Game 51: Pistons (23-27) @ Pacers (27-22) - 7 PM EST

[DETermination]

We can only beat really bad teams and even those wins are close games with us usually giving up about 110 points every game

[Blkbrd671]

We can only beat really bad teams and even those wins are close games with us usually giving up about 110 points every game

defensively we still are sh*. swindle brklyn into trading us rhj for rJ

[DTP]

like your undestanding of basketball, game plans, your the only poster here ignoring statistical evidence and plain eye test that RJ hurts us.

Your understanding that defense in a basketball game is a team game, not one player. You agreed that RJ "contesting" a PG shot would have very little effect on the shot in the first place but continue to go on because he didn't fight over a screen enough to your liking. Healthy Reggie or not, Ish is better at fighting over screens...that's OBVIOUS. You think a 6'1 Ish on a 6'8 Paul George is going to have much of an effect? Nah that wouldn't either. So any LOGICAL defensive person would design a scheme and communicate enough to where you don't have to switch. I'm not on the team or in the huddles so I have no clue if its a coaching mistake or laziness on Mook's part but bottom line, you put Reggie or Ish in that situation and they're done. So once again back to my ACTUAL criticism here...

can't help you bud, and its obvious you can't comprehend a open roll man and obviously not recognizing that we have been switching all game. so while no one is in the huddle, its called common sense. you want to make this some kind of simple defensive scheme, which means you don't understand the basics of the PnR. ultimately RJ been abused all game defensively and indy's recognized that. He doesn't even make a effort over screens and all game our team has had to rotate over help side cuz RJ's 3-4 steps behind his man.

offensively you want to blame everyone else except the player who "wants his own team" and is "paid to be the go to player" but clearly is not.

I cannot even believe I'm continuing to engage in this but whatever, I'm bored.... Let me try to make it simple for you- the way that you guard a Aaron Brooks or Jeff Teague isn't the same way that you guard one of the best offensive games in the damn league. Yes the general principle on this team is to switch everything, which is very effective if you have the correct personnel to do it. When guarding a 6'8 All-Star offensive guy called Paul George, you don't use the same strategies against him as you do everyone else. This is common sense....freshman level stuff man.

You're talking about a PnR....the play wasn't even in a pick and roll situation. The play developed off a pin down for George to give him that open look knowing that if Morris switched off him, George would have a very favorable look. And what did we do? We switched Morris off him, doing exactly what the Pacers ran the play for. Please learn the simple technology before trying to talk down to me about comprehension of basic basketball plays my man.

[Blkbrd671]

Your understanding that defense in a basketball game is a team game, not one player. You agreed that RJ "contesting" a PG shot would have very little effect on the shot in the first place but continue to go on because he didn't fight over a screen enough to your liking. Healthy Reggie or not, Ish is better at fighting over screens...that's OBVIOUS. You think a 6'1 Ish on a 6'8 Paul George is going to have much of an effect? Nah that wouldn't either. So any LOGICAL defensive person would design a scheme and communicate enough to where you don't have to switch. I'm not on the team or in the huddles so I have no clue if its a coaching mistake or laziness on Mook's part but bottom line, you put Reggie or Ish in that situation and they're done. So once again back to my ACTUAL criticism here...

can't help you bud, and its obvious you can't comprehend a open roll man and obviously not recognizing that we have been switching all game. so while no one is in the huddle, its called common sense. you want to make this some kind of simple defensive scheme, which means you don't understand the basics of the PnR. ultimately RJ been abused all game defensively and indy's recognized that. He doesn't even make a effort over screens and all game our team has had to rotate over help side cuz RJ's 3-4 steps behind his man.

offensively you want to blame everyone else except the player who "wants his own team" and is "paid to be the go to player" but clearly is not.

I cannot even believe I'm continuing to engage in this but whatever, I'm bored.... Let me try to make it simple for you- the way that you guard a Aaron Brooks or Jeff Teague isn't the same way that you guard one of the best offensive games in the damn league. Yes the general principle on this team is to switch everything, which is very effective if you have the correct personnel to do it. When guarding a 6'8 All-Star offensive guy called Paul George, you don't use the same strategies against him as you do everyone else. This is common sense....freshman level stuff man.

You're talking about a PnR....the play wasn't even in a pick and roll situation. The play developed off a pin down for George to give him that open look knowing that if Morris switched off him, George would have a very favorable look. And what did we do? We switched Morris off him, doing exactly what the Pacers ran the play for. Please learn the simple technology before trying to talk down to me about comprehension of basic basketball plays my man.

okay for sh* i'll agree with you that Mook should not have switched and RJ's man had a clean roll to the rim leading to a easy bucket anyways, which again is RJ's fault with his poor technique..............or are we going to blame mook ??

[DTP]

can't help you bud, and its obvious you can't comprehend a open roll man and obviously not recognizing that we have been switching all game. so while no one is in the huddle, its called common sense. you want to make this some kind of simple defensive scheme, which means you don't understand the basics of the PnR. ultimately RJ been abused all game defensively and indy's recognized that. He doesn't even make a effort over screens and all game our team has had to rotate over help side cuz RJ's 3-4 steps behind his man.

offensively you want to blame everyone else except the player who "wants his own team" and is "paid to be the go to player" but clearly is not.

I cannot even believe I'm continuing to engage in this but whatever, I'm bored.... Let me try to make it simple for you- the way that you guard a Aaron Brooks or Jeff Teague isn't the same way that you guard one of the best offensive games in the damn league. Yes the general principle on this team is to switch everything, which is very effective if you have the correct personnel to do it. When guarding a 6'8 All-Star offensive guy called Paul George, you don't use the same strategies against him as you do everyone else. This is common sense....freshman level stuff man.

You're talking about a PnR....the play wasn't even in a pick and roll situation. The play developed off a pin down for George to give him that open look knowing that if Morris switched off him, George would have a very favorable look. And what did we do? We switched Morris off him, doing exactly what the Pacers ran the play for. Please learn the simple technology before trying to talk down to me about comprehension of basic basketball plays my man.

okay for sh* i'll agree with you that Mook should not have switched and RJ's man had a clean roll to the rim leading to a easy bucket anyways, which again is RJ's fault with his poor technique..............or are we going to blame mook ??

Well, technically speaking in that case with proper help defense you have your center on the weakside to protect the paint. But then again....Dre doesn't necessarily do that these days. But say that is the case then you have a small point guard one on one with your huge "supposedly defensive center" which yes, I'll take that matchup over Paul George vs any point guard any day of the week. The point guard lures Dre and drops it off to him his man...although we're talking about more help side defense there because someone has to help the helper.....at least if they did score, we're making them work for options B or C or D instead of options A.

The entire goal of a defensive game plan is to take away the first couple of options and force guys to use their 4th and 5th options....in that possession and in your mind, its okay just giving up the first option which is just stupid.

[Blkbrd671]

I cannot even believe I'm continuing to engage in this but whatever, I'm bored.... Let me try to make it simple for you- the way that you guard a Aaron Brooks or Jeff Teague isn't the same way that you guard one of the best offensive games in the damn league. Yes the general principle on this team is to switch everything, which is very effective if you have the correct personnel to do it. When guarding a 6'8 All-Star offensive guy called Paul George, you don't use the same strategies against him as you do everyone else. This is common sense....freshman level stuff man.

You're talking about a PnR....the play wasn't even in a pick and roll situation. The play developed off a pin down for George to give him that open look knowing that if Morris switched off him, George would have a very favorable look. And what did we do? We switched Morris off him, doing exactly what the Pacers ran the play for. Please learn the simple technology before trying to talk down to me about comprehension of basic basketball plays my man.

okay for sh* i'll agree with you that Mook should not have switched and RJ's man had a clean roll to the rim leading to a easy bucket anyways, which again is RJ's fault with his poor technique..............or are we going to blame mook ??

Well, technically speaking in that case with proper help defense you have your center on the weakside to protect the paint. But then again....Dre doesn't necessarily do that these days. But say that is the case then you have a small point guard one on one with your huge "supposedly defensive center" which yes, I'll take that matchup over Paul George vs any point guard any day of the week. The point guard lures Dre and drops it off to him his man...although we're talking about more help side defense there because someone has to help the helper.....at least if they did score, we're making them work for options B or C or D instead of options A.

The entire goal of a defensive game plan is to take away the first couple of options and force guys to use their 4th and 5th options....in that possession and in your mind, its okay just giving up the first option which is just stupid.

i give the board proof , DTP just wanting to excuse RJ's every move. Its not RJ's fault he's consistently being exposed but rather the help sides fault for not being there when he is exposed. and its not RJ's fault he lacks effort to fight over screens and contest but rather mooks fault that he switched to cover for RJ being exposed on a cut.

literally hilarious.

As i said, all statistical evidence and eye test indicates our team is sh* with RJ on the floor on both sides of the ball. So keep ignoring reality, its not going to change FACTS

[TurboTitan]

12 seed staring us down and I'm ok with it

[Han Solo]

Too good to tank, too bad to accomplish anything. NBA hell. SVG era has been worse than expected.

[Blkbrd671]

Too good to tank, too bad to accomplish anything. NBA hell. SVG era has been worse than expected.

to be fair we are in year 3 of a 5 year plan to become contender. we are a lot better team than when he took over or at least we can fix our problems relatively easy and we have assets that we can probably move for FV if not better.

I am slowly coming around to CGC's premise that SVG the coach may not be what we need. Its seems his signings and evaluation of players is hindering his ability to see what is going on , on teh court. Tonight for instance DRe and RJ should have been pulled at least 2 minutes earlier. Really don't understand why SJ was pulled so early with the way he was playing and not running more offensive sets for KCP.

[DTP]

okay for sh* i'll agree with you that Mook should not have switched and RJ's man had a clean roll to the rim leading to a easy bucket anyways, which again is RJ's fault with his poor technique..............or are we going to blame mook ??

Well, technically speaking in that case with proper help defense you have your center on the weakside to protect the paint. But then again....Dre doesn't necessarily do that these days. But say that is the case then you have a small point guard one on one with your huge "supposedly defensive center" which yes, I'll take that matchup over Paul George vs any point guard any day of the week. The point guard lures Dre and drops it off to him his man...although we're talking about more help side defense there because someone has to help the helper.....at least if they did score, we're making them work for options B or C or D instead of options A.

The entire goal of a defensive game plan is to take away the first couple of options and force guys to use their 4th and 5th options....in that possession and in your mind, its okay just giving up the first option which is just stupid.

i give the board proof , DTP just wanting to excuse RJ's every move. Its not RJ's fault he's consistently being exposed but rather the help sides fault for not being there when he is exposed. and its not RJ's fault he lacks effort to fight over screens and contest but rather mooks fault that he switched to cover for RJ being exposed on a cut.

literally hilarious.

As i said, all statistical evidence and eye test indicates our team is sh* with RJ on the floor on both sides of the ball. So keep ignoring reality, its not going to change FACTS

That's not what I said at all but then again I'm talking to someone who thinks PnRs are off the ball screens and should all be defended the same way.... lol. Goodnight.

[El Chivo]

Did we need that RJ groupie on the board? We suck and we also have to endure this...

[Moses ShamMoses]

It sure feels like this team is going nowhere fast. Win a couple games against bad teams and get blown out by middle of the road playoff teams.

[El Chivo]

Another 8th spot is clueless.

[whitehops]

well thanks to the jazz having a big comeback vs. the hornets last night because we are still 8th seed despite losing last night.