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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#41 » by LALifer49 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 1:40 am

Scalabrine wrote:I dont think they should give up a 2017 first for a quick-fix type trade. Look at the picture and draft another young guy that can learn and build with these guys that is on a long-term team friendly contract. I would think about a 2nd or 2 but I think I would rather role with what they have then give up a 1st for a season and a half of Lou Williams.


I disagree, I like the Wizards, they're my favorite East team right now, and I think Lou Williams would be perfect for them. He's the exact scoring punch they need off the bench and they are getting Mahini back so they'd actually have some depth and their weakness is their bench. Wizards are one of the 3 members of Easts 2nd tier, and it only takes some bad luck for Cleveland to fall out of the 1st tier. Wizards time to make a run is now while Beal and Wall are both healthy. And he's on a fantastic contract.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#42 » by Clevelander » Sat Feb 4, 2017 1:49 am

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Milbuck wrote:Right, because saying a team is good = being a bandwagon fan. And changing your mind about a team is basically a felony.


A bit dramatic are we? isn't a bandwagon fan somebody who only supports a team during a time of success?


The pot calling the kettle black on this one...


huh? how so?
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#43 » by Scalabrine » Sat Feb 4, 2017 2:53 am

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Scalabrine wrote:
Clevelander wrote:
A bit dramatic are we? isn't a bandwagon fan somebody who only supports a team during a time of success?


The pot calling the kettle black on this one...


huh? how so?


Its a bit dramatic to call everyone who is giving Washington props and calling them a good team bandwagon fans, no?
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#44 » by Clevelander » Sat Feb 4, 2017 3:01 am

Scalabrine wrote:
Clevelander wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
The pot calling the kettle black on this one...


huh? how so?


Its a bit dramatic to call everyone who is giving Washington props and calling them a good team bandwagon fans, no?


I was just pointing out that it's funny how nobody even gave them a second thought and they were on nobody's radar early in the season, but now everybody is raving about how good they are. I may be wrong, but that IS the definition of being a bandwagoner. The dude above was likening my comment to a felony.... now that is being dramatic
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#45 » by Meliorus » Sat Feb 4, 2017 3:05 am

Clevelander wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
Clevelander wrote:
huh? how so?


Its a bit dramatic to call everyone who is giving Washington props and calling them a good team bandwagon fans, no?


I was just pointing out that it's funny how nobody even gave them a second thought and they were on nobody's radar early in the season, but now everybody is raving about how good they are. I may be wrong, but that IS the definition of being a bandwagoner. The dude above was likening my comment to a felony.... now that is being dramatic


But they're not newly converted fans of the team, they're just outsiders acknowledging our success.
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Post#46 » by Scalabrine » Sat Feb 4, 2017 3:33 am

LALifer49 wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:I dont think they should give up a 2017 first for a quick-fix type trade. Look at the picture and draft another young guy that can learn and build with these guys that is on a long-term team friendly contract. I would think about a 2nd or 2 but I think I would rather role with what they have then give up a 1st for a season and a half of Lou Williams.


I disagree, I like the Wizards, they're my favorite East team right now, and I think Lou Williams would be perfect for them. He's the exact scoring punch they need off the bench and they are getting Mahini back so they'd actually have some depth and their weakness is their bench. Wizards are one of the 3 members of Easts 2nd tier, and it only takes some bad luck for Cleveland to fall out of the 1st tier. Wizards time to make a run is now while Beal and Wall are both healthy. And he's on a fantastic contract.


You like the Lakers, they are your favorite team in the NBA...and you want a first round pick.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#47 » by Clevelander » Sat Feb 4, 2017 3:34 am

Meliorus wrote:
Clevelander wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
Its a bit dramatic to call everyone who is giving Washington props and calling them a good team bandwagon fans, no?


I was just pointing out that it's funny how nobody even gave them a second thought and they were on nobody's radar early in the season, but now everybody is raving about how good they are. I may be wrong, but that IS the definition of being a bandwagoner. The dude above was likening my comment to a felony.... now that is being dramatic


But they're not newly converted fans of the team, they're just outsiders acknowledging our success.


well then that's my bad for misinterpreting it and/or jumping to conclusion too quickly.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#48 » by LALifer49 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 5:25 am

Scalabrine wrote:
LALifer49 wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:I dont think they should give up a 2017 first for a quick-fix type trade. Look at the picture and draft another young guy that can learn and build with these guys that is on a long-term team friendly contract. I would think about a 2nd or 2 but I think I would rather role with what they have then give up a 1st for a season and a half of Lou Williams.


I disagree, I like the Wizards, they're my favorite East team right now, and I think Lou Williams would be perfect for them. He's the exact scoring punch they need off the bench and they are getting Mahini back so they'd actually have some depth and their weakness is their bench. Wizards are one of the 3 members of Easts 2nd tier, and it only takes some bad luck for Cleveland to fall out of the 1st tier. Wizards time to make a run is now while Beal and Wall are both healthy. And he's on a fantastic contract.


You like the Lakers, they are your favorite team in the NBA...and you want a first round pick.


So what? Is my saying that going to somehow influence reality? The fact of the matter is I think it'd be good for them for the reasons I listed, none of which referenced my Laker fandom. I'd love to trade Louwill and keep the pick, but I'd be happy trading him anywhere (happiest to the nets), so nice strawman. Sometimes teams have to stop looking towards the future and see what they can do now, the Wizards are a top 4 team in the East and can make a nice run, its time. Im sure they'd rather win 50 games have a nice playoff run and be an attractive destination for fa than not get Lou Will (on a 7 million dollar deal, doesnt even hurt cap space) do worse this season, and keep their 20 something pick.
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Post#49 » by krii » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:54 pm

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Post#50 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:49 pm

Love the Wiz and their lineup. Just need a little more punch off the bench to be legit.

Interesting question.....Knicks ask for Otto Porter, Satoransky and two firsts for Melo, do the Wiz say yes?

I'd love to see a

Wall
Beal
Morris
Melo
Gortat

lineup
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Post#51 » by pcbothwel » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:18 pm

TheDavinciCHODE wrote:Love the Wiz and their lineup. Just need a little more punch off the bench to be legit.

Interesting question.....Knicks ask for Otto Porter, Satoransky and two firsts for Melo, do the Wiz say yes?

I'd love to see a

Wall
Beal
Morris
Melo
Gortat

lineup


LOL. The wiz wouldnt trade Otto straight up for Melo... So to answer your question, No.
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Post#52 » by relinquishy » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:27 pm

TheDavinciCHODE wrote:Love the Wiz and their lineup. Just need a little more punch off the bench to be legit.

Interesting question.....Knicks ask for Otto Porter, Satoransky and two firsts for Melo, do the Wiz say yes?

I'd love to see a

Wall
Beal
Morris
Melo
Gortat

lineup


You high?
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Post#53 » by Meliorus » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:28 pm

TheDavinciCHODE wrote:Love the Wiz and their lineup. Just need a little more punch off the bench to be legit.

Interesting question.....Knicks ask for Otto Porter, Satoransky and two firsts for Melo, do the Wiz say yes?

I'd love to see a

Wall
Beal
Morris
Melo
Gortat

lineup


Huge downgrade if we traded Otto for Melo straight up. Throw in 2 firsts?? I'd like to get some of what you're on.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#54 » by pineappleheadindc » Sun Feb 5, 2017 9:53 pm

mhd wrote:
Clevelander wrote:I find it funny how before the season started, nobody even talked about the Wizards and very few had them even making the playoffs. Now that they're doing well, people seem to be jumping all over them saying how good they are and even calling them the "second best team in the east". Bandwagon Wizards fans? Who woulda thought



Read our board. We really don't have bandwagon fans. Heck, everyone of us (save maybe one) would fire our inept GM right now if we could.


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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#55 » by BigA » Mon Feb 6, 2017 1:49 am

mhd wrote:
Clevelander wrote:I find it funny how before the season started, nobody even talked about the Wizards and very few had them even making the playoffs. Now that they're doing well, people seem to be jumping all over them saying how good they are and even calling them the "second best team in the east". Bandwagon Wizards fans? Who woulda thought



Read our board. We really don't have bandwagon fans. Heck, everyone of us (save maybe one) would fire our inept GM right now if we could.

At least 2 on the Wizboard would keep EG.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#56 » by TheBabyMaker » Mon Feb 6, 2017 2:14 am

BigA wrote:
mhd wrote:
Clevelander wrote:I find it funny how before the season started, nobody even talked about the Wizards and very few had them even making the playoffs. Now that they're doing well, people seem to be jumping all over them saying how good they are and even calling them the "second best team in the east". Bandwagon Wizards fans? Who woulda thought



Read our board. We really don't have bandwagon fans. Heck, everyone of us (save maybe one) would fire our inept GM right now if we could.

At least 2 on the Wizboard would keep EG.


Doubt that the trolls over there have seem to left. ???
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#57 » by TheBabyMaker » Mon Feb 6, 2017 2:15 am

TheBabyMaker wrote:
BigA wrote:
mhd wrote:

Read our board. We really don't have bandwagon fans. Heck, everyone of us (save maybe one) would fire our inept GM right now if we could.

At least 2 on the Wizboard would keep EG.


Doubt that the trolls over there have seem to left. ???
As a Wizards fan I'am in a wait and see how the do out West whenever they get out ther. Seem like the schedule is out to jinx us.

Wow I ended up quoting a post I wanted to edit. :banghead:
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Post#58 » by Johnny Bball » Mon Feb 6, 2017 2:31 am

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html#misc_stats::6

They do have pretty much the toughest schedule left. just saying.
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Post#59 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Mon Feb 6, 2017 6:37 am

pcbothwel wrote:
TheDavinciCHODE wrote:Love the Wiz and their lineup. Just need a little more punch off the bench to be legit.

Interesting question.....Knicks ask for Otto Porter, Satoransky and two firsts for Melo, do the Wiz say yes?

I'd love to see a

Wall
Beal
Morris
Melo
Gortat

lineup


LOL. The wiz wouldnt trade Otto straight up for Melo... So to answer your question, No.


Why not?

Otto at this point is mostly a catch and shoot 3nD player, no? He's a good compliment to Wall and Beal, but isn't really very special on offense.

His TS% is sky high, but that's because 42% of his shot are assisted 3's.....he shots over40% of his shots from behind the arc and nearly 100% of them are assisted on according to bball reference. So it seems like he is literally just spotting up behind the line on half of his plays. His 3pt% is sky-high too, which will come down a bit. I don't think 46% is sustainable, though.

Otto is definitely a good role player, but he isn't as good as Carmelo Anthony is overall. He only shoots 1.4 FT's a game, too.

I think Otto is probably a better "fit" next to Wall and Beal because of his catch and shoot ability and his defense, but adding Melo at the 4 next to Gortat would add a whole new dimension to the Wiz.

So yeah, IDK. Otto is a good player, but he ain't that good. Not to mention that Melo's numbers are way down due to his high usage and surrounding talent not meshing and not being that good. If he were given a second fiddle role, he'd probably be getting 20ppg on better % and better 3p%. In his career, he has shot way better on spot ups than off the dribble.

Not to mention that having him surrounded by 4 good defenders would probably mitigate his defensive woes.
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Re: Washington Wizards 

Post#60 » by Error Afflalo » Mon Feb 6, 2017 7:00 am

I'm assuming we're talking an offseason sign-and-trade because the salaries don't match right now. Either way, the Wiz are definitely turning down an Otto for Melo deal because Otto's age (23) and game are a better fit with Wall and Beal.

I'm not as down on Melo as most - I think it's become so trendy to knock him that people are starting to underestimate him. Still, it doesn't make sense for the Wiz, not if Otto is involved anyway.

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