Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Dat2U]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

There's interest, but If Denver isn't willing to take back Nicholson then there's no point in continuing trade talks. Nicholson + 1st is what the Wizards are offering and if Nicholson's contract is too much of a road block, which is completely understandable btw, than the Wiz stay pat.

This. Despite NatP4's post, where not really in the position to trade an expiring contract for a long term cap commitment when were potentially facing a scenario where we'll need to exceed the luxury tax to bring back Otto Porter.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

[Dat2U]

BulletsForever recently had a roundtable conversation on what to do about Nicholson and former RealGM poster Nivek/TSW/Kevin Broom had a somewhat surprising take on the situation:

Kevin Broom: I’m a bit surprised how clingy everyone’s being with the first round pick. This team has spent the past several years burning assets to make up for Ernie Grunfeld’s mistakes, so they could “compete” to make the playoffs. This year they might have a chance to burn assets to make up for Grunfeld mistakes to compete in the playoffs.

I understand the points about player development and obtaining young players for the future. Buy a second round pick or two, or maybe even a late first. But no one in the East is dominant and this could be an opportunity for a team like the Wizards to do something special – if they can shore up their biggest weaknesses (crappy bench and no depth).

They have frontcourt help coming if Mahinmi can get healthy. Dangle Nicholson and that first and see what backcourt help is available.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/2/4/14501786/andrew-nicholson-washington-wizards-team-analysis

Sounds like Kev would be okay with Lou Will.

It's tempting. Especially if it's an '18 pick instead of '17.

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Williams
Porter / Oubre
Morris / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi

We'd have the 10 guys above for the next two playoff runs. A Lou Will, Oubre, Mahinmi bench doesn't sound too bad.

[NatP4]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

There's interest, but If Denver isn't willing to take back Nicholson then there's no point in continuing trade talks. Nicholson + 1st is what the Wizards are offering and if Nicholson's contract is too much of a road block, which is completely understandable btw, than the Wiz stay pat.

This. Despite NatP4's post, where not really in the position to trade an expiring contract for a long term cap commitment when were potentially facing a scenario where we'll need to exceed the luxury tax to bring back Otto Porter.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

Yep, will Barton's contract is totally gonna prevent us from resigning Otto. Lol.

[Dat2U]

There's interest, but If Denver isn't willing to take back Nicholson then there's no point in continuing trade talks. Nicholson + 1st is what the Wizards are offering and if Nicholson's contract is too much of a road block, which is completely understandable btw, than the Wiz stay pat.

This. Despite NatP4's post, where not really in the position to trade an expiring contract for a long term cap commitment when were potentially facing a scenario where we'll need to exceed the luxury tax to bring back Otto Porter.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

Yep, will Barton's contract is totally gonna prevent us from resigning Otto. Lol.

Are you capable of comprehension? I seriously question whether you are or not. I have never said that.

[gambitx777]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

Denver has a ton of cap space and nicholsons deal is not big, he's just not a good player. If you wanted to do Burke (3 mil expiring) and a 2018 first for Barton you would have to give up the rights to petr cornelie.
So the likely deals on the table are,
Nicholson and a 2018 or 2019 first for Barton.
or Burke and a 2018 or 2019 first for barton and Cornelie.

[NatP4]

This. Despite NatP4's post, where not really in the position to trade an expiring contract for a long term cap commitment when were potentially facing a scenario where we'll need to exceed the luxury tax to bring back Otto Porter.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

Yep, will Barton's contract is totally gonna prevent us from resigning Otto. Lol.

Are you capable of comprehension? I seriously question whether you are or not. I have never said that.

You referred to a 2 year 6 million dollar contract as a long term cap commitment.

[NatP4]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

Denver has a ton of cap space and nicholsons deal is not big, he's just not a good player. If you wanted to do Burke (3 mil expiring) and a 2018 first for Barton you would have to give up the rights to petr cornelie.
So the likely deals on the table are,
Nicholson and a 2018 or 2019 first for Barton.
or Burke and a 2018 or 2019 first for barton and Cornelie.

No we can't trade Burke's contract because it offers us so much cap space, and will Barton's contract would essentially handicap us from resigning Otto or making any other moves for the rest of eternity.

BUT LOU WILLIAMS COULD SAVE US

[NatP4]

People just come into this thread and try to act like they know more than everyone else, like they have some secret GM intel. That's why this thread is cancer now.

[gambitx777]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

There's interest, but If Denver isn't willing to take back Nicholson then there's no point in continuing trade talks. Nicholson + 1st is what the Wizards are offering and if Nicholson's contract is too much of a road block, which is completely understandable btw, than the Wiz stay pat.

This. Despite NatP4's post, where not really in the position to trade an expiring contract for a long term cap commitment when were potentially facing a scenario where we'll need to exceed the luxury tax to bring back Otto Porter.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

Well Burkes deal is not going to stop us from keeping porter considering that it looks more and more likely each day that we dump Mahinmi. But even if we don't, maxing porter is going to put us over the tax any way, so 3 million more aint that big of an issue plus if we need to we can move Barton later, and we will probably try to trade Nicholson too maybe? I doubt if we get barton for burke that its the only move we make.

[deneem4]

We need to do something with nicholson...il attach a 2018 top 20 protected 1st to him...

[Dat2U]

People just come into this thread and try to act like they know more than everyone else, like they have some secret GM intel. That's why this thread is cancer now.

Sort of like how you've corrupted many a game thread, acting like you wrote the book on coaching?

[gambitx777]

We need to do something with nicholson...il attach a 2018 top 20 protected 1st to him...

its not as crazy as it seems, plumlee, who is on a much worse deal just got traded for expirings.

[Dat2U]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

Denver has a ton of cap space and nicholsons deal is not big, he's just not a good player. If you wanted to do Burke (3 mil expiring) and a 2018 first for Barton you would have to give up the rights to petr cornelie.
So the likely deals on the table are,
Nicholson and a 2018 or 2019 first for Barton.
or Burke and a 2018 or 2019 first for barton and Cornelie.

No we can't trade Burke's contract because it offers us so much cap space, and will Barton's contract would essentially handicap us from resigning Otto or making any other moves for the rest of eternity.

BUT LOU WILLIAMS COULD SAVE US

Lou Williams is having a helluva better year than Barton and it involves shipping out Nicholson as opposed to Burke. Adding salary potentially means we have to send out two contracts as opposed to one to stay under the luxury tax. So not only do you attach an asset to acquire Barton, you put us in position where will have to attach ANOTHER asset to rid our selves of Nicholson.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

BulletsForever recently had a roundtable conversation on what to do about Nicholson and former RealGM poster Nivek/TSW/Kevin Broom had a somewhat surprising take on the situation:

Kevin Broom: I’m a bit surprised how clingy everyone’s being with the first round pick. This team has spent the past several years burning assets to make up for Ernie Grunfeld’s mistakes, so they could “compete” to make the playoffs. This year they might have a chance to burn assets to make up for Grunfeld mistakes to compete in the playoffs.

I understand the points about player development and obtaining young players for the future. Buy a second round pick or two, or maybe even a late first. But no one in the East is dominant and this could be an opportunity for a team like the Wizards to do something special – if they can shore up their biggest weaknesses (crappy bench and no depth).

They have frontcourt help coming if Mahinmi can get healthy. Dangle Nicholson and that first and see what backcourt help is available.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/2/4/14501786/andrew-nicholson-washington-wizards-team-analysis

Sounds like Kev would be okay with Lou Will.

It's tempting. Especially if it's an '18 pick instead of '17.

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Williams
Porter / Oubre
Morris / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi

We'd have the 10 guys above for the next two playoff runs. A Lou Will, Oubre, Mahinmi bench doesn't sound too bad.

Kevin Broom is very smart about a lot of things.

He's also wrong every now and again. This being one of those times.

Trade THIS DRAFT PICK just to get rid of Nicholson and shore up a supposedly crappy bench?

NO, dammit. Just try and get the next Yogi Ferrell from the D-League. Geez ...

[torotoe]

Any interest in Will Barton? He's a pretty decent player. Not without his warts, but a good rebounder, 40% 3pt shooter with an aggressive play style. I think he could contribute to your bench play. Asking price would probably be a 1st, due to his low contract, but I'd be hesitant to take back the long term deal of Nicholson.

I'm not in love with Will Barton's game or fit either. He's more of a 3 than a 2 (we really don't need a 3). He's a poor defender and I don't know if his 3 pt shooting this year is sustainable or an outlier.

He's a 2, imo. More of a combo guard than a swingman. I understand if you don't like his game, I think he's a bit wild, but he's alright.

If you were more inclined, maybe Jameer, Barton for Burke, Smith, 1st. That's more salary next year so I understand if you are not interested. Barton seems to have a market overall

Let's be honest guys you have to give to get, but that goes both ways so let me know if I'm thinking too highly of nuggets players. There is always standing pat. The wizards have been really good.

Also, the cap is going up. I'm not aware of the cap situation of your team at all, but are you factoring in the new cap?

[gambitx777]

Denver has a ton of cap space and nicholsons deal is not big, he's just not a good player. If you wanted to do Burke (3 mil expiring) and a 2018 first for Barton you would have to give up the rights to petr cornelie.
So the likely deals on the table are,
Nicholson and a 2018 or 2019 first for Barton.
or Burke and a 2018 or 2019 first for barton and Cornelie.

No we can't trade Burke's contract because it offers us so much cap space, and will Barton's contract would essentially handicap us from resigning Otto or making any other moves for the rest of eternity.

BUT LOU WILLIAMS COULD SAVE US

Lou Williams is having a helluva better year than Barton and it involves shipping out Nicholson as opposed to Burke. Adding salary potentially means we have to send out two contracts as opposed to one to stay under the luxury tax. So not only do you attach an asset to acquire Barton, you put us in position where will have to attach ANOTHER asset to rid our selves of Nicholson.

Williams is on a 2 year 14 million deal and barton is on a 2 year 6 deal.

[WarriorsLakers]

There is no way the lakers are taking back A Nicholson for lou williams.

[TGW]

I'm not interested in trading a first rounder for a bench player. Quite frankly, I'm not buying Kieff Morris as a long term answer at power forward, and our bigs are mediocre outside of gortat. Trading a pick for combo guards or mediocre wings are a nogo for me.

[Dat2U]

BulletsForever recently had a roundtable conversation on what to do about Nicholson and former RealGM poster Nivek/TSW/Kevin Broom had a somewhat surprising take on the situation:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/2/4/14501786/andrew-nicholson-washington-wizards-team-analysis

Sounds like Kev would be okay with Lou Will.

It's tempting. Especially if it's an '18 pick instead of '17.

Wall / Satoransky
Beal / Williams
Porter / Oubre
Morris / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi

We'd have the 10 guys above for the next two playoff runs. A Lou Will, Oubre, Mahinmi bench doesn't sound too bad.

Kevin Broom is very smart about a lot of things.

He's also wrong every now and again. This being one of those times.

Trade THIS DRAFT PICK just to get rid of Nicholson and shore up a supposedly crappy bench?

NO, dammit. Just try and get the next Yogi Ferrell from the D-League. Geez ...

1. I'm torn on it. If I were to do it, I'd prefer trading the '18 pick as opposed to the '17 one.

2. Lou Will is having a helluva season. 23.3 PER, .598 TS% on 30.4% usage, .163 WS48, .409 from 3pt range, .171 RPM - 5th among SGs in the league.

3. We get him for the rest of this season and '17-18. We relieve ourselves from 2 years of the salary commitment we made to Nicholson.

4. I don't disagree with getting someone out of the D league. But for the playoffs we may need veteran help. I don't think we can rely on Burke/Sato/Thornton/McClellan and survive come playoff time.

[Dat2U]

No we can't trade Burke's contract because it offers us so much cap space, and will Barton's contract would essentially handicap us from resigning Otto or making any other moves for the rest of eternity.

BUT LOU WILLIAMS COULD SAVE US

Lou Williams is having a helluva better year than Barton and it involves shipping out Nicholson as opposed to Burke. Adding salary potentially means we have to send out two contracts as opposed to one to stay under the luxury tax. So not only do you attach an asset to acquire Barton, you put us in position where will have to attach ANOTHER asset to rid our selves of Nicholson.

Williams is on a 2 year 14 million deal and barton is on a 2 year 6 deal.

One involves swapping Nicholson's salary slot who will make over $6 mil for the next 3 1/2 seasons vs. Burke who will be a free agent.