Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[stevemcqueen1]

New Orleans had their shot with Jason Smith and they blew it. No way I let those sluts steal back the one who got away.

[Dat2U]

Its burke and thronton so we're not really losing anyone we don't want to lose...
2ndly hawes is the perfect type of big for small ball...particularly ours...
He's a great passer when there are willing cutters...he's a rim protector when hes not playing with another paint hogging big and considering the open looks Smith gets he would make those...

He's not a pf...which is what his recent teams try to play him at...he's a legit center let wall give him some dimes for 10mins a game while sato dishes for the other 10 and we have a legit backup center

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

[mhd]

Its burke and thronton so we're not really losing anyone we don't want to lose...
2ndly hawes is the perfect type of big for small ball...particularly ours...
He's a great passer when there are willing cutters...he's a rim protector when hes not playing with another paint hogging big and considering the open looks Smith gets he would make those...

He's not a pf...which is what his recent teams try to play him at...he's a legit center let wall give him some dimes for 10mins a game while sato dishes for the other 10 and we have a legit backup center

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

Dat, I know you've liked Lou Williams in the past. Would you trade Nicholson+future 1st for Lou Williams?

[deneem4]

Its burke and thronton so we're not really losing anyone we don't want to lose...
2ndly hawes is the perfect type of big for small ball...particularly ours...
He's a great passer when there are willing cutters...he's a rim protector when hes not playing with another paint hogging big and considering the open looks Smith gets he would make those...

He's not a pf...which is what his recent teams try to play him at...he's a legit center let wall give him some dimes for 10mins a game while sato dishes for the other 10 and we have a legit backup center

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

Hawes is better than Smith offensively and defensively and he has a niche of being able to shoot the 3 ball while being 7'1 a good passer and ok on the boards

[Dat2U]

Its burke and thronton so we're not really losing anyone we don't want to lose...
2ndly hawes is the perfect type of big for small ball...particularly ours...
He's a great passer when there are willing cutters...he's a rim protector when hes not playing with another paint hogging big and considering the open looks Smith gets he would make those...

He's not a pf...which is what his recent teams try to play him at...he's a legit center let wall give him some dimes for 10mins a game while sato dishes for the other 10 and we have a legit backup center

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

Dat, I know you've liked Lou Williams in the past. Would you trade Nicholson+future 1st for Lou Williams?

I'm on the fence. I do like Williams, he would fit nicely. We really need another productive rookie contract type however with our current roster construction. We'd have Williams for a yr & a half, getting out of Nicholson's deal would be nice though. I might do it for a top 20 protected 2018 draft pick. I just see some sure bets in the '17 draft even in the late 1st round that makes me really want to hold onto that pick.

[Dat2U]

Its burke and thronton so we're not really losing anyone we don't want to lose...
2ndly hawes is the perfect type of big for small ball...particularly ours...
He's a great passer when there are willing cutters...he's a rim protector when hes not playing with another paint hogging big and considering the open looks Smith gets he would make those...

He's not a pf...which is what his recent teams try to play him at...he's a legit center let wall give him some dimes for 10mins a game while sato dishes for the other 10 and we have a legit backup center

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

Hawes is better than Smith offensively and defensively and he has a niche of being able to shoot the 3 ball while being 7'1 a good passer and ok on the boards

It doesn't matter. You didn't read my post! We can't trade an expiring contract for a longer salary commitment. Hawes has a player option that's there's a good chance he'll exercise.

[deneem4]

Burke & Thornton are expiring contracts. We cannot trade expirings and take on salary in return because we'll be over the luxury tax after re-signing Otto. So Hawes... who isn't much better than Smith is a no-go.

We may already be in the position of having to dump Smith this coming off-season or next season due to the luxury tax.

So either we use our expirings like Burke/Thornton to acquire another expiring, or we trade Nicholson or Smith's salary slot with an asset to acquire another non-expiring deal. It's pretty much one or the other.

Mahinmi isn't getting traded... at least until he proves he gets on a court, proves he's healthy & fairly productive.
None of the starters or Oubre is getting dealt.
Sato makes so little and has marginal trade value, it probably is of little benefit to throw him in a deal.
McClellan, House or Ochefu make the rookie minimum and have no value whatsoever. So there's little reason to throw them in a deal.

That leaves Burke, Thornton, Smith & Nicholson. I assume Nicholson is the preferred option because Smith is at least somewhat playable. Thornton is probably the first guy to get cut if we get a 2 for 1 deal.

Hawes is better than Smith offensively and defensively and he has a niche of being able to shoot the 3 ball while being 7'1 a good passer and ok on the boards

It doesn't matter. You didn't read my post! We can't trade an expiring contract for a longer salary commitment. Hawes has a player option that's there's a good chance he'll exercise.

Have u guys not realized we can worry about the offseason when we get to it...if we need to move some contracts to make sure porter gets his money that wouldn't be a problem...but for the time being getting another much needed big to backup gortat should be a priority for this current season along with a backup guard...
We can take care of the rest when it comes to it

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You are on crack, brother

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

If I could make one unrealistic fantasy trade, this would be it. Of all the players in the league, Davis is probably the most perfect fit on this roster.

Yessiree! Much better fit than Boogie Cuz 2

I think Karl Anthony Townes would fit almost as nicely.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

If I could make one unrealistic fantasy trade, this would be it. Of all the players in the league, Davis is probably the most perfect fit on this roster.

If they demand Jason Smith, the answer is simply no.

I see your ada

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about Jason Smith, Andrew Nicholson and Ian Mahinmi for ANTHONY DAVIS???

(I are on crack. )

(Seriously, I am overjoyed. My birthday was lovely)

If I could make one unrealistic fantasy trade, this would be it. Of all the players in the league, Davis is probably the most perfect fit on this roster.

If they demand Jason Smith, the answer is simply no.

I see your adamantly refusing to part with Jason Smith as understandable reluctance.

[JAR69]

Dat - I'm not trying to wade into the Hawes question (I would not trade for him), but aren't we most likely looking at the luxury tax even just keeping our current roster? According to Spotrac, http://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/cap/2017/, assuming a salary cap of $102 million and a luxury tax of $122 million, the Wizards will be only under the luxury tax line by $22.48 million next year with the salaries of Beal, Wall, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Nicholson, Smith, Sato, Oubre, House, McLellan, and Ochefu (plus the Webster stretch payment). If Otto gets the max of $25.5 million or so (25% of the $102 million cap), we are already over the line, and that doesn't include our 2017 draft pick (contract likely will be between $1.2 and $1.8 million). It also doesn't include anyone to fill Burke's role, unless some player(s) already under contract are going to take those minutes.

Of course, it matters how much over the luxury tax line we are, Otto may not get a full maximum contract, and there are any number of things that could happen before the tax is measured at the end of 2017-18 season. But it seems that our current contract situation will put us in the luxury tax next year.

[Ruzious]

Dat - I'm not trying to wade into the Hawes question (I would not trade for him), but aren't we most likely looking at the luxury tax even just keeping our current roster? According to Spotrac, http://www.spotrac.com/nba/washington-wizards/cap/2017/, assuming a salary cap of $102 million and a luxury tax of $122 million, the Wizards will be only under the luxury tax line by $22.48 million next year with the salaries of Beal, Wall, Mahinmi, Gortat, Morris, Nicholson, Smith, Sato, Oubre, House, McLellan, and Ochefu (plus the Webster stretch payment). If Otto gets the max of $25.5 million or so (25% of the $102 million cap), we are already over the line, and that doesn't include our 2017 draft pick (contract likely will be between $1.2 and $1.8 million). It also doesn't include anyone to fill Burke's role, unless some player(s) already under contract are going to take those minutes.

Of course, it matters how much over the luxury tax line we are, Otto may not get a full maximum contract, and there are any number of things that could happen before the tax is measured at the end of 2017-18 season. But it seems that our current contract situation will put us in the luxury tax next year.

I'm not Dat, but Yes - that's the problem. And unless they changed the rules, every dollar you're over the cap gets taxed, so if we pick up Hawes for 7 mil next season, Leonsis pays 14 mil for him - which probably would not make him happy.

[payitforward]

But he's a scorer off the bench...which is what we need

Of course, PIF's comments spurred Hardaway to a career game - including a phenominal 4th quarter that got Atl the win over Htn - exactly what we didn't want to happen. Way to go, PIF. Pff.

Now I suppose he's going to say he didn't realize he had that power.

I think the Hawks view him as a keeper, and don't see them being willing to make that trade - though personally, I think that performance was a fluke, and I see him as an ordinary player.

I actually stated wanting to trade for him before that game started
and to put his performances in perspective
He also had his 2nd best game against the spurs
And ironically whenever he plays more than 30min the hawks are 8-2

Hawks were asking for 2nds not too long ago for him...

-- Yes, he had a phenomenal game. Hey... do you remember the night Randy Foye scored 29 points in a single quarter!

Hardaway is, as Ruz phrases it, "an ordinary player." The fact that Atlanta wanted to trade him for a R2 pick, & didn't get it done(!), is evidence of that fact -- not, as deneem seems to think, a good reason to give a R1 pick for him. I'd be happy to have THJ, just not for a R1 pick.

The right way to get guys like him -- & Mike Muscala, & Mike Scott, & Kent Bazemore earlier in his career, & Bembry (who went 5-6 in that same game) -- is to get good at talent evaluation, to make good picks in the last 1/3 of R1 & in R2, & to never trade away your draft picks.

Some guys work out better than others: Mike Scott, drafted #43 in 2012, hasn't turned into much. Muscala drafted #44 in 2011, has. Kent Bazemore went undrafted in 2012.

This, obviously, bears on the discussion of Jordan Clarkson. & Sheldon McClellan too, for that matter.

[payitforward]

I will also flip burke Thornton and a useless 2nd for hawes...

A perfect example of what I mean. The league is chock full of terrific players -- including many bigs way better than Hawes! -- who were picked with those "useless 2d" round picks.

[AFM]

Someone called Marcin Gortat was picked 57th...

[deneem4]

I will also flip burke Thornton and a useless 2nd for hawes...

A perfect example of what I mean. The league is chock full of terrific players -- including many bigs way better than Hawes! -- who were picked with those "useless 2d" round picks.

I meant a heavily protected future 2nd

[gambitx777]

Raja Bell Went undrafted. Like look I don't disagree that seconds have value. I am advocating trading picks now and going all in because I see a chance at a title, everyone is beatable and the Cavs and not immortal anymore. I feel like a punchers chance aginst GS is worth going all in for cuz, who knows if it's going to be there again.

[NatP4]

Raja Bell Went undrafted. Like look I don't disagree that seconds have value. I am advocating trading picks not and going all in because I see a chance at a tittle, everyone is beatable and the Cavs and not immortal anymore. I feel like a punchers chance aginst GS is worth going all in for cuz, who knows if its going to be there again.

Don't worry gambit, when Ernie drafts players in the 2nd round the narrative changes to "Marcus Thornton or a 2nd round pick is nitpicking, Ernie should've given Scott Brooks better options" these people are not objective. You don't hear from them whenever a Satoransky or McClellan plays well. You don't hear anything about how trading 2nd rounders to grab Oubre was a complete steal. It's all twisted into the "Ernie sucks" narrative.

Keep in mind, these people also predicted this team to be picking in the lottery, and are either still trying to downplay the teams success or simply don't realize how good the current team is, you can't depend on them to know whether or not it's buy now time or not.

We're a piece away, that one piece is not a 25th overall rookie or a 2nd rounder, it's a bench scorer and Mahinmi comeback, and Satoransky emergence.

flipping Trey Burke and a 2nd rounder for Will Barton is a no brainer.

[deneem4]

Raja Bell Went undrafted. Like look I don't disagree that seconds have value. I am advocating trading picks not and going all in because I see a chance at a tittle, everyone is beatable and the Cavs and not immortal anymore. I feel like a punchers chance aginst GS is worth going all in for cuz, who knows if its going to be there again.

Don't worry gambit, when Ernie drafts players in the 2nd round the narrative changes to "Marcus Thornton or a 2nd round pick is nitpicking, Ernie should've given Scott Brooks better options" these people are not objective. You don't hear from them whenever a Satoransky or McClellan plays well. You don't hear anything about how trading 2nd rounders to grab Oubre was a complete steal. It's all twisted into the "Ernie sucks" narrative.

Keep in mind, these people also predicted this team to be picking in the lottery, and are either still trying to downplay the teams success or simply don't realize how good the current team is, you can't depend on them to know whether or not it's buy now time or not.

We're a piece away, that one piece is not a 25th overall rookie or a 2nd rounder, it's a bench scorer and Mahinmi comeback, and Satoransky emergence.

flipping Trey Burke and a 2nd rounder for Will Barton is a no brainer.

Exactly this is our best chance this year with the league especially the east being in disarray right now...

Next year will be a hard year...
Philly will be ready to compete
Boston will get a top 5 pick
Milwaukee will be healthy
Cleveland will be Cleveland
New York will have spending money

And we most likely will be stuck with this exact same team...
We have to make a move...

Alot of teams are selling this year because of they're disfunction...we're 3rd in the east and looking to keep trending upward, a month ago our pick had lotto value now it's looking like a late 1st...if things continue to go well that value will diminish even more and we won't have leverage with a 25th pick...

Knock on wood, we also don't want to be in a kings Rudy gay situation especially with

Thornton, nicholson,
Burke, smith
Mahinmi

Not saying these picks aren't valuable but we're a pretty young team as it is..and we have our 1-3 locked up as a core, as well as a backup forward in Oubre and morris cheap contract...

Trading a late 1st for some bench depth is worth it to make this playoff run...

[payitforward]

Raja Bell Went undrafted. Like look I don't disagree that seconds have value. I am advocating trading picks not and going all in because I see a chance at a tittle, everyone is beatable and the Cavs and not immortal anymore. I feel like a punchers chance aginst GS is worth going all in for cuz, who knows if its going to be there again.

Don't worry gambit, when Ernie drafts players in the 2nd round the narrative changes to "Marcus Thornton or a 2nd round pick is nitpicking, Ernie should've given Scott Brooks better options" these people are not objective. You don't hear from them whenever a Satoransky or McClellan plays well. You don't hear anything about how trading 2nd rounders to grab Oubre was a complete steal. It's all twisted into the "Ernie sucks" narrative.

Keep in mind, these people also predicted this team to be picking in the lottery, and are either still trying to downplay the teams success or simply don't realize how good the current team is, you can't depend on them to know whether or not it's buy now time or not.

We're a piece away, that one piece is not a 25th overall rookie or a 2nd rounder, it's a bench scorer and Mahinmi comeback, and Satoransky emergence.

flipping Trey Burke and a 2nd rounder for Will Barton is a no brainer.

Nat, do you actually read anything people write? In my case, for example, I've said at least a dozen times that I applauded Ernie trading a R2 pick to move up & nab Oubre. I've also been a big supporter of Sheldon McClellan -- as I've also written many times: "kudos to Ernie for finding and signing McClellan."

As to Satoransky, if you bothered, you'd see that the season-long adjustment period to the league is something I said was likely -- when Gambit & others were predicting he was going to win RoY & 6th man of the year.

TBH, it's rare for someone to post as continuously badly -- and insultingly -- as you do. I wonder how many people already have you on ignore.

I especially love your "one piece away... a bench scorer and Mahinmi comeback, and Satoransky emergence" -- I bet if you work on it, even you can learn to count to 3, Nat.

BTW, I've never before heard "Burke and a 2d rounder for Will Barton." I'm pretty sure no one has opposed that deal. Not that Denver would do it, of course. They wouldn't.

Gambit -- you are pretty typically enthusiastic. Positive. That's a good thing. & you'd be right that if there was "a chance at a title," it would justify "going all in." But I assume you can understand that a) not everyone sees "a chance at a title", and b) our current cap situation means that "going all in" has untenable consequences for next year and beyond.