowry, who's having a significantly better season than John Wall (who is having a great season, we all agree). After all, if you count Kyle Lowry, then you can't put Wall where you want him to be, right?

As well, hey, why not leave out Mike Conley? Yes, he's having a tremendous year -- a better year even than John -- but... if he's in, then that affects where John Wall is.

For that matter, don't try and get me to actually look at what Jeff Teague has done this season, ok!?! I mean... come on? How is that good for where we rank John Wall?

In fact, aren't we all kind of bored with Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook & Steph Curry? Don't we just hear their names way too much? You know... really, why do we have to keep repeating those names. Yeah, lets get some white-out -- you remember that stuff, don't you? Worked great! -- & just like magic those names are gone.

John Wall is the #1 point guard in the league! I'm not sure they should even let other guys be called "point guards" -- what's the "point" of that? Get what I mean?

After all. There's nobody like him. He's alone in the universe.

Did somebody mention Isaiah Thomas? Why are we talking about some retired guy on NBA TV? Wasn't he a Center anyway?

[CobraCommander]

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall... I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

Isn't Antetokounmpo playing PG this season? If he is, then he slots right near the top. Of course, even if he is playing PG you can choose not to count him, so you can put Wall where you'd like him to be.

Similarly, there's no reason to count Kyle Lowry, who's having a significantly better season than John Wall (who is having a great season, we all agree). After all, if you count Kyle Lowry, then you can't put Wall where you want him to be, right?

As well, hey, why not leave out Mike Conley? Yes, he's having a tremendous year -- a better year even than John -- but... if he's in, then that affects where John Wall is.

For that matter, don't try and get me to actually look at what Jeff Teague has done this season, ok!?! I mean... come on? How is that good for where we rank John Wall?

In fact, aren't we all kind of bored with Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook & Steph Curry? Don't we just hear their names way too much? You know... really, why do we have to keep repeating those names. Yeah, lets get some white-out -- you remember that stuff, don't you? Worked great! -- & just like magic those names are gone.

John Wall is the #1 point guard in the league! I'm not sure they should even let other guys be called "point guards" -- what's the "point" of that? Get what I mean?

After all. There's nobody like him. He's alone in the universe.

Did somebody mention Isaiah Thomas? Why are we talking about some retired guy on NBA TV? Wasn't he a Center anyway?

Now I'm with you - they all point guards and JW is the pointGod!

On a semi serious note... a fan board for a team/artist/actor/world leader (cobra) isn't about objectivity. It's mostly about talking about the subject with people that share your appreciation or interest in the subject often in a over zealous unreasonable way. A specific fan boards player appreciation thread is wayyyyy more bias than even the board. I couldn't tell if you were being slick with your comment or not but honestly - I'm not trying to be fair or unbiased on this thread- on this thread I'm being a ridiculous fan of Wiz and John Wall!

Now if they trade him (and they better not... or he walks and he better not) ... I'll be on the (name the new best player on wiz thread) putting him top 5!

I been a wiz fan through the lean years (which continue) and we gotta take pride in our boys -


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[Illmatic12]

Is it safe to say John is a favorite to make an All-NBA team?

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/morning-tip-john-walls-goal-all-nba-team-appears-be-reach

Counting up the top 7 guards..

Harden
Westbrook
Curry
Wall
IT
Lowry
Derozan
Kyrie
Thompson


Wall is solidly in there right now. Especially with Derozan missing time and Lowry/Raptors backsliding a bit. I think John will actually be on 2nd team with either Russ or Steph.

This would have major implications obviously, because it would allow Washington to offer him the Designated Player Extension next offseason and if he signs, we'd have our core locked in through the rest of the decade.

[Ruzious]

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall... I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

Isn't Antetokounmpo playing PG this season? If he is, then he slots right near the top. Of course, even if he is playing PG you can choose not to count him, so you can put Wall where you'd like him to be.

He's played there a lot, but I think he'll play less and less at the point in the future. It's worn him out, and it's exposed his tendency to turn the ball over. Problem is - all Milwaukee has at the point is Delavodova - who should be a backup (and is very over-paid) and Brogdon (who's much more of a 2 than a 1).

[payitforward]

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall... I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

Isn't Antetokounmpo playing PG this season? If he is, then he slots right near the top. Of course, even if he is playing PG you can choose not to count him, so you can put Wall where you'd like him to be.

Similarly, there's no reason to count Kyle Lowry, who's having a significantly better season than John Wall (who is having a great season, we all agree). After all, if you count Kyle Lowry, then you can't put Wall where you want him to be, right?

As well, hey, why not leave out Mike Conley? Yes, he's having a tremendous year -- a better year even than John -- but... if he's in, then that affects where John Wall is.

For that matter, don't try and get me to actually look at what Jeff Teague has done this season, ok!?! I mean... come on? How is that good for where we rank John Wall?

In fact, aren't we all kind of bored with Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook & Steph Curry? Don't we just hear their names way too much? You know... really, why do we have to keep repeating those names. Yeah, lets get some white-out -- you remember that stuff, don't you? Worked great! -- & just like magic those names are gone.

John Wall is the #1 point guard in the league! I'm not sure they should even let other guys be called "point guards" -- what's the "point" of that? Get what I mean?

After all. There's nobody like him. He's alone in the universe.

Did somebody mention Isaiah Thomas? Why are we talking about some retired guy on NBA TV? Wasn't he a Center anyway?

Now I'm with you - they all point guards and JW is the pointGod!

On a semi serious note... a fan board for a team/artist/actor/world leader (cobra) isn't about objectivity. It's mostly about talking about the subject with people that share your appreciation or interest in the subject often in a over zealous unreasonable way. A specific fan boards player appreciation thread is wayyyyy more bias than even the board. I couldn't tell if you were being slick with your comment or not but honestly - I'm not trying to be fair or unbiased on this thread- on this thread I'm being a ridiculous fan of Wiz and John Wall!

Now if they trade him (and they better not... or he walks and he better not) ... I'll be on the (name the new best player on wiz thread) putting him top 5!

I been a wiz fan through the lean years (which continue) and we gotta take pride in our boys.

Cobra -- you need to & get to be just as you want to be! I ain't no rule maker. Go for it. I prefer to be as close to objective as my abilities allow me to be, but I wouldn't ever tell anyone they need to be like me!

As to whether I was being "slick" -- I was just having fun! John's a terrific player, & we are 9 games above .500. I can't remember the last time we had this good a record this late in the season. Awesome!

[Illmatic12]

Top 5- Westbrook, Harden, Curry, CP3 and Wall... I cant respect Boston since the funeral game!

Isn't Antetokounmpo playing PG this season? If he is, then he slots right near the top. Of course, even if he is playing PG you can choose not to count him, so you can put Wall where you'd like him to be.

He's played there a lot, but I think he'll play less and less at the point in the future. It's worn him out, and it's exposed his tendency to turn the ball over. Problem is - all Milwaukee has at the point is Delavodova - who should be a backup (and is very over-paid) and Brogdon (who's much more of a 2 than a 1).

I've said this for a while.. Giannis is not a PG, he's a great all-around player but the point guard stuff is all hype. His handles aren't good enough and he isn't Lebron-level mobile

The Bucks still need an actual point guard if they want to get anywhere. Not just a Delly or Brogdon type game-manager, but a legit dynamic player at the 1. If their season continues tanking, they'll have a few nice options in this years draft.