Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[Def Swami]

Need Joel Embiid to get back on the court ASAP.

[KingRobb02]

I agree with you that the threshold for the average rotation player there days is much higher than it was 30 years ago. But I also think amateur players are better so it works out. My biggest problem with college sports is that it's only around because the pros allow it to be. Of Adam silver raised the nbadl minimum to be 2 million and got rid of the age limit, fewer guys would be going overseas to play and every too high school recruit would be there too. Those games are immediately more fun to watch than a random big ten game. Be honest. Should we live in a world where Brandon Jennings has to choose between playing for a school he doesn't care about or going to Europe? I don't think so. On the flip side, would you prefer your owner spend 15M on Jeff Green, or to splurge on a few lottery tickets on your d league team?

I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think they'd actually consider it, but I think it would be an improvement. I don't personally have sympathy for collegiate athletics. Anyone that has spent any time on a college campus realizes that student-athletes enjoy a decidedly different experience than non-student-athletes. The athletic departments are de facto professional franchises that artificially deflate compensation to their workforce under the guise of equality and maintain only a superficial relationship with the academic institutions they are associated with. The problem is that the two entities share a common audience, and fans are deeply invested in collegiate athletics as well. If the NBA goes to war with the NCAA, everyone loses. Whatever solutions are worked out have to be cooperative in nature.

I mean, if I'm speaking in idealistic terms, I'd prefer a tiered system to professional sports similar to what you find in European soccer leagues, but I'd settle for something less if it improved the quality of the NBA.

I absolutely agree. I got turned off of NCAA sports in general when I found out all the dirt. The only NCAA I pay attention to is magic draft prospects for the past 5 years. I used to be a huge football fan but the fact it's a billion dollar industry and no one we want to watch play gets paid, makes it seem really cheap, especially with the injury risk in football.

They really should have a relegation concept to basketball. Mesh it with ending the NCAA and you could have the NBA without a few franchises plus Kentucky lol.





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I don't think relegation would ever work for an American sport. Just doesn't make sense to me unless you want to do the transfer system as well. No way the NBA sacrifices the best years of someone's prime because they have an incompetent organization around them.

The issue with the NCAA (besides the obvious stuff you guys both pointed to) is that it's in direct competition with the NBA. Nbadl is okay because teams are in different markets and play at different times than the NBA. NCAA games are in the same cities and play their games on the same nights and on the same channels as the NBA. When the ABA tried this, the NBA murdered them. Why are they fine with this now?

[rusoopE]

Relegation would be a huge amount of money lost. Imagine the knicks playing with d leagues teams for example. The NBA and every american sport is about the profits. If you dont fill the expectations of the commisioner you are out (it doesnt care your history look what happened to the sonics)

[rcklsscognition]

So we have a huge cluster of teams right now and it's the month where things start to settle. There are 11 teams within a solid week or two of tanking of each other. Hopeful we stay on track losing 3 out of every 4 and we should be able to fall faster than the other teams. A simple 3 game winning streak right now would be suicidal for the draft.

Anyone can tank easily after the trade deadline, but doing so the few weeks before the deadline will be the difference this season. We will be set if we can secure just 1 win before AS break and go into it with just 20 wins. Lose to the Heat, Mavs, 76ers in there and take a W against the Raptors tonight, or the Spurs/Hawks, and we'll be set.

After the AS break, we only have 3 games against taking teams for the entire rest of the season. 1 against each of Philly, Phoenix, and Miami.

[pepe1991]

If they don't trade Jeff Green ( and there is like 1% chance that they will because nobody wants him ,especially on that salary , nobody has anything to offer that expensive in return ) at March 1 he should be waived .

[NEM]

If they don't trade Jeff Green ( and there is like 1% chance that they will because nobody wants him ,especially on that salary , nobody has anything to offer that expensive in return ) at March 1 he should be waived .

More than half of his salary has already been paid. I could see a playoff team wanting him for depth or a team attaching a multi year contract to a pick or something like that for his expiring. His contract isn't as intradeable as you'd think.

[NEM]

Updated. No major changes from yesterday. Tonight is a big night for us.

[Optimus_Steel]

Toronto gonna be mad about that Sunday game, they gonna punk us. Which is the right thing for the future.

[fendilim]

Toronto gonna be mad about that Sunday game, they gonna punk us. Which is the right thing for the future.

That's good news, right?

[j-ragg]

Man if we could get a second late lotto pick a la 2014 draft by trading Ibaka .... we could go from a pretty below average young core to having one of the best cores in the league.

I still believe in Henny. He will guide us!! (if he's allowed )

We're not getting a lottery Pick for Ibaka alone. Add in Mario? Now that's a possibility

If Hezonja's value is as low as everyone thinks I can't imagine that he is the different between a first round pick and a lotto pick.

[Xatticus]

Man if we could get a second late lotto pick a la 2014 draft by trading Ibaka .... we could go from a pretty below average young core to having one of the best cores in the league.

I still believe in Henny. He will guide us!! (if he's allowed )

We're not getting a lottery Pick for Ibaka alone. Add in Mario? Now that's a possibility

If Hezonja's value is as low as everyone thinks I can't imagine that he is the different between a first round pick and a lotto pick.

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

[OrlandoDream]

We're not getting a lottery Pick for Ibaka alone. Add in Mario? Now that's a possibility

If Hezonja's value is as low as everyone thinks I can't imagine that he is the different between a first round pick and a lotto pick.

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

There is not point in trading Mario unless its in a star package. His value is at an all time low and can only go up from now. We might as well hang on to him and reevaluate next year when he hopefully matures.

[OrlandO]

If Hezonja's value is as low as everyone thinks I can't imagine that he is the different between a first round pick and a lotto pick.

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

There is not point in trading Mario unless its in a star package. His value is at an all time low and can only go up from now. We might as well hang on to him and reevaluate next year when he hopefully matures.

Yeah I don't doubt that there's high interest in him, but Vogel killed his value completely with how he's managing his role/minutes. Can't even make a 30 seconds highlight video of him this season lol. We're probably getting low-balled like crazy. I would hold onto him. Gotta know which direction we're heading as a team before we just throw away another young player. If this ibaka mess sets us back and the new GM wants to extend the rebuild then we want a young player like hezonja on this team.

[OrlandoDream]

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

There is not point in trading Mario unless its in a star package. His value is at an all time low and can only go up from now. We might as well hang on to him and reevaluate next year when he hopefully matures.

Yeah I don't doubt that there's high interest in him, but Vogel killed his value completely with how he's managing his role/minutes. Can't even make a 30 seconds highlight video of him this season lol. We're probably getting low-balled like crazy. I would hold onto him. Gotta know which direction we're heading as a team before we just throw away another young player. If this ibaka mess sets us back and the new GM wants to extend the rebuild then we want a young player like hezonja on this team.

Your avatar I cant take you seriously when you say anything positive about Hezonja with that picture.

But yeah, there is not point in trading him now. In the Vogel/Forcier development we trust. prepare for Manu reincarnation next year

[pepe1991]

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

There is not point in trading Mario unless its in a star package. His value is at an all time low and can only go up from now. We might as well hang on to him and reevaluate next year when he hopefully matures.

Yeah I don't doubt that there's high interest in him, but Vogel killed his value completely with how he's managing his role/minutes. Can't even make a 30 seconds highlight video of him this season lol. We're probably getting low-balled like crazy. I would hold onto him. Gotta know which direction we're heading as a team before we just throw away another young player. If this ibaka mess sets us back and the new GM wants to extend the rebuild then we want a young player like hezonja on this team.

Can't play somebody who is 21, too busy collecting all that wins and showcasing Green for future contract.

Sacrasm aside, when you are on bottom of the league everybody will low-ball you . Especially if your GM has history of awful trades where other GMs m were making him look like Stevie Wonder at shooting practice.

[Statlanta]

Toronto gonna be mad about that Sunday game, they gonna punk us. Which is the right thing for the future.

That's good news, right?

Yes. The real hope that Orlando fans have though is that they make Jeff Green and C.J. Watson looks so bad Vogel has no choice but to play the young guys. Like last home game I hope they will literally beat the **** onto the court in Mario and that other SG prospect.

[Bensational]

Need Joel Embiid to get back on the court ASAP.

Embiid off the court is a good way to highlight to some people that Brett Brown isn't an amazing coach and Philly aren't that much better than us, they're just lucky enough to have Embiid.

[InFlames]

It's been mentioned that there is a lot of interest in Mario, albeit coming from teams with low-ball offers due to his current situation with Orlando. I think it was Adam that said the Magic receive more calls about him than anyone else on the roster. That there is this much interest in him is evidence that he possesses some value. I wouldn't expect a team to offer anything of significance for him alone, however, I could see him moving the needle in another deal as he is still perceived as a legitimate asset. That said, his age is a significant factor in his status as a prospect and that clock keeps ticking.

There is not point in trading Mario unless its in a star package. His value is at an all time low and can only go up from now. We might as well hang on to him and reevaluate next year when he hopefully matures.

Yeah I don't doubt that there's high interest in him, but Vogel killed his value completely with how he's managing his role/minutes. Can't even make a 30 seconds highlight video of him this season lol. We're probably getting low-balled like crazy. I would hold onto him. Gotta know which direction we're heading as a team before we just throw away another young player. If this ibaka mess sets us back and the new GM wants to extend the rebuild then we want a young player like hezonja on this team.

Bruh, your avatar.

[SOUL]

Need Joel Embiid to get back on the court ASAP.

Embiid off the court is a good way to highlight to some people that Brett Brown isn't an amazing coach and Philly aren't that much better than us, they're just lucky enough to have Embiid.

They've still won some nice games without him. Now, a team without him, Noel AND Covington is going to have issues.

[pepe1991]

Need Joel Embiid to get back on the court ASAP.

Embiid off the court is a good way to highlight to some people that Brett Brown isn't an amazing coach and Philly aren't that much better than us, they're just lucky enough to have Embiid.

That's why you tank, to get guy like Embiid. Also there is solid chance that Simmons will be really good. Rare combination of passing, athletic tools, rebounding and size