The Boogie Watch

[Qwigglez]

KIngs have to swap with Philly if they finish top 10, and lose their pick to Chicago if they're 11-30. IIRC

Forgot about that, but it still sounds like they wanna finish bottom 10 for sure.

dunno what the ramification are if they don't convey to the Bulls this year. I think they're just focused on trying to make the playoffs, and then extending Cousins. Everything I've read indicates that the Kings focus. Sure they'd trade Cousins for a godfather offer, but that goes for many star player situations. This thread's "offer" for Cousins is a stepfather offer at best.

The poll was suppose to be similar to the Wolves trade when they traded Love for Wiggins.

[nevetsov]

My offer would be:
- Suns 2017 1st unprotected first
- One of the Miami picks (PHX choice)
- Alex Len
- Brandon Knight.

They basically get a top 5 pick in 2017, because even though our pick will drop to 8-14, theirs will improve from 8-14 to 4-6. So net gain is a pick in the 4-6 range.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Forgot about that, but it still sounds like they wanna finish bottom 10 for sure.

dunno what the ramification are if they don't convey to the Bulls this year. I think they're just focused on trying to make the playoffs, and then extending Cousins. Everything I've read indicates that the Kings focus. Sure they'd trade Cousins for a godfather offer, but that goes for many star player situations. This thread's "offer" for Cousins is a stepfather offer at best.

The poll was suppose to be similar to the Wolves trade when they traded Love for Wiggins.

The #1 pick in this draft (true or not) doesn't have anywhere close to hype/value that Wiggins did.

[bwgood77]

dunno what the ramification are if they don't convey to the Bulls this year. I think they're just focused on trying to make the playoffs, and then extending Cousins. Everything I've read indicates that the Kings focus. Sure they'd trade Cousins for a godfather offer, but that goes for many star player situations. This thread's "offer" for Cousins is a stepfather offer at best.

The poll was suppose to be similar to the Wolves trade when they traded Love for Wiggins.

The #1 pick in this draft (true or not) doesn't have anywhere close to hype/value that Wiggins did.

Yeah, Fultz isn't even consensus. Wiggins was talked about like LeBron was...like with 1-2 years left in high school being the clear cut #1 pick.

[Qwigglez]

Regardless it still seems to be a pretty divided board on trading for Cousins, but I'll take the poll down if you feel it's too lopsided in the Suns favor.

[Qwigglez]

Wiggins vs Fultz college stats
17.1 points, 5.9 boards, 1.6 assist, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks on 45 FG%
23 points, 6 assist, 6 boards, 1.3 steals, 1.5 block, on 48 FG%

[rsavaj]

Let me put this out there...

Booker and Chriss are pretty much untouchable... it would take a great player to trade Bledsoe and Bender and there's only a few of those..

Odd. I feel like Bender is the guy you have to hold on to if push comes to shove. Dude has a much more unique and valuable skill set than Chriss.

[rsavaj]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

makes sense for them to hold out until the deadline; our pick becomes more and more valuable the more we lose, and trading Boogie to us now only increases the chances of making the pick we send them worse

[TeamTragic]

The poll was suppose to be similar to the Wolves trade when they traded Love for Wiggins.

The #1 pick in this draft (true or not) doesn't have anywhere close to hype/value that Wiggins did.

Yeah, Fultz isn't even consensus. Wiggins was talked about like LeBron was...like with 1-2 years left in high school being the clear cut #1 pick.

I'm not sure Wiggins has lived up to the hype. Wolves are not a good team and the Cavaliers won the championship. Therefore Lebron won that trade for the foreseeable future.

[LukasBMW]

The Suns have one (1) "allstar" and one (1) one "very good player."

The Kings have one (1) "allstar" and ZERO good players.

On paper, if we can get Boogie without giving up our "allstar" (Booker) and our "very good player" (Bledsoe) ...AND we can do it without depleting our collection of youth and picks...then it makes sense.

It almost seemed like Boogie was auditioning for a trade last night. He was much nicer to our players then usual. The announcers said that he apologized to Tucker for accidentally hitting him (which Eddie and Steve said was "very rare" LOL) and I saw him slap a few of our guys on the ass after battling them on tough possessions (almost like someone would do with his teammates in practice).

[LukasBMW]

Stuff like this still worries me though:

Watch on YouTube

This is a a KeefMo/CusMo type move.

1. How can you get mad at the reporter for reporting the facts? Read the article here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/andy-furillo/article120107843.html

The reporter really only did mention his brother getting arrested. Nothing more. No name calling in the article. No making up facts. The reporter mentioned Cousins previous nightclub incident and mentioned his brother was involved. That's it!

2. I find it hilarious and sad that Cousins calls the reporter (who appears to be 5'7"-5'9") a "coward" when Cousins is being "held back" by a teammate and is 6"10". Threatening an old man who is half your size while a teammate "holds you back" is the definition on a coward. That's a "fake thug" Morris twins move.

[BobbieL]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

Seems as if the Suns trade Tucker , get a player or pick to add to the trade. Than, trade Knight - maybe for an expiring Rondo (one can dream) and a Bulls draft pick - that clears up the cap space needed to pay a Boogie Cousins. Len will be making like 12m next year; Knight makes like 14 - so that's 26m, give 25 to Boogie and pay Tyler Ulis and you have a better combo: Boogie/Ulis >> Len & Knight

Keep Tyson Chandler around just to be a good back up and mentor. Dudley is around.

Can sign plenty of role type players to fill out your roster. I think its a much better team

[thamadkant]

Stuff like this still worries me though:

Watch on YouTube

This is a a KeefMo/CusMo type move.

1. How can you get mad at the reporter for reporting the facts? Read the article here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/andy-furillo/article120107843.html

The reporter really only did mention his brother getting arrested. Nothing more. No name calling in the article. No making up facts. The reporter mentioned Cousins previous nightclub incident and mentioned his brother was involved. That's it!

2. I find it hilarious and sad that Cousins calls the reporter (who appears to be 5'7"-5'9") a "coward" when Cousins is being "held back" by a teammate and is 6"10". Threatening an old man who is half your size while a teammate "holds you back" is the definition on a coward. That's a "fake thug" Morris twins move.

Cousins have history with that reporter.


That reporter interrupts and trolls him about family members.

I'd be hurling expletives too if someone goes beyond basketball and drags my family members into interviews or articles.

[thamadkant]

I dont know why Kings would want Len.

I can see them liking Warren and Bender.

They passed on Chriss... But with the highlights and skills shown... He may appeal to them.


They'd want Booker... But suns wont trade him. Only players I see Booker going for would be a KAT or Porzingis type deal... Basically these players are foundations or cornerstones going forward.
Maybe Davis.... I can see Booker being offered for Davis... But only if Suns are going 100% now... As in putting together 3 stars in their prime.

[LukasBMW]

I dont know why Kings would want Len.

I can see them liking Warren and Bender.

They passed on Chriss... But with the highlights and skills shown... He may appeal to them.


They'd want Booker... But suns wont trade him. Only players I see Booker going for would be a KAT or Porzingis type deal... Basically these players are foundations or cornerstones going forward.
Maybe Davis.... I can see Booker being offered for Davis... But only if Suns are going 100% now... As in putting together 3 stars in their prime.

-Len has to be a throw in. Plus he is a free agent and is going to get paid. I can't see them wanting him.

-Trading Warren would be a McDonough move. He's shown enough flashes to intrigue other teams and make him a valuable asset, but (as usual) Ryan is probably thinking 2 moves ahead and realizes that TJ could get a max offer sheet that we are forced to match. As much as I like TJ, do you really want to pay max money to a guy who has been inconsistent. Will his motor still be there are he signs a large contract? Personally, I think TJ will come around, but he is still an unknown that will command big money and that's a reason why Ryan is open to moving him.

-Apparently the Kings have had interest in Knight since the draft. If for some reason they still want him and value him...great. Sell! Sell! Sell!

-Bender and the picks are likely their primary target. Divac loves euro players and everyone loves draft picks.

-The TJ for Shabazz swap is kind of confusing. Why would the Kings want both Shabazz AND Warren? Unless...we are moving PJ for Shabazz to keep for ourselves (Warren's replacement) OR we are actually trying to hold on to TJ and replace him with Bazz.


If we can pull off a Shabazz/PJ, Bender, Len, Knight + picks trade for Boogie + the contract of Rudy Gay, I'm in 110%. Hell, PJ could possibly resign back with us in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised honestly. Minnesota rents him to help make a playoff push and then he comes back to us to help us reload for our run next year:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z432af3


Bledsoe/
Booker/Barbosa
TJ/PJ
Cousins/Chriss
Tyson/

Ulis and Sauce on the deep bench

In addition to resigning PJ, we'd need to shop for a vet center, vet PG, and maybe even a vet forward.

[thamadkant]

I dont know why Kings would want Len.

I can see them liking Warren and Bender.

They passed on Chriss... But with the highlights and skills shown... He may appeal to them.


They'd want Booker... But suns wont trade him. Only players I see Booker going for would be a KAT or Porzingis type deal... Basically these players are foundations or cornerstones going forward.
Maybe Davis.... I can see Booker being offered for Davis... But only if Suns are going 100% now... As in putting together 3 stars in their prime.

-Len has to be a throw in. Plus he is a free agent and is going to get paid. I can't see them wanting him.

-Trading Warren would be a McDonough move. He's shown enough flashes to intrigue other teams and make him a valuable asset, but (as usual) Ryan is probably thinking 2 moves ahead and realizes that TJ could get a max offer sheet that we are forced to match. As much as I like TJ, do you really want to pay max money to a guy who has been inconsistent. Will his motor still be there are he signs a large contract? Personally, I think TJ will come around, but he is still an unknown that will command big money and that's a reason why Ryan is open to moving him.

-Apparently the Kings have had interest in Knight since the draft. If for some reason they still want him and value him...great. Sell! Sell! Sell!

-Bender and the picks are likely their primary target. Divac loves euro players and everyone loves draft picks.

-The TJ for Shabazz swap is kind of confusing. Why would the Kings want both Shabazz AND Warren? Unless...we are moving PJ for Shabazz to keep for ourselves (Warren's replacement) OR we are actually trying to hold on to TJ and replace him with Bazz.


If we can pull off a Shabazz/PJ, Bender, Len, Knight + picks trade for Boogie + the contract of Rudy Gay, I'm in 110%. Hell, PJ could possibly resign back with us in the summer. I wouldn't be surprised honestly. Minnesota rents him to help make a playoff push and then he comes back to us to help us reload for our run next year:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z432af3


Bledsoe/
Booker/Barbosa
TJ/PJ
Cousins/Chriss
Tyson/

Ulis and Sauce on the deep bench

In addition to resigning PJ, we'd need to shop for a vet center, vet PG, and maybe even a vet forward.

Im aware of Warren and Len getting 15 million or more a year which would make the Suns capped out and with a TERRIBLE constructed team. Hence a couple of players will need to be traded by McD to ensure Suns have flexibility whilst rebuilding.

[jcsunsfan]

I am convinced that Len is not getting $15 mill per. 10-12 tops.

[OGBAH]

Chandler
Boogie
Dudley
Booker
Bled

Bender
Chris's
Tucker
Barbs
Ulis

Len,warren,Ball(if we draft him top 3) Both Miami picks for Cousins.
Point forward Cousins to shooters Dudley and Booker, slashers Bled and Chandler, lock down d with Dudley and Tucker, youth still with our rooks bench with Barbs would be the key as far as we go in the playoffs.
I'm sure most wiil hate this but I'm tired of the losing and I think on paper this could be badass potentially

[Frank Lee]

If and that's a big IF.. their intentions to get Boogie would be to pair up Booker, Bledsoe and Chriss with Cousins.. the whole Mohammad trade with the wolves rumor is to get more pieces for a trade IF the Kings accept their offer... in other words,

The trade would consist of;

Warren, Len, Mohammed their first this upcoming year for Cousins... i


* I'm just speculating on the trade pieces **

So what's holding up the trade? I know we are 2nd worse in the league, but if the Kings traded Cousins I can't see them winning more than 2 games the rest of the season. So I think they'd easily get a top 3 pick and then getting our pick would likely be top 6-7 too.

makes sense for them to hold out until the deadline; our pick becomes more and more valuable the more we lose, and trading Boogie to us now only increases the chances of making the pick we send them worse

So the Kings keep Cousins and run the risk of no pick (they end up at 11 and lose it to chic) or could have two top tens plus a future first AND?

Considering we are the buyers here, and borderline desperate, regardless of what McD says, I think Sac would demand our pick, a future first, and one of Bender or Chriss. Seems like a lot, but keep in mind, having both Bled and Boogie all but locks up Wall when he is looking to relocate. IMO, that's swings the haul in our favor.

This is why we keep Tucker and Chandler.... and Duds. In fact, I'd sign Tuck then as he likely would give a hometown discount to be a part of this.

Bled
Booker
Tucker/Dudley
Cousins/Chris or Bender
Chandler

That's a nice 7 man core. Add a sauvy back up Pg and we have a great mix of interchangeable parts, youth, vets....and of course,
Dr. Strangelove to keep them all together.

[BobbieL]

I am convinced that Len is not getting $15 mill per. 10-12 tops.

Agreed - but you add that to Knight, that is 26m or close to it and not getting the value

One guy like Boogie - if can keep him in line - combined with a Tyler Ulis and role player or two - much better team than Len, Knight and those two role players.

Get it done! I have seen enough of this iteration