Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[AFM]

You are on crack, brother

[J-Ves]

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Here's another playoff team who has many experiences with Lou Williams. Not too favorable.

Hey, I get that giving up a first for Williams is a poor long term move, but don't tell me that adding one of the best bench scorers in the league to a bench that can't score wouldn't improve this team right now. He would be replacing Trey Freaking Burke in the rotation. TREY FREAKING BURKE!

[montestewart]

Somebody smarter than me explain why Charlotte traded away an extremely valuable expiring in Hibbert for Miles freakin Plumlee?

There's a Springtime for Hitler feel to the trade. Could backfire

[deneem4]

You are on crack, brother

Hardaway Jr is monster...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You are on crack, brother

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

You are on crack, brother

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

Happy Birthday brother! Hope you had a great one.

[payitforward]

You are on crack, brother

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

Only if they agree to swap R2 picks as well!

Happy birthday, amigo!!

[payitforward]

You are on crack, brother

Hardaway Jr is monster...

Is he? Well, his TS% is slightly below average for a wing, his rebounding is significantly below average for a wing. His assists are below average....

You're right -- sounds like a monster to me.

[AFM]

You are on crack, brother

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

56!!!! Happy birthday man...

[dangermouse]

Terrible trades, or home wins

Which is the longer streak?

[stevemcqueen1]

Somebody smarter than me explain why Charlotte traded away an extremely valuable expiring in Hibbert for Miles freakin Plumlee?

I'm dumb but I think Hibbert's expiring wasn't that valuable. Just 5 million dollars. Also the cap is set to jump again, so a lot of teams are going to have cap space. As for why they wanted Miles Plumlee, my guess is they got confused and thought they were trading for Mason Plumlee. Perfectly reasonable mistake.

[Ruzious]

Pass on moving a first for Lou and/or Young.

Will Barton, on the other hand...

Lou would help us way more than Barton.

Getting back to the Lou Williams discussion, I've generally felt he's been overrated, but now he's underrated. At 30, he's having easily the best season of his career. He now is the best 3rd guard in the NBA, imo - unless I'm missing someone, and that's our biggest need assuming Mahinmi comes back and is effective. He's averaging 29.9 points per 40 minutes! - and doing it at a more efficient rate than he's ever had. Lou's signed for this year and next at 7 mil a year. If the Lakers are willing to take on Nicholson's salary (which has 3 more years at just a little less per year than Lou's), I'd give up our 2018 first rounder - unprotected - as long as Ted is willing to pay the lux tax next season - because I think that makes us a 50 plus win team next season as well as this season. Would you give up our 2017 pick instead? I might. It'd show the team and the fans that management is going all out to go for it now.

[pcbothwel]

Pass on moving a first for Lou and/or Young.

Will Barton, on the other hand...

Lou would help us way more than Barton.

Getting back to the Lou Williams discussion, I've generally felt he's been overrated, but now he's underrated. At 30, he's having easily the best season of his career. He now is the best 3rd guard in the NBA, imo - unless I'm missing someone, and that's our biggest need assuming Mahinmi comes back and is effective. He's averaging 29.9 points per 40 minutes! - and doing it at a more efficient rate than he's ever had. Lou's signed for this year and next at 7 mil a year. If the Lakers are willing to take on Nicholson's salary (which has 3 more years at just a little less per year than Lou's), I'd give up our 2018 first rounder - unprotected - as long as Ted is willing to pay the lux tax next season - because I think that makes us a 50 plus win team next season as well as this season. Would you give up our 2017 pick instead? I might. It'd show the team and the fans that management is going all out to go for it now.

Ruz, I am very open to trading the 2018 pick. Oubre, Sato, McClellan, 2017 pick is enough depth/youth that losing a 2018 pick wouldnt hurt.

But I do think that same package (Nicholson + 1st) will be even more valuable this offseason. The 2017 draft will pass and then 2018 picks jump in value. Also, I believe Nicholson will get some more playing time and show he can at least be trusted to play 10 MPG by seasons end. Combine that with the stupid contracts that are going to be handed out this offseason, and Nicholson becomes neutral value.

Conclusion: I dont know if id pull the trigger, but if EG did, I couldnt fault him... But only for 2018 and not 2017 1st

[Ruzious]

Lou would help us way more than Barton.

Getting back to the Lou Williams discussion, I've generally felt he's been overrated, but now he's underrated. At 30, he's having easily the best season of his career. He now is the best 3rd guard in the NBA, imo - unless I'm missing someone, and that's our biggest need assuming Mahinmi comes back and is effective. He's averaging 29.9 points per 40 minutes! - and doing it at a more efficient rate than he's ever had. Lou's signed for this year and next at 7 mil a year. If the Lakers are willing to take on Nicholson's salary (which has 3 more years at just a little less per year than Lou's), I'd give up our 2018 first rounder - unprotected - as long as Ted is willing to pay the lux tax next season - because I think that makes us a 50 plus win team next season as well as this season. Would you give up our 2017 pick instead? I might. It'd show the team and the fans that management is going all out to go for it now.

Ruz, I am very open to trading the 2018 pick. Oubre, Sato, McClellan, 2017 pick is enough depth/youth that losing a 2018 pick wouldnt hurt.

But I do think that same package (Nicholson + 1st) will be even more valuable this offseason. The 2017 draft will pass and then 2018 picks jump in value. Also, I believe Nicholson will get some more playing time and show he can at least be trusted to play 10 MPG by seasons end. Combine that with the stupid contracts that are going to be handed out this offseason, and Nicholson becomes neutral value.

Conclusion: I dont know if id pull the trigger, but if EG did, I couldnt fault him... But only for 2018 and not 2017 1st

I hear ya - and I'm waivering. After each victory, I lean a little more toward being willing to give up the 2017 pick - partly because it's looking to be a lower pick and partly because I'd love to get to the Eastern finals. Making the trade, I could see us picking around 25th. The pickings will likely be getting slim around there.

Btw, the last game Nicholson played, he looked like he was struggling to get up and down court - not that he was ever fast - but I think his wheels might be shot.

[gambitx777]

Well that plumlee trade is an interesting indicator of the market. Plumlees deal is pretty bad from how he has been preforming. Its an indicator that a Mahinmi trade might not be as impossible as everyone thinks, and might mean that Nicholson is more movable than first thought. It is 100 percent possible that a nicholson to denver, for Barton and nurkic might be possible if we attack a 2018 first... Also I's like to look into helping chicago get Okafur, in the interest of getting Mirotic or Portis.

[youngthegiant]

Kelly Oubre + Nicholson for Wilson Chandler???

[J-Ves]

Kelly Oubre + Nicholson for Wilson Chandler???

no thanks

We really like Oubre around here and our wing situation is looking pretty solid for the foreseeable future. What we really need is a backup PG, but its very unlikely the Wiz give up Oubre. Nicholson's contract is long and worthless but he isn't being paid enough per year to make dumping him a priority.

[Mojo Amok]

Yeah, the value of moving arguably our worst contract is totally offset by then also including what is likely to be our best value contract over the next two upcoming seasons.

A 23 year old Oubre will likely be outplaying a 31 year old Chandler and is certainly someone who I'd be a lot more comfortable extending at that time as well, so there's really not much advantage here beyond the very short term (especially as he's also a RFA). And even the short term gain isn't 100% certain when taking into account some of the on/off numbers for the Wizards with Hombre in.

We clear some 2019-2020 money with that swap, but that's not enough of an advantage in the big picture.

[deneem4]

You are on crack, brother

Hardaway Jr is monster...

Is he? Well, his TS% is slightly below average for a wing, his rebounding is significantly below average for a wing. His assists are below average....

You're right -- sounds like a monster to me.

But he's a scorer off the bench...which is what we need

[Ruzious]

Hardaway Jr is monster...

Is he? Well, his TS% is slightly below average for a wing, his rebounding is significantly below average for a wing. His assists are below average....

You're right -- sounds like a monster to me.

But he's a scorer off the bench...which is what we need

Of course, PIF's comments spurred Hardaway to a career game - including a phenominal 4th quarter that got Atl the win over Htn - exactly what we didn't want to happen. Way to go, PIF. Pff.

Now I suppose he's going to say he didn't realize he had that power.

I think the Hawks view him as a keeper, and don't see them being willing to make that trade - though personally, I think that performance was a fluke, and I see him as an ordinary player.