Political Roundtable Part XII

[Zonkerbl]

You missed my point. I'm not advocating violence in response to the hate they spew. I'm saying a consequence of being a hate-monger is that karma will come back their way. What goes around comes around.

Milo especially is walking a dangerous line. Gaining fame by consistently insulting others will always have a negative chain reaction. It seems like he's on a chase to be a martyr for the alt right movement.

When has Milo ever supported or incited violence of any kind? Milo, of all people, is pretty phucking far from being a Nazi. He's a gay Jewish Libertarian who tirelessly advocates for free speech.

Many on the Left are condoning violence against "Nazi's" and then defining anybody they don't agree with as a Nazi. Do you not see the end result of this?

If you really believe that the tactics espoused by the Antifa left are going to be effective for the Left, for liberals or for Democrats, you're in for a huge letdown.

He advocates hate speech as free speech. He doesn't implicitly support violence but his words often incite it. You can't expect folks to idly stand by and except the wretched things he says and not expect some type of retribution.

I have mixed feelings about Yiannapollis (or however the hell you spell it). On the one side, here's an opportunity to invite someone to Berkely whose political views you don't agree with, ask a bunch of pointed questions and see who wins in a fair, respectful discussion with no one shouting over anyone else.

On the other hand, Milo is not a special snowflake and the consequences of being a jerk are the same for him as they are for anyone else - people have a right to be sick of your BS and not want to put up with you anymore. Don't agree with setting things on fire though, except to say - if people are so mad at you that they are setting things on fire, maybe it's you?

[montestewart]

When has Milo ever supported or incited violence of any kind? Milo, of all people, is pretty phucking far from being a Nazi. He's a gay Jewish Libertarian who tirelessly advocates for free speech.

Many on the Left are condoning violence against "Nazi's" and then defining anybody they don't agree with as a Nazi. Do you not see the end result of this?

If you really believe that the tactics espoused by the Antifa left are going to be effective for the Left, for liberals or for Democrats, you're in for a huge letdown.

He advocates hate speech as free speech. He doesn't implicitly support violence but his words often incite it. You can't expect folks to idly stand by and except the wretched things he says and not expect some type of retribution.

I have mixed feelings about Yiannapollis (or however the hell you spell it). On the one side, here's an opportunity to invite someone to Berkely whose political views you don't agree with, ask a bunch of pointed questions and see who wins in a fair, respectful discussion with no one shouting over anyone else.

On the other hand, Milo is not a special snowflake and the consequences of being a jerk are the same for him as they are for anyone else - people have a right to be sick of your BS and not want to put up with you anymore. Don't agree with setting things on fire though, except to say - if people are so mad at you that they are setting things on fire, maybe it's you?

People on this board are familiar with trolling, and that's what such DBs (the president, etc.) do routinely. Yeah, sure, free speech blah blah blah, but quit pretending they're not getting the reaction they wanted. Free speech arguments could also include extension of 1st Amendment protection to suppression of troll's free speech, as speech originally intended to stem from, and thus inextricably a part of, the speech originally published by the troll. Recognizing the free discourse in a democracy on those days when you come home from the bar empty handed, recall that Righty's never alone with Lefty. Punch yourself and post it on twitter, someone's outrage is waiting.

[Zonkerbl]

Yeah, the difference between a Nazi and a troll is, the Nazi is someone who is mislead to believe something that is blatantly not true and can be convinced he's wrong, or at least shown to be wrong. A troll is a sadist who enjoys using words to inflict pain. You can slap sense into a Nazi, if that's your thing, or you can try to talk to them. The Christian thing to do when a troll punches you verbally is to turn the other cheek and ignore them. Certainly don't invite them to your campus to throw more verbal punches.

[Zonkerbl]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

[nate33]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Strawman. Neither Milo nor anyone else is arguing that his 1st Amendment rights are being infringed. People can boycott Milo all they want. What's unacceptable is rioting, vandalism and assault. Those are crimes unrelated to the 1st Amendment.

One can also question whether public institutions funded by the taxpayer have the right to infringe free political speech.

[AFM]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Strawman. Neither Milo nor anyone else is arguing that his 1st Amendment rights are being infringed. People can boycott Milo all they want. What's unacceptable is rioting, vandalism and assault. Those are crimes unrelated to the 1st Amendment.

One can also question whether public institutions funded by the taxpayer have the right to infringe free political speech.

Watch on YouTube

Yes, reminds me of when twitter blocked him--of course it's not a violation of the first amendment, twitter can do what they want.

I don't agree with everything Milo says, but I do have to give props when they're due. He's incredibly well spoken, even when rioters interrupt his speeches, call him a Nazi/white supremacist (a gay, interracial dating, white supremacist Nazi Jew, apparently), and he never loses his cool.
His interviews on the JRE are pretty good, too.

[nate33]

He advocates hate speech as free speech. He doesn't implicitly support violence but his words often incite it. You can't expect folks to idly stand by and except the wretched things he says and not expect some type of retribution.

I have mixed feelings about Yiannapollis (or however the hell you spell it). On the one side, here's an opportunity to invite someone to Berkely whose political views you don't agree with, ask a bunch of pointed questions and see who wins in a fair, respectful discussion with no one shouting over anyone else.

On the other hand, Milo is not a special snowflake and the consequences of being a jerk are the same for him as they are for anyone else - people have a right to be sick of your BS and not want to put up with you anymore. Don't agree with setting things on fire though, except to say - if people are so mad at you that they are setting things on fire, maybe it's you?

People on this board are familiar with trolling, and that's what such DBs (the president, etc.) do routinely. Yeah, sure, free speech blah blah blah, but quit pretending they're not getting the reaction they wanted. Free speech arguments could also include extension of 1st Amendment protection to suppression of troll's free speech, as speech originally intended to stem from, and thus inextricably a part of, the speech originally published by the troll. Recognizing the free discourse in a democracy on those days when you come home from the bar empty handed, recall that Righty's never alone with Lefty. Punch yourself and post it on twitter, someone's outrage is waiting.

Yeah, don't worry about the violence in the streets against anyone who supports Trump. It's no big deal. Stop whining!

[nate33]

World Leaders Duped into Investing Billions over Manipulated Global Warming Data

The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown The Mail on Sunday irrefutable evidence that the paper was based on misleading, ‘unverified’ data.

[Zonkerbl]

This is the guy who guys around mocking Social Justice Warriors and safe spaces?

Yeah, whatever. He's a troll. A professional troll, wow, impressive. He's so good at what he does other sadists pay him money to go out and torture people verbally? What an admirable person!

[AFM]

torture people verbally

You should really get your T levels checked.

[Zonkerbl]

OMG violence in the streets against Trump supporters, my my!!!! *fans self*

Gimme a break. My daughter witnessed one of those episodes of violence. Her LGBTQ club organized a march and this one pro-Trump guy marched next to them harassing them non-stop until someone punched him in the face.

It's not like roving bands of liberal rioters are chasing pro-Trumpers down in the streets and beating them down (tempting as that sounds). It takes two to tango.

[AFM]

Newsflash, Zonk: if you find someone's speeches "verbal torture", how about you, uh...don't go to them? He's not trolling the streets with a megaphone.

I find Lady Gaga's voice verbal torture as well, thankfully my radio has two knobs on it.

[Zonkerbl]

torture people verbally

You should really get your T levels checked.

[AFM]

torture people verbally

You should really get your T levels checked.

That's your response? Wow, someone that I'd like to punch got punched by someone else.

[Zonkerbl]

So, cowardly online bully anonymously insults other person who makes statement against online bullying.

Brave.

[montestewart]

I have mixed feelings about Yiannapollis (or however the hell you spell it). On the one side, here's an opportunity to invite someone to Berkely whose political views you don't agree with, ask a bunch of pointed questions and see who wins in a fair, respectful discussion with no one shouting over anyone else.

On the other hand, Milo is not a special snowflake and the consequences of being a jerk are the same for him as they are for anyone else - people have a right to be sick of your BS and not want to put up with you anymore. Don't agree with setting things on fire though, except to say - if people are so mad at you that they are setting things on fire, maybe it's you?

People on this board are familiar with trolling, and that's what such DBs (the president, etc.) do routinely. Yeah, sure, free speech blah blah blah, but quit pretending they're not getting the reaction they wanted. Free speech arguments could also include extension of 1st Amendment protection to suppression of troll's free speech, as speech originally intended to stem from, and thus inextricably a part of, the speech originally published by the troll. Recognizing the free discourse in a democracy on those days when you come home from the bar empty handed, recall that Righty's never alone with Lefty. Punch yourself and post it on twitter, someone's outrage is waiting.

Yeah, don't worry about the violence in the streets against anyone who supports Trump. It's no big deal. Stop whining!

You severely misunderstand if you think the point was to say "don't worry"

[AFM]

So, cowardly online bully anonymously insults other person who makes statement against online bullying.

Brave.

What happened to it takes two to tango? Whatever, I don't really want to go back and forth with you, I don't think anyone else cares. My bad.

[gtn130]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Strawman. Neither Milo nor anyone else is arguing that his 1st Amendment rights are being infringed. People can boycott Milo all they want. What's unacceptable is rioting, vandalism and assault. Those are crimes unrelated to the 1st Amendment.

One can also question whether public institutions funded by the taxpayer have the right to infringe free political speech.

You think people have an inherent right to give political speeches at UC Berkeley's campus?

[gtn130]

This is the guy who guys around mocking Social Justice Warriors and safe spaces?

Yeah, whatever. He's a troll. A professional troll, wow, impressive. He's so good at what he does other sadists pay him money to go out and torture people verbally? What an admirable person!

Yes but he's incredibly well spoken

[nate33]

People on this board are familiar with trolling, and that's what such DBs (the president, etc.) do routinely. Yeah, sure, free speech blah blah blah, but quit pretending they're not getting the reaction they wanted. Free speech arguments could also include extension of 1st Amendment protection to suppression of troll's free speech, as speech originally intended to stem from, and thus inextricably a part of, the speech originally published by the troll. Recognizing the free discourse in a democracy on those days when you come home from the bar empty handed, recall that Righty's never alone with Lefty. Punch yourself and post it on twitter, someone's outrage is waiting.

Yeah, don't worry about the violence in the streets against anyone who supports Trump. It's no big deal. Stop whining!

You severely misunderstand if you think the point was to say "don't worry"

I guess I did. It sounds like you are saying Milo is merely a troll and the outrage is all faux outrage.