Hornets acquire Miles Plumlee for Hawes & Hibbert

[dmutombo321]

I have no opposition to Plumlee as a player per se.

But Its stomach churning to have him eating up $13m a year of the team's cap space all the way through 2020 when Hibbert was an expiring and it was likely Hawes was going to opt out.

Taking that kind of long term money off Milwaukee's books, its unfathomable that Charlotte didnt at least insist the Bucks throw in a second round pick or Michael Beasley who would is on a one year minimum deal and would have generated more offense than anyone we currently have on our bench.

Beasley isn't just a throw in at this point anymore . Actually the opposite, guy has a bit of value to him now. He would be your best scorer off the bench easily. He is making the minimum this year, but I expect he will command atleast 8-10 mil per next year.

Agreed Beasley has value. That's why its head scratching that Charlotte didnt insist upon his inclusion in a deal where they were taking a bad $52million contract off Milwaukee's books for a player the Bucks just signed in the offseason who is averaging less than 3 pts and 2 rebounds a game.

[Snidely FC]

Shame its not Mason. I'm a big fan of his game. Can Miles do 75% of what Mason can do given playing time?

Miles best year '13-'14 in PHX he avgd 25 mins, 52% fg, 8 rebs, 8 pts
Mason's best year '15-'16 in POR he avgd 25 mins, 52% fg, 8 rebs, 9 pts

Miles has been buried in MIL so hard to judge his current level
Mason outperforming his best statistical year this year

[fatlever]

I'm fine with the trade for now. Something had to change. Hawes and Hibbert just did not fit what we wanted to do on offense. We probably wouldn't do anything with that money this summer anyway. He's grossly overpaid, currently, but could at least grow into that contract if he fits as well as I think he'll fit. He and Cody are very similar in terms of PnR. Our offense dies w/out Cody setting picks. Our defense dies without Cody around the rim.

We didn't really give up any assets other than some cap space, so that's positive.

I'm sure Miles is a quality dude, so he'll fit the culture of the team.

I will really miss Hawes, just from a lockerroom standpoint. He was a great teammate.

Still need to address the backup PG spot.

[yosemiteben]

If this was a 3 dimensional chess move by Cho to open up the MLE this summer (and MJ is willing to use it) that would be sweet. In that case we'd be trading Hawes/Hibbert for a better backup C + MLE player likely to also be better than any of our current backups. Not sure we're that smart though.

I'm sure they know that they have to be over the cap to have the MLE, and I'm positive they'll use it. No way that just pass on a player that could help the team make and advance in the playoffs because they don't want to spend $5M.

[fatlever]

Shame its not Mason. I'm a big fan of his game. Can Miles do 75% of what Mason can do given playing time?

Miles best year '13-'14 in PHX he avgd 25 mins, 52% fg, 8 rebs, 8 pts
Mason's best year '15-'16 in POR he avgd 25 mins, 52% fg, 8 rebs, 9 pts

Miles has been buried in MIL so hard to judge his current level
Mason outperforming his best statistical year this year

Can Miles pass like Mason? Can he handle the ball like Mason? Mason is great at catching the ball on the move after a PnR then quickly making a quality pass out to a shooter, something Cody has really improved at this year.

[yosemiteben]

Still need to address the backup PG spot.

Very curious to saw how they do this. Sessions isn't much of a PNR PG.

The biggest disappointment is that when we are looking awful on the floor Miles is much less likely to give us wtf lulz than Hawes did.

[EwingSweatsALot]

[fatlever]

It is the one thing he does really well, much better than any other center on our roster. The problem is our offense doesn't make any sense and it doesn't seem to use the PnR anymore which renders Miles completely useless. He is no where near as bad as he looked, but he needs some kind of PG play to be useful.

That's great because both Kemba and Batum are fantastic in PnR, Kemba as a scorer and Batum as a passer. I'm 100% sure this is why we went after Miles.

[yosemiteben]

Miles is like an older Cody with not much upside. They will have the exact same role.

[fatlever]

Still need to address the backup PG spot.

Very curious to saw how they do this. Sessions isn't much of a PNR PG.

The biggest disappointment is that when we are looking awful on the floor Miles is much less likely to give us wtf lulz than Hawes did.

Right, plugging Miles into the backup C spot won't help much if Sessions is just doing his thing, running into 5 defenders. Batum on the 2nd unit will help some.

Roy completely useless on offense, Hawes somewhat, but his preference is Princeton style, high post, cutters, which is a big difference vs how we play with starters, and probably why Hawes with starters is a disaster.

[DingleJerry]

Miles wasn't buried in MKE. he was the starting C to start the year and was so bad, completely incompetent type bad that he's been benched. He couldn't catch a pass, fumlbed rebounds, it looked like he'd never played the game before. Since Henson is also terrible, they gave him another shot recently. He played one or two competent games then went back to being complete trash again. Positive spin for you, maybe an elite PnR guy like Kemba can fix him. But i'm sorry guys, I think this is really bad for Cha, he looks completely lost.

[amcoolio]

Cho's last gasp before he is fired. All cap flexibility gone. Even if Miles revitalizes his career, the Hornets start winning and make the playoffs, its a really bad deal. You can't have 26 million in Zeller and Plumlee as your centers.

City is cursed, I tell you. Team is cursed. Our fanbase is tortured. With no help in sight.

[fatlever]

If he's as broken as the Bucks fans say, then yeah, this deal gets really ugly, really fast.

Still not sure this deal moves the needle much for us in the East, even if Miles regains his PnR form here.

[amcoolio]

This is a deal you do for Monroe, not for Plumlee.

What was Cho thinking? I mean seriously?

[yosemiteben]

I say this with complete seriousness - my least favorite thing about this team is the fact that we don't get to hear any trade rumors before deals are announced. I would love to have a GM that is constantly stirring the pot.

[yosemiteben]

This is a deal you do for Monroe, not for Plumlee.

What was Cho thinking? I mean seriously?

Probably that Miles can be more effective than Monroe for this team. Cody's effectiveness is the blueprint.

[M-C-G]

If he's as broken as the Bucks fans say, then yeah, this deal gets really ugly, really fast.

Still not sure this deal moves the needle much for us in the East, even if Miles regains his PnR form here.

He has been bad this season, but he is not this bad. He is heavily dependent on the PnR and if you aren't running it, he isn't really doing much for you. His confidence seemed shattered this season, a change of scenery is exactly what this guy needs (along with someone that can run a damn PnR)

[skones]

If he's as broken as the Bucks fans say, then yeah, this deal gets really ugly, really fast.

Still not sure this deal moves the needle much for us in the East, even if Miles regains his PnR form here.

He honestly looked like one of the worst players in the league when on the floor. Incredibly lethargic on defense, super late to challenge shots, a lot of fouls (though a few are ticky tacky as he seems to go straight up with two hands when he does challenge). I just think he's a low IQ player.

Charlotte should hope that he REALLY didn't want to be in Milwaukee , and a move reinvigorates him but I wouldn't hold my breath. He's not been any type of legitimate roleplayer here all season long.

I'm honestly shocked we were able to move him. I thought we were stuck with him for 4.

[yosemiteben]

Woj write up, mildly interesting stuff bolded:

Spoiler:

The Milwaukee Bucks have traded Miles Plumlee to the Charlotte Hornets for 7-footers Roy Hibbert and Spencer Hawes – and released forward Steve Novak, league sources told The Vertical.

Charlotte and Milwaukee have a trade call set for Thursday afternoon with the league office, sources said.

The Hornets have been determined to upgrade their rebounding and defense in the frontcourt and consider Plumlee an upgrade. Milwaukee had been motivated to trade one of its two centers on long-term deals – Plumlee or Greg Monroe, league sources said.

Plumlee makes $12.5 million this season and has two years, $25 million-plus left on his four-year contract.

Charlotte considered Hibbert a failed experiment, and Hawes’ role had substantially decreased with the emergence of 2015 first-round pick Frank Kaminsky.

Hibbert has an expiring contract, and Hawes has a player option on the $6 million owed to him in 2017-18.

Charlotte is planning to sign center Mike Tobey from its Greensboro NBA Development League franchise to a 10-day contract, league sources told The Vertical’s Shams Charania.

Milwaukee clears salary cap space in the deal, which, in part, will help in working to re-sign restricted free-agent forward Tony Snell to a contract extension. Snell’s value has increased because of a solid season with the Bucks.

Not exactly sure what Frank has to do with Hawes's role, except I guess that we've been mildly successful plugging him in next to Marv.

[Zion Wembanyama]

I say this with complete seriousness - my least favorite thing about this team is the fact that we don't get to hear any trade rumors before deals are announced. I would love to have a GM that is constantly stirring the pot.

The Pelicans are the same way. Go figure.