Lonzo Ball

No-Man · Post #321 » by **No-Man** » Thu Feb 2, 2017 10:26 pm

reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

that's dope but counting on that it's unreal, I think Josh can be better than that, Dennis not so sure.

cksdayoff · Post #322 » by **cksdayoff** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 12:38 am

reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

Lonzo with Nash offense and Kidd defense is a first ballot hall of famer. Definitely take him over DSJ or JJ.

WalterBenjamin · Post #323 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:34 am

reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

Crazy as it is ther are people who think he could turn out to be that. Nash on offense. :lol:

reanimator · Post #324 » by **reanimator** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:38 am

WalterBenjamin wrote:
reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

Nash on offense.

its not a joke, though. thats his ceiling in the right system.

peachbucket · Post #325 » by **peachbucket** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 4:42 am

reanimator wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:
reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

Nash on offense.

its not a joke, though. thats his ceiling in the right system.

Yes it is...and that system may be in Boston.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #326 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 5:40 am

If he creates 2-3 extra shots in mid-range he could match Nash in terms of being a 17 point scorer, compared to a J-Will, Rubio, Rondo with a 3 which may project to 14 ppg, which is what he is now at college.

Post #327 » by **Marcus** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 5:46 am

Some of the remaining questions I had about his form affecting some of his shots is starting to wane for me a little. His stroke going right seems to be just as smooth as it is going left. I still think the stepback going that way needs to be proven. Also the midrange pull up looks like it might not be as much of a problem. Needs more volume but it looked quick, decisive, and smooth. There may be more in the bag going forward. Time will tell.

peachbucket · Post #328 » by **peachbucket** » Fri Feb 3, 2017 6:42 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If he creates 2-3 extra shots in mid-range he could match Nash in terms of being a 17 point scorer, compared to a J-Will, Rubio, Rondo with a 3 which may project to 14 ppg, which is what he is now at college.

He is shooting .538 which is incredible for a guard. Do you really think he can't score at least 17 a game right now if he wanted to?
I don't think he will have any issue scoring 18+ in the NBA.

TKainZero · Post #329 » by **TKainZero** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:10 am

Is he too unselfish?

Post #330 » by **Marcus** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:22 am

TKainZero wrote:Is he too unselfish?

He can be. Needs to at least threaten the attack to the basket and the possibility of the score when he drives.

jrob23 · Post #331 » by **jrob23** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:49 am

He had the best game I've seen him play, tonight. Totally outplayed Fultz on both ends. He's a real difference maker. If I thought there was a chance the Celtics would take a PG I'd want him, otherwise I'm fine with Isaac. Ball is going to be a star and he makes his team better. He really does have a similar style to Kidd with how quiet but intense he is.

Post #332 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 7:38 am

Ball was super active tonight on defense. There was a good 3-4 shots Fultz had to abandon mid way through because of the pressure Ball put on. Had to have had somewhere around 10 tipped passes. Great game for him today.

CptCrunch · Post #333 » by **CptCrunch** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 7:44 am

I'm moving Ball up. Fultz down.

DSJ is now #1

HeartBreakKid · Post #334 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:10 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
reanimator wrote:If Lonzo develops craft around the rim and maxes out as Steve Nash on offense and Jason Kidd on defense would that be worthy of a 2nd pick or do yall see DSJ and JJ as having higher ceilings than that hypothetical?

Lonzo with Nash offense and Kidd defense is a first ballot hall of famer. Definitely take him over DSJ or JJ.

Technically speaking wouldn't Nash offense alone make you a first ballot hall of famer?

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Post #335 » by **Marcus** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:04 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Ball was super active tonight on defense. There was a good 3-4 shots Fultz had to abandon mid way through because of the pressure Ball put on. Had to have had somewhere around 10 tipped passes. Great game for him today.

Seems like dude goes out to gradually answer questions about his game. Shooting more going right, floaters, getting the midrange off, form on his free throw looks cleaner, more active on defense, and more take over.

It's like he reads the boards and says "OK, I'll show you that next game"

Post #336 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 10:44 pm

Marcus wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Ball was super active tonight on defense. There was a good 3-4 shots Fultz had to abandon mid way through because of the pressure Ball put on. Had to have had somewhere around 10 tipped passes. Great game for him today.

Seems like dude goes out to gradually answer questions about his game. Shooting more going right, floaters, getting the midrange off, form on his free throw looks cleaner, more active on defense, and more take over.

It's like he reads the boards and says "OK, I'll show you that next game"

Yup I was kind of thinking the same thing. Saw the floater from about 14ft and the jumper moving to his right and I thought, this dude has been hearing his criticisms.

The announcers said it and I agree, it seemed like Ball knew the hype of the matchup and upped his game when Fultz didn't really. There just seemed to be a little extra energy from Ball to try and show he was the #1 guy. A ton of energy on defense, he was freaking everywhere defensively, flying high to grab a lot of rebounds, being a little more aggressive offensively and showing off some stuff people were wondering if he had. That was an extremely impressive performance.

The-Power · Post #337 » by **The-Power** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 11:12 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:The announcers said it and I agree, it seemed like Ball knew the hype of the matchup and upped his game when Fultz didn't really. There just seemed to be a little extra energy from Ball to try and show he was the #1 guy.

I wouldn't read too much into it. The circumstances were just too different. Ball plays next to other good offensive players who can execute. Fultz on the other hand has little talent around him, they were down early with really poor possessions involving his teammates and he was being treated as the only real threat by UCLA's defense from start to finish. If opponents can key in on you and your teammates don't do anything to punish them it wears you down physically and mentally and it's also harder to look good compared to a player whose team's offense works and includes talented players Of course Ball helps his teammates tremendously but they are obviously much more talented regardless compared to what Fultz has to deal with.

Post #338 » by **Duke4life831** » Sun Feb 5, 2017 11:18 pm

The-Power wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The announcers said it and I agree, it seemed like Ball knew the hype of the matchup and upped his game when Fultz didn't really. There just seemed to be a little extra energy from Ball to try and show he was the #1 guy.

I wouldn't read too much into it. The circumstances were just too different. Ball plays next to other good offensive players who can execute. Fultz on the other hand has little talent around him, they were down early with really poor possessions involving his teammates and he was being treated as the only real threat by UCLA's defense from start to finish. If opponents can key in on you and your teammates don't do anything to punish them it wears you down physically and mentally and it's also harder to look good compared to a player whose team's offense works and includes talented players Of course Ball helps his teammates tremendously but they are obviously much more talented regardless compared to what Fultz has to deal with.

I'm not saying it's a big thing or anything like that. I'm just saying that it felt like Ball wanted to show out against his biggest personal competition. I just didn't see that extra giddy up in Fultz step like I saw in Ball's. I'm not saying it to put down Fultz either, just as a fan of the game it was cool kind of seeing it was obvious Ball wanted to show out last night.

Same thing happened earlier this year with DSJ, wanted to see him really show out on the big stage against UNC and his energy was just flat, like it wasn't a big game. When he played Duke you saw the extra pep in his step. As a fan it's fun seeing these guys really get up for big games and push it a little harder than normal.

Chi town · Post #339 » by **Chi town** » Mon Feb 6, 2017 5:08 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:The announcers said it and I agree, it seemed like Ball knew the hype of the matchup and upped his game when Fultz didn't really. There just seemed to be a little extra energy from Ball to try and show he was the #1 guy.

I wouldn't read too much into it. The circumstances were just too different. Ball plays next to other good offensive players who can execute. Fultz on the other hand has little talent around him, they were down early with really poor possessions involving his teammates and he was being treated as the only real threat by UCLA's defense from start to finish. If opponents can key in on you and your teammates don't do anything to punish them it wears you down physically and mentally and it's also harder to look good compared to a player whose team's offense works and includes talented players Of course Ball helps his teammates tremendously but they are obviously much more talented regardless compared to what Fultz has to deal with.

I'm not saying it's a big thing or anything like that. I'm just saying that it felt like Ball wanted to show out against his biggest personal competition. I just didn't see that extra giddy up in Fultz step like I saw in Ball's. I'm not saying it to put down Fultz either, just as a fan of the game it was cool kind of seeing it was obvious Ball wanted to show out last night.

Same thing happened earlier this year with DSJ, wanted to see him really show out on the big stage against UNC and his energy was just flat, like it wasn't a big game. When he played Duke you saw the extra pep in his step. As a fan it's fun seeing these guys really get up for big games and push it a little harder than normal.

This is why I'd take Ball #1. He's a winner and a competitor. He loves the game. I'm all in on the Bulls trading Jimmy Butler to get Ball. I think he is that good. He will elevate all his teammates and his game fits in the modern NBA perfectly.

No-Man · Post #340 » by **No-Man** » Mon Feb 6, 2017 2:02 pm

Marcus wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Ball was super active tonight on defense. There was a good 3-4 shots Fultz had to abandon mid way through because of the pressure Ball put on. Had to have had somewhere around 10 tipped passes. Great game for him today.

Seems like dude goes out to gradually answer questions about his game. Shooting more going right, floaters, getting the midrange off, form on his free throw looks cleaner, more active on defense, and more take over.

It's like he reads the boards and says "OK, I'll show you that next game"

He is still painful to watch finishing at the rim, so awkward, he's no fluid at all.