Windhorst & Stein: Bucks trade Plumlee to Hornets for Hawes and Hibbert

[MikeIsGood]

Call me crazy but I'm shocked people want to get rid of Monroe. I guess if you think he's going to opt out and get paid more elsewhere. I don't see a reason he can't stick around on a deal similar to what he makes now. He's a good player to have. I think we're still caught up on the fact that we gave him a max deal, even though we all knew the cap was going to skyrocket.

Monroe has really surprised me this year. Came in lean, gives max effort, took the new role in stride. That all said, he's not a guy I want to watch play for my favorite team for another year or more. Still a really bad defender and overall frustrating player. Sell "high" right now.

I think I'm on the same boat. I definitely give him a ton of credit for the way he's worked his ass off to become a better fit. He's not the same plodding center who sits in the paint and waits to get the ball - he's leading fast breaks and working his ass off and trying like hell on defense. He's a good teammate.

If he was about 10% better at finishing around the rim, I'd even consider giving him a similar contract again because that would make him an elite offensive player - with the caveat that I'd expect Kidd, or whoever replaced him, to implement a defensive scheme that isn't so dependent on Monroe closing out shooters. I could see him leading the second unit.

But right now, he's not a good enough finisher, and he is a massive liability on defense when you already have to cover for Jabari. He's also going to want a huge contract that I'm not giving him.

So, I'd definitely try to move him.

In the same boat. Monroe is still a really good player, I feel, and he's not a liability from a chemistry perspective which has been a plus obviously - been nice that he hasn't bitched about coming off the bench or made a fuss. But all of that said, he still doesn't fit for the team. If we're going to move forward with Jabari, which I hope we do, and he isn't going to improve his defense, which I'm not banking on, then we need a defensive center. I suppose we could keep bringing Monroe off the bench and working him in different units from Jabari, but I'm not sure that's the best value.

[MikeIsGood]

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It became known as the first case of message board schizophrenia, but not the last.

I missed the actual posts, so I thought all of this happened until I went back to check

[Ruzious]

Plumlee's contract was certainly not "market value." Better players got like 49 million less dollars.

this trade proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, in retrospect, that of course it was market value.

that doesn't mean we should have done it.... but the fact other teams would have make it the very definition of "market value"

and what other players get....... doesn't have a damn thing to do with what teams are willing to pay for miles plumlee. what other teams are willing to pay for miles plumlee determines his market value. guys like dedmon obviously were undervalued in retrospect.

I think all it proves is that Charlotte is a poorly run organization, and Michael Jordan should find another hobby.

Lots of teams made bad decisions last offseason - and usually rushed to do it. The Wiz rushed to sign Mahinmi for 4/64 immediately after they failed on Horford. San Antonio waits and gets Dedmon (who was basically the same player as Mahinmi) for peanuts.

[Treebeard]

The Knicks apparently wanted to pull in a third party to help facilitate moving Carmelo. Monroe's big salary might be useful in any deal there.

[Chapter29]

I want Henson and Monroe off this team. Henson is a bench bum and Monroe and Middleton don't pair well. Do we have a '17 free agent thread brewing?

How do you know that Monroe and Middleton don't pair well? I don't agree with this at all.

Monroe has transformed his game quite a bit from last year and I think he fits in pretty well. Besides its somewhat irrelevant because Middleton is a starter and Monroe is our bench big.

We have not seen the new Monroe with Middleton yet.

Henson is a bum and needs to go. Monroe should stay period and is welcome back IMO next year.

[M-C-G]

The Knicks apparently wanted to pull in a third party to help facilitate moving Carmelo. Monroe's big salary might be useful in any deal there.

It is really hard and I just started clicking try to make it work, so with little to no regard for values

LAC: Melo, Henson, Jet
NYK: Rivers, Moose, Crawford, Speights, Pierce
MKE: KOQ, Kuzminkas, Lee, Bass, Wes Johnson

So at least we know it is physically possible to do

PG: Delly, Brog
SG: Snell, Lee, Midds
SF: Parker, Beasley, Wes
PF: Giannis, Kuzminkas, Telly
C: Thon, KOQ, Bass, Hawes, Hibbert

Would have some work to do to reshape the roster and I am sure there are more simplistic ways for making that deal happen.

[ackypoo]

The Knicks apparently wanted to pull in a third party to help facilitate moving Carmelo. Monroe's big salary might be useful in any deal there.

i keep hearing orlando is looking for offense.

if they could convince carmelo to waive that no trade clause id take jeff green and a 1st for monroe.

[M-C-G]

The Knicks apparently wanted to pull in a third party to help facilitate moving Carmelo. Monroe's big salary might be useful in any deal there.

i keep hearing orlando is looking for offense.

if they could convince carmelo to waive that no trade clause id take jeff green and a 1st for monroe.

Mirza to Orlando could make some sense.

[imithanos]

Btw, I personally think that there is no chance we move Henson. Hammond actually singed Plums in case Moose lives this coming off-season. That is one year ahead. He was that cautious. I don't think he will risk having just Thon and Hawes(?) next summer. Unless they realized how much Henson sucks.

[M-C-G]

Btw, I personally think that there is no chance we move Henson. Hammond actually singed Plums in case Moose lives this coming off-season. That is one year ahead. He was that cautious. I don't think he will risk having just Thon and Hawes(?) next summer. Unless they realized how much Henson sucks.

I think that might have been the thought if Henson didn't just completely get broken down by being in the starting line up. For years everyone here, including myself, kept wondering how Henson couldn't get a shot at starting, but once we see him having to face starters night in and night out, it was obvious that he couldn't maintain effectiveness. We all know that now.

So if that is the case, moving him and trying to start fresh at the center position with Maker sure seems to make a lot of sense. Go find the pieces that compliment him. Dedmon and Withey should both be reasonable guys to sign which for what we were probably paying just Plumlee. Have Maker split time with one or both of them, have Hawes be your DNP guy.

[BucksFanSD]

I want Henson and Monroe off this team. Henson is a bench bum and Monroe and Middleton don't pair well. Do we have a '17 free agent thread brewing?

How do you know that Monroe and Middleton don't pair well? I don't agree with this at all.

Monroe has transformed his game quite a bit from last year and I think he fits in pretty well. Besides its somewhat irrelevant because Middleton is a starter and Monroe is our bench big.

We have not seen the new Monroe with Middleton yet.

Henson is a bum and needs to go. Monroe should stay period and is welcome back IMO next year.

Middleton likes to post up smaller guards. He needs that space as does Giannis and Jabari when they go to the rim.

Hawes and Hibbert have the skill sets at center that fit very well on this team. They just aren't good any more. Hawes strecthes the court for our core 3 guys to play near the rim. Hibbert sets picks up top, can shoot a jumper, but mainly he isn't a black hole on defense.

Monroe is a black hole on defense and it would be unwise to pay him $17.9 Mil next year. I can't think of any NBA team that is contending which pays that amount of money for a guy at such an in important position (center) for defense and is not good at it.

[DingleJerry]

If they think Moose is opting in they should be trying to dump Henson (should be anyway, but for sure if Moose is back). A 3 man combo of Maker, moose, Haws will get by for a year. Also, use a 2nd rounder and athletic rim runner type like Harrell/Capela types in Houston and hope you get lucky.

[M-C-G]

If they think Moose is opting in they should be trying to dump Henson (should be anyway, but for sure if Moose is back). A 3 man combo of Maker, moose, Haws will get by for a year. Also, use a 2nd rounder and athletic rim runner type like Harrell/Capela types in Houston and hope you get lucky.

I really want to pair Maker with a Harrell type. Physical, energetic and some nasty would be an ideal pairing.

[Perishable517]

Call me crazy but I'm shocked people want to get rid of Monroe. I guess if you think he's going to opt out and get paid more elsewhere. I don't see a reason he can't stick around on a deal similar to what he makes now. He's a good player to have. I think we're still caught up on the fact that we gave him a max deal, even though we all knew the cap was going to skyrocket.

$17 million for a backup center. No thanks.

A backup that closes games and plays more minutes than the starter.

Ricky Pierce wasn't worth it back in the day, either.

[buckboy]

Just a few short months after paying $1.65 million, Plumlord will have to put the house back on the market.

http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/nba-star-miles-plumlee-buys-wisconsin-mansion/

Yeah, I'm working there. There's a decent chance he's keeping it. At least for a while.

Edit: And that article really oversells the house. It's just a big house. Nothing special.

[DingleJerry]

If they think Moose is opting in they should be trying to dump Henson (should be anyway, but for sure if Moose is back). A 3 man combo of Maker, moose, Haws will get by for a year. Also, use a 2nd rounder and athletic rim runner type like Harrell/Capela types in Houston and hope you get lucky.

I really want to pair Maker with a Harrell type. Physical, energetic and some nasty would be an ideal pairing.

Essentially that's all I want in my Cs. Now we have Maker who could be the perfect balance with guys like that so you can matchup against any lineup you need to

[coolhandluke121]

Just a few short months after paying $1.65 million, Plumlord will have to put the house back on the market.

http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/nba-star-miles-plumlee-buys-wisconsin-mansion/

Yeah, I'm working there. There's a decent chance he's keeping it. At least for a while.

Edit: And that article really oversells the house. It's just a big house. Nothing special.

Looks like he was pretty sure Milwaukee was stuck with him too.

[buckboy]

Just a few short months after paying $1.65 million, Plumlord will have to put the house back on the market.

http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/nba-star-miles-plumlee-buys-wisconsin-mansion/

Yeah, I'm working there. There's a decent chance he's keeping it. At least for a while.

Edit: And that article really oversells the house. It's just a big house. Nothing special.

Looks like he was pretty sure Milwaukee was stuck with him too.

Oh, he was a friggin' riot. I overheard him tell his girlfriend many times about how he should've been starting and how good he was compared to others. I'm not going into any more detail than that, but oh man was he deluded.

[drew881]

Plumlee's contract was certainly not "market value." Better players got like 49 million less dollars.

this trade proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, in retrospect, that of course it was market value.

This is an interesting take. The trade at the very least puts Plumlee's contract somewhere on the spectrum of:

There is one other GM/team as stupid as ours----x---- Plumlee's contract is market value.

[worthlessBucks]

Well he's right in reference to Henson getting that extended run.