Markelle Fultz

[I_Never Lied]

Exactly my point and why I'm alone in my opinion. You'll see him doing this against scrub teams and want to believe he'll be able to do it in the NBA. Steve Alford and his son Brian had/have games like this all the time but neither could play in the NBA. Fultz is a chucker who attacks the basket and gets to the line. He won't be able to do that as successfully at the next level imho. Take that away he's a combo guard with very little else to offer.

Yeah, I take Leaf and many others over Futlz now obviously since I don't think he'll be all that special in the NBA. This is based on what I've seen up to this point. It's still early. Maybe a fire is lit under him and he raises his game defensively and gives me some examples of translatable elite athleticism. But I doubt it because he just isn't that guy

I think you're missing whats special about him. Yes he doesn't look hyper athletic but you don't need to be when you are executing your dribble moves with 100% precision. You only need to get your defender off balance. Why do you consider Fultz a chucker when he is shooting 40%?

By chucker I mean high usage like IT, Harden, Westbrook not %. And because I mostly care about my Celtics I don't think he's a good fit for us while we have IT. Are people really thinking that Fultz will someday score 28 ppg like IT? Too funny. Now if they take Fultz and move IT I'm fine with that and wouldn't be upset if the Celtics took him even at #1. Fultz is obviously doing extremely well in college as he should. I'm not missing what is special about him. I just don't think it's that translatable once he leaves college. I think Ball is an elite floor general and passer. I think Fox is as well but elite defensively and has huge offensive upside as he works on his shot. DSJ is the better PnR player and elite athlete of the bunch. Fultz is just behind them imo. He's also behind the best wings and big men imo too. Why is that received so poorly? Is it because groupthink has him as #1? Groupthink has been incredible wrong so many times you'd think people would eventually stop regurgitating opinions from DraftExpress and nbadraft.net.

Ball is an ELITE floor General and Passer? How many of the Top 25 scorers in the NBA are ELITE passers and can't score? I'm a make it real simple for you. He's way ahead of where James Harden was at 18 years old, so please stop.

[jrob23]

I think you're missing whats special about him. Yes he doesn't look hyper athletic but you don't need to be when you are executing your dribble moves with 100% precision. You only need to get your defender off balance. Why do you consider Fultz a chucker when he is shooting 40%?

By chucker I mean high usage like IT, Harden, Westbrook not %. And because I mostly care about my Celtics I don't think he's a good fit for us while we have IT. Are people really thinking that Fultz will someday score 28 ppg like IT? Too funny. Now if they take Fultz and move IT I'm fine with that and wouldn't be upset if the Celtics took him even at #1. Fultz is obviously doing extremely well in college as he should. I'm not missing what is special about him. I just don't think it's that translatable once he leaves college. I think Ball is an elite floor general and passer. I think Fox is as well but elite defensively and has huge offensive upside as he works on his shot. DSJ is the better PnR player and elite athlete of the bunch. Fultz is just behind them imo. He's also behind the best wings and big men imo too. Why is that received so poorly? Is it because groupthink has him as #1? Groupthink has been incredible wrong so many times you'd think people would eventually stop regurgitating opinions from DraftExpress and nbadraft.net.

Ball is an ELITE floor General and Passer? How many of the Top 25 scorers in the NBA are ELITE passers and can't score? I'm a make it real simple for you. He's way ahead of where James Harden was at 18 years old, so please stop.

no.

you make no sense. Are you trying to say Ball ISN'T an elite floor general and passer lmao? if so...please stop. What does top 25 scorers have to do with floor generals and passing? too funny

"How many of the Top 25 scorers in the NBA are ELITE passers and can't score?"

lmao what are you even asking? How can you be a top 25 scorer in the NBA and can't score? What in the heck is going on with this question?

[WalterBenjamin]

The point is Ball ain't no Draymond Green. The best player in the NBA not oriented on scoring. In the NBA Green gets his point the same way Ball gets his. Transition and 3's. Who would in his right mind pick Ball anywhere in the top 5-8 to get u a player who will have the same role on an NBA court as Green but non of the athletical tools.

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yeaaaaaah, his 3ball isnt a fluke and he is a great, not good, athlete....check the blocks and steals rate.

needs to fix that ft percentage and give effort on d, though.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Did he match-up with De'Anthony Melton last night? I ask because Fultz was just 7 for 17, and Melton went for 16pts/7rebs/6ast/6stl on 6 for 11 shooting.

[WalterBenjamin]

Melton is the better prospect. What is the point of such comparisons? DSJ wouldn't be drafted by that standards.

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Fultz had UW with a lead 3/4 of the game on a pretty good USC team and was lights out before running out of gas. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt. Not that 7/17 (4/8 3pt) is inefficient but have to do more than read box scores.

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''Fultz is currently the only player since at least the 2009-10 season (according to Sports-Reference.com) to put up at least 23 points per game on a 55 percent true-shooting percentage while also posting at least a 34 assist rate and under a 13 turnover rate.''

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/list/nba-draft-prospect-rankings-mock-draft-2017-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-dennis-smith/8bi34jbd2mhg11ajvk1fh1bfv/slide/1

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Fultz had UW with a lead 3/4 of the game on a pretty good USC team and was lights out before running out of gas. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt. Not that 7/17 (4/8 3pt) is inefficient but have to do more than read box scores.

the guy can get no rest lately. past 7 games he's averaging 40 mpg.

kinda OT: also just realized the guy that's heralded as the best perimeter defender in the pac10, kadeem allen, (who guarded Fultz in the Arizona game) is 6 years older than fultz.

[Marcus]

''Fultz is currently the only player since at least the 2009-10 season (according to Sports-Reference.com) to put up at least 23 points per game on a 55 percent true-shooting percentage while also posting at least a 34 assist rate and under a 13 turnover rate.''

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/list/nba-draft-prospect-rankings-mock-draft-2017-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-dennis-smith/8bi34jbd2mhg11ajvk1fh1bfv/slide/1

the campaign is strong sir. I applaud you for your diligence.

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''Fultz is currently the only player since at least the 2009-10 season (according to Sports-Reference.com) to put up at least 23 points per game on a 55 percent true-shooting percentage while also posting at least a 34 assist rate and under a 13 turnover rate.''

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/list/nba-draft-prospect-rankings-mock-draft-2017-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-dennis-smith/8bi34jbd2mhg11ajvk1fh1bfv/slide/1

the campaign is strong sir. I applaud you for your diligence.

I feel the way many people felt about DLO a few years back or some feel about DSJ or JJ. The measurable, advanced metrics, and age gap...everything points to the best guard prospect in some time.

[Marcus]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/list/nba-draft-prospect-rankings-mock-draft-2017-markelle-fultz-josh-jackson-dennis-smith/8bi34jbd2mhg11ajvk1fh1bfv/slide/1

the campaign is strong sir. I applaud you for your diligence.

I feel the way many people felt about DLO a few years back or some feel about DSJ or JJ. The measurable, advanced metrics, and age gap...everything points to the best guard prospect in some time.

I'm just glad there are multiple options to cape for this year. The board has more life when there are multiple players to side with. I'm waiting to see who's next in the rotation for "he's my number one now".

Fultz kicked off the year, then it jumped to Lonzo, DSJ had super short stint, and now everybody loves Josh. I think a couple more good games out of Isaac and he'll be next in some minds.

Either way I'm tuning in.

[jrob23]

yeaaaaaah, his 3ball isnt a fluke and he is a great, not good, athlete....check the blocks and steals rate.

needs to fix that ft percentage and give effort on d, though.

nah...decent athlete not great. 3 ball is so so. His bread and butter is putting it on the floor and driving to the basket. He's a good enough athlete with size which for a college player explains why he's able to be so successful. At the next level he'll still be above average skill/size/athleticism wise to get off but not like in college. Therefore he's overrated and you'd be stupid to take him over Ball, DSJ, Isaac, Jackson, Tatum, Bridges, Ferguson, Giles, and an argument could be made for Fox, Adebayo, Monk as well. Sorry fanboys. He's not going to be a superstar like you all believe.

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yeaaaaaah, his 3ball isnt a fluke and he is a great, not good, athlete....check the blocks and steals rate.

needs to fix that ft percentage and give effort on d, though.

nah...decent athlete not great. 3 ball is so so. His bread and butter is putting it on the floor and driving to the basket. He's a good enough athlete with size which for a college player explains why he's able to be so successful. At the next level he'll still be above average skill/size/athleticism wise to get off but not like in college. Therefore he's overrated and you'd be stupid to take him over Ball, DSJ, Isaac, Jackson, Tatum, Bridges, Ferguson, Giles, and an argument could be made for Fox, Adebayo, Monk as well. Sorry fanboys. He's not going to be a superstar like you all believe.

So what do you make of his steal and block rates?

[The-Power]

. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

Melton is an incredibly gifted playmaker and that translates into half court offense as well. Arugably more gifted than anybody not named Lonzo Ball among freshmen.

nah...decent athlete not great.

Fultz is definitely an elite athlete. Or great. Or impressive. Whatever adjective you prefer. But decent? Way off.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Fultz had UW with a lead 3/4 of the game on a pretty good USC team and was lights out before running out of gas. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt. Not that 7/17 (4/8 3pt) is inefficient but have to do more than read box scores.

First of all, 7 for 17 is inefficient, not sure why you cite 4/8 from 3 to try and make an invalid point. Scoring 20 points on 17 shots is not good in any universe. And secondly, there's a reason I asked who was defending Fultz. Maybe you should have read my question as a question, instead of assuming I just read box scores.

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. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

Melton is an incredibly gifted playmaker and that translates into half court offense as well. Arugably more gifted than anybody not named Lonzo Ball among freshmen

I saw a player who thrives in transition...I'll watch more because I didn't see preternatural vision in the half-court.

[The-Power]

. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

Melton is an incredibly gifted playmaker and that translates into half court offense as well. Arugably more gifted than anybody not named Lonzo Ball among freshmen

I saw a player who thrives in transition...I'll watch more because I didn't see preternatural vision in the half-court.

I've followed him closely and might even have enough sequences saved to make a mixtake of his playmaking. Maybe I'll get to make one later.

[Bar Fight]

Fultz had UW with a lead 3/4 of the game on a pretty good USC team and was lights out before running out of gas. Melton is a nice transition player who can defend but he is a non-shooter who is incredibly limited in the halfcourt. Not that 7/17 (4/8 3pt) is inefficient but have to do more than read box scores.

First of all, 7 for 17 is inefficient, not sure why you cite 4/8 from 3 to try and make an invalid point. Scoring 20 points on 17 shots is not good in any universe. And secondly, there's a reason I asked who was defending Fultz. Maybe you should have read my question as a question, instead of assuming I just read box scores.

Did you watch the game? He was efficient before his team folded like a cheap tent and he was forced to take some tough/contested shots at the end of the game to bring them back.