Bucks Trade Miles Plumlee For Roy Hibbert & Spencer Hawes

[og15]

Does MJ control all the day to day transactions or is Cho allowed to do his job? People always seem to mention MJ when Charlotte does anything so what's the situation?

[Chuck Everett]

Does MJ control all the day to day transactions or is Cho allowed to do his job? People always seem to mention MJ when Charlotte does anything so what's the situation?

Rich Cho is clearly the basketball operations person, but because Jordan is who he is, people continue to blame him. It's asinine.

[baldur]

John Henson
Thon maker
Teletovic
Hawes
Hibbert
Monroe
Beasley.

It is not so reasonable for bucks either.

$40 million

Maybe $6 million

Yeah, not very reasonable.......

in other words, bucks wasted 13 million dollars.

[Baddy Chuck]

John Henson
Thon maker
Teletovic
Hawes
Hibbert
Monroe
Beasley.

It is not so reasonable for bucks either.

$40 million

Maybe $6 million

Yeah, not very reasonable.......

in other words, bucks wasted 13 million dollars.

In other words they made a mistake and corrected said mistake to the best of their abilities. How unreasonable.

[RRyder823]

How in the world did the Bucks signed :
Monroe - Center - 3 years - 51M
Plumlee - Center - 4 years - 50M
Henson - C/PF - 4 years - 48M
Mirza - PF - 3 years - 31M

ALL OF THIS IN 2 YEARS, all of them are being traded for cap space(ok, Monroe could fetch some 2nds)
That's 52M per year between some useless guys.

HOW IN THE WORLD NO ONE WAS FIRED

If we're using this trade as a barometer then Monroe is fetching a mid first. Probably a high lottery pick with this deal setting the market

How the hell we didn't need to trade a pick to unload Plumlee is nothing short of amazing. Hornets fans take it from a Bucks fan. Don't try and work any mental gymnastics trying to convince yourselves he'll help in any way. He's beyond bad on a horrible deal. I wish you guys luck but damn he's bad.

Hopefully Hammond bought Cho dinner first. Wined n dined him maybe. Kissed him. Told him he loved him. Otherwise it's just rude to do what he did to him here



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[asudevil]

If Miles fits in well, his contact will bump us in to MLE territory next summer (newly increased next summer to just over $8M) so actually prevents us from having to dump assets to create cap space, so it's not just a $ for $ reduction in cap space.

I don't understand this bit. What do you mean "dump assets to create cap space?"

Next summer CHA had somewhere in the neighborhood of $96M in salary obligations, depending on whether Hawes exercised his PO. He's been terrible and is unlikely to have the opportunity to salvage that value as a third string big, so if we wanted to create more than the $6M in space we would have if he exercised his PO then we would have to make a move to clear it, since we'd be under the cap and wouldn't have the MLE. We tried packaging him and our pick last summer before the draft to clear space, and no one would do it.

With this move, we get a better fit at backup C and with the MLE still have more cap space than we would have had if we had just stayed put.

That's not exactly how the MLE works.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

Essentially by keeping Hawes the Bobcats would have either had $6mil in cap space by renouncing their exemptions OR the full use of their exemptions in order to go over the cap.

Adding Plumlee didnt CREATE anything for the Bobcats, it mearly added to their total team salary. So the question becomes is Plumlee's production more valuable than Hawes' at double the price for double the years?

[yosemiteben]

I don't understand this bit. What do you mean "dump assets to create cap space?"

Next summer CHA had somewhere in the neighborhood of $96M in salary obligations, depending on whether Hawes exercised his PO. He's been terrible and is unlikely to have the opportunity to salvage that value as a third string big, so if we wanted to create more than the $6M in space we would have if he exercised his PO then we would have to make a move to clear it, since we'd be under the cap and wouldn't have the MLE. We tried packaging him and our pick last summer before the draft to clear space, and no one would do it.

With this move, we get a better fit at backup C and with the MLE still have more cap space than we would have had if we had just stayed put.

That's not exactly how the MLE works.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

Essentially by keeping Hawes the Bobcats would have either had $6mil in cap space by renouncing their exemptions OR the full use of their exemptions in order to go over the cap.

Adding Plumlee didnt CREATE anything for the Bobcats, it mearly added to their total team salary. So the question becomes is Plumlee's production more valuable than Hawes' at double the price for double the years?

If Hawes exercised his PO, we still would have been under the cap by around $6M and unable to utilize the full MLE.

[asudevil]

How in the world did the Bucks signed :
Monroe - Center - 3 years - 51M
Plumlee - Center - 4 years - 50M
Henson - C/PF - 4 years - 48M
Mirza - PF - 3 years - 31M

ALL OF THIS IN 2 YEARS, all of them are being traded for cap space(ok, Monroe could fetch some 2nds)
That's 52M per year between some useless guys.

HOW IN THE WORLD NO ONE WAS FIRED

If we're using this trade as a barometer then Monroe is fetching a mid first. Probably a high lottery pick with this deal setting the market

How the hell we didn't need to trade a pick to unload Plumlee is nothing short of amazing. Hornets fans take it from a Bucks fan. Don't try and work any mental gymnastics trying to convince yourselves he'll help in any way. He's beyond bad on a horrible deal. I wish you guys luck but damn he's bad.

Hopefully Hammond bought Cho dinner first. Wined n dined him maybe. Kissed him. Told him he loved him. Otherwise it's just rude to do what he did to him here



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Player1:
11.1/6.8/0.5 51% from the field

Player2:
8.8/11.8/0.5 68% from the field

who do you choose?

[asudevil]

Next summer CHA had somewhere in the neighborhood of $96M in salary obligations, depending on whether Hawes exercised his PO. He's been terrible and is unlikely to have the opportunity to salvage that value as a third string big, so if we wanted to create more than the $6M in space we would have if he exercised his PO then we would have to make a move to clear it, since we'd be under the cap and wouldn't have the MLE. We tried packaging him and our pick last summer before the draft to clear space, and no one would do it.

With this move, we get a better fit at backup C and with the MLE still have more cap space than we would have had if we had just stayed put.

That's not exactly how the MLE works.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

Essentially by keeping Hawes the Bobcats would have either had $6mil in cap space by renouncing their exemptions OR the full use of their exemptions in order to go over the cap.

Adding Plumlee didnt CREATE anything for the Bobcats, it mearly added to their total team salary. So the question becomes is Plumlee's production more valuable than Hawes' at double the price for double the years?

If Hawes exercised his PO, we still would have been under the cap by around $6M and unable to utilize the full MLE.

Incorrect.

You HAVE the MLE, and by renouncing it you would have $6mil in cap space. And i'll quote from my link:

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $58 million, and a team has $51.5 million committed to salaries. They also have a Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a trade exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions also count toward their team salary, increasing their total to $62 million, or $4 million over the cap. So the team actually has no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use its exceptions to sign players.

Teams have the option to renounce their exceptions in order to reclaim their cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $51.5 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which then can be used to sign free agent(s).

The Bobcats would actually have no cap space and would have to use the MLE to sign a player anyways....unless they renounced it, which would be stupid because the value of the MLE is greater than the cap space they would have if they renounced it.

[jackwindham]

Cho is allowed to do his job, but for a trade like this, I'm guessing he consulted with others, including Jordan, in the organization.

[yosemiteben]

I see. In any event, we did not lose any cap space because the MLE is greater than the cap space we would have been left with if Hawes exercised his PO.

[asudevil]

I see. In any event, we did not lose any cap space because the MLE is greater than the cap space we would have been left with if Hawes exercised his PO.

correct.

So the question again is Plumlee worth 2x times the money for 2x times the years?

[Jez2983]

How in the world did the Bucks signed :
Monroe - Center - 3 years - 51M
Plumlee - Center - 4 years - 50M
Henson - C/PF - 4 years - 48M
Mirza - PF - 3 years - 31M

ALL OF THIS IN 2 YEARS, all of them are being traded for cap space(ok, Monroe could fetch some 2nds)
That's 52M per year between some useless guys.

HOW IN THE WORLD NO ONE WAS FIRED

Hammond is like a cockroach.... Nuclear war could wipe out human existence and the only one to survive would be Hammond.

This is Hammond's 9th season as general manager. In those 9 seasons the Bucks have been over .500 once. They are currently on a 7 season streak of finishing below .500 that probably won't be broken this year.

In the span of 2 year they have traded a first for Greivis Vasquez; took Michael Carter Williams over the Lakers pick this year; traded Zaza, Ersan, and Dudley for nothing; and signed Henson, Monroe, Plumlee, Mirza, and Deledova to a total of $215 million worth of contracts.

Oh and he also was telling everyone that our 23 year old draft pick was 19. That was my favorite part. They couldn't figure out with all their resources what it took a message board a half of a day to crack. This is our front office.

God, I'm so sorry for you guys. Loved the bucks with healthy Bogut(before that elbow injury) he was a beast, but the rest of the roster was so terribly constructed...

Terribly constructed roster you say? The more things change...

[jbk1234]

$40 million

Maybe $6 million

Yeah, not very reasonable.......

in other words, bucks wasted 13 million dollars.

In other words they made a mistake and corrected said mistake to the best of their abilities. How unreasonable.

I'd argue they made a huge mistake and pulled a rabbit out of their hat making someone else pay for that mistake w/o giving up a pick.

[Baddy Chuck]

in other words, bucks wasted 13 million dollars.

In other words they made a mistake and corrected said mistake to the best of their abilities. How unreasonable.

I'd argue they made a huge mistake and pulled a rabbit out of their hat making someone else pay for that mistake w/o giving up a pick.

Sure, that works too.

[naabzor]

How is that possible?

[Pachinko_]

LOL I still can't believe someone took Plumlee's contract

[Moahst]

I had no idea Miles Plumlee is 28 years old. How is this possible?

[Pachinko_]

he was born 28 years ago

[GlenRiceARoni]

I see. In any event, we did not lose any cap space because the MLE is greater than the cap space we would have been left with if Hawes exercised his PO.

correct.

So the question again is Plumlee worth 2x times the money for 2x times the years?

Probably yes.

Our numbers on defense TANK when hawes is in thr game 2014 Philly 76ers style.

Hawes and hibbert are bottom of the barrel backup bigs. Both are essentially unplayable you bleed so many points with them in.

Plumlee stops the bleeding and allows us to play at the level of a 46-50 win team again once cody comes back from injury.

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