Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW

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Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#101 » by Patches Perry » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:12 am

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Patches Perry wrote:He was rewarded with points, so he'd do it again in a heartbeat, and so would most players. Flopping is a skill, and Harden is great at it. In order for flopping to not be a (beneficial) skill, officials need to stop falling for it.

This is 100% on the officials. Players try to win by any means necessary. Their objective is simple, try to put as many points on the board as possible and prevent the other team from doing the same. By any means necessary. It is the officials job to make sure both teams are pursuing that objective legally within the rules.

There were no free throws awarded on this play. It was SLOB


Touche. Still, as long as flops yield advantages, they aren't going anywhere.
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Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#102 » by Rockazoids » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:30 am

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bondom34 wrote:It was a flop. But if we're being honest every single NBA player flops

If it weren't James Harden the play wouldn't even get a mention in the daily game thread.

But this isn't the daily game thread.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#103 » by Tim Lehrbach » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:35 am

Patches Perry wrote:He was rewarded with points, so he'd do it again in a heartbeat, and so would most players. Flopping is a skill, and Harden is great at it. In order for flopping to not be a (beneficial) skill, officials need to stop falling for it.

This is 100% on the officials. Players try to win by any means necessary. Their objective is simple, try to put as many points on the board as possible and prevent the other team from doing the same. By any means necessary.


You can only go so far with the "by any means necessary" perspective before you risk corrupting the nature of the game. The parameters under which the game is to be contested are what make the game what it is and not some other game. The object of Monopoly is to bankrupt your opponents, but not by getting them to look the other way while you steal from the bank. The object of road cycling is to complete the predetermined course in the shortest time, but not by sneaking a little motor onto your wheel. The object of the marathon is to cross the finish line first, but not by going undetected while taking a shortcut. The object of basketball is to outscore the opposing team, but not by deceiving the referees into believing a violation has occurred when one has not, nor by willfully violating the rules in the hopes of gaining an advantage that will go unpunished or under-punished (i.e., it's "worth it" despite the potential penalty). Do you want to win a basketball game, or do you want to be awarded with a win having really succeeded at employing tactics that are proscribed by the rules? If that distinction means nothing to you, then what's the point of the game at all?

It is the officials job to make sure both teams are pursuing that objective legally within the rules.


Yes, but it is the responsibility of all participants and the entire culture around the sport to promote honest play. It does not fall on James Harden or any other player alone to eradicate these behaviors from basketball, but neither are they to be excused simply because they can get away with it. Attribution of guilt gets complicated when the entire culture of and around the sport supports breaking the rules, as happened most notoriously with doping in cycling, where participants were left feeling they simply couldn't remain competitive without doping. Some may suggest that flopping or blatantly inducing foul calls in basketball has reached a similar level of acceptance: refs looking the other way, players widely adopting these strategies, coaches encouraging it, fans defending it. This may be so, in which case it's unfair to single out Harden as I have in this thread. But I don't think we're there yet. I believe you can compete just fine in the NBA without this crap, so I do expect players not to lean on such methods.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#104 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:50 am

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bondom34 wrote:It was a flop. But if we're being honest every single NBA player flops

If it weren't James Harden the play wouldn't even get a mention in the daily game thread.

But this isn't the daily game thread.

Wow. Really!?

I was saying no one would care enough to even mention it in another thread, and especially not enough to start a new thread over it.
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Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#105 » by picc » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:54 am

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bondom34 wrote:It was a flop. But if we're being honest every single NBA player flops

If it weren't James Harden the play wouldn't even get a mention in the daily game thread.


That's like saying if it weren't Luis Suarez, a soccer player attempting to cannibalize his opponent wouldn't even make the news. :lol:

If it weren't James Harden, the player would have moved away in an attempt to catch the ball and actually score by his own devices.

I know, unheard of.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#106 » by Wargreymon » Sun Feb 5, 2017 2:54 am

Anyone know what the L2M report said about that play?
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Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#107 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:03 am

Wargreymon wrote:Anyone know what the L2M report said about that play?

Happened with 2:09 left to play. So nothing
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#108 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:03 am

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bondom34 wrote:It was a flop. But if we're being honest every single NBA player flops

If it weren't James Harden the play wouldn't even get a mention in the daily game thread.


That's like saying if it weren't Luis Suarez, a soccer player attempting to cannibalize his opponent wouldn't even make the news.

If it weren't James Harden, the player would have moved away in an attempt to catch the ball and actually score by his own devices.

I know, unheard of.

Bro you really just equated laying on a player to get a call to taking a chunk out of another human good lord
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#109 » by picc » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:11 am

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K_chile22 wrote:If it weren't James Harden the play wouldn't even get a mention in the daily game thread.


That's like saying if it weren't Luis Suarez, a soccer player attempting to cannibalize his opponent wouldn't even make the news.

If it weren't James Harden, the player would have moved away in an attempt to catch the ball and actually score by his own devices.

I know, unheard of.

Bro you really just equated laying on a player to get a call to taking a chunk out of another human good lord


Hell yeah, since by definition analogies are meant to equate situations 100%.

Its right there in the dictionary. 8-)
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level 

Post#110 » by TheOUTLAW » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:18 am

evilpimp972 wrote:I thought Harden was flopping a lot less this season
This one is disgusting, but the refs are even worse lol


Are you kidding? He's probably the floppingest person in the league.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level 

Post#111 » by pineappleheadindc » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:21 am

The Explorer wrote:The rockets commentators are almost as bad as the flop :o



Outstanding post (above).

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Post#112 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:23 am

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K_chile22 wrote:
picc wrote:
That's like saying if it weren't Luis Suarez, a soccer player attempting to cannibalize his opponent wouldn't even make the news.

If it weren't James Harden, the player would have moved away in an attempt to catch the ball and actually score by his own devices.

I know, unheard of.

Bro you really just equated laying on a player to get a call to taking a chunk out of another human good lord


Hell yeah, since by definition analogies are meant to equate situations 100%.

Its right there in the dictionary. 8-)


An analogy is a comparison. And since you are saying "that's like saying" and comparing the two situations you're saying they should be treated the same, or it would be the same, and therefore the same

In other words, you're saying maliciously biting someone is ANALOG to flopping, which is silly.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#113 » by cdubbz » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:23 am

Well he secured the MVP of flopping at least. Well done.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#114 » by Shock Defeat » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:35 am

Is everyone here just dumb or is there a different definition of flopping going around? Flopping is embellishing contact or feigning contact when there is none. Neither definition matches what I saw in the video. There was legit contact, no flop.
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Re: RE: Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#115 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:46 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:Is everyone here just dumb or is there a different definition of flopping going around? Flopping is embellishing contact or feigning contact when there is none. Neither definition matches what I saw in the video. There was legit contact, no flop.

There was a little bit of contact but there was also quite an embellishment. It isn't the biggest sin in the history of sports like half the board seems to think, but it was a flop
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#116 » by Rockazoids » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:48 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:Is everyone here just dumb or is there a different definition of flopping going around? Flopping is embellishing contact or feigning contact when there is none. Neither definition matches what I saw in the video. There was legit contact, no flop.

Come on man that should be on Steve Wilkos Show for dry humping.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#117 » by BallerTalk » Sun Feb 5, 2017 4:05 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:Is everyone here just dumb or is there a different definition of flopping going around? Flopping is embellishing contact or feigning contact when there is none. Neither definition matches what I saw in the video. There was legit contact, no flop.


Simple as that.

And for those who want to extend the definition to include any exaggeration of a lesser event then this whole entire thread is one big flop. :lol:
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#118 » by Hobo4President » Sun Feb 5, 2017 4:20 am

He's a great player he doesn't have to play like this, pathetic.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#119 » by becausephilchow » Sun Feb 5, 2017 4:33 am

LOL. Those Rockets commentators are **** awful, holy ****.
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Re: Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW 

Post#120 » by K_chile22 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 4:41 am

becausephilchow wrote:LOL. Those Rockets commentators are **** awful, holy ****.

Yeah, their broadcast is much better on the road. Worrell and Clyde only do home games and they are very... opinionated

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