Elfrid Payton Shooting Stroke

[Blue_and_Whte]

New cheer when Elf is shooting FTs... CUT-THE-BANGS! CUT-THE-BANGS! CUT-THE-BANGS! CUT-THE-BANGS!

Im not even saying shave it bald, just a damn trim. Like I think the length was fine the year we drafted him.

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Is someone going to tell me that that **** isn't impeding his line of sight? Really?

It's not how it works man. Additionally, many, many players have a setpoint off their right eye. Some are the best shooters in history. Many players played with huge Afros and shot well. Larry Bird's hair was a floppy mess. It's low on the list of reasons why Elfrid struggles with his shooting.

I.. I cant discuss with someone about what percentage of players shoot with their right eye instead of their left . This is the first time ive ever heard this argument.

Larry Bird didn't have a 5 inch overhang above his eyes. I don't understand how they can even remotely similar.





Elfird is essentially playing with a ball cap on. Like I said before, I think it has more to do with shooting mechanics but I have a hard time believing it doesn't have some impact.

[Skin]

Seriously, the hair has to go. Anyone who knows anything about shooting knows that it's getting in the way.

But hey... the guy is improving so what the hey.... lol

[Blue_and_Whte]

Seriously, the hair has to go. Anyone who knows anything about shooting knows that it's getting in the way.

But hey... the guy is improving so what the hey.... lol

Or anyone that has tried shooting basketball with a ball cap on. Same ****, different material.

[PennytoShaq]

Im not even saying shave it bald, just a damn trim. Like I think the length was fine the year we drafted him.

2014





2017






Is someone going to tell me that that **** isn't impeding his line of sight? Really?

It's not how it works man. Additionally, many, many players have a setpoint off their right eye. Some are the best shooters in history. Many players played with huge Afros and shot well. Larry Bird's hair was a floppy mess. It's low on the list of reasons why Elfrid struggles with his shooting.

I.. I cant discuss with someone about what percentage of players shoot with their right eye instead of their left . This is the first time ive ever heard this argument.

Larry Bird didn't have a 5 inch overhang above his eyes. I don't understand how they can even remotely similar.





Elfird is essentially playing with a ball cap on. Like I said before, I think it has more to do with shooting mechanics but I have a hard time believing it doesn't have some impact.

You don't understand what I am saying. Probably on me though - so here's what I meant:

The set point of his shot was argued earlier to be off because of his hair. People said he shot at an angle due to it. That's false. Some of the best shooters in the NBA have a set point off their right eye (steph curry).

Now people are saying that it touches the ball and must have some effect. That's minimal at best, but most likely a reach.

My point is that he could cut his hair and it won't change much with his shooting. The only thing that will fix it is continuing to commit to the new motion (he has changed his motion, amazed people can't see this) and more importantly, have a consistent release point.

The hair is such a small part of it, that it's not really worth worrying about.

[bigpimpatl]

If the hair was really causing an issue, I think he'd cut it off. Why? because he'd be risking millions towards his next deal. All it takes is a few percentage points difference to be out of the league. I highly doubt any normal person with normal intelligence would take such a risk just to have a hairdo, no matter how cool you think it is

tell that to the NBA big men that shoot sub 50% on their FT's, but wont change their shooting motion, because it doesnt look cool.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/553460/NBA-player-shoots-granny-style-free-throws-Houston-Rockets-Chinanu-Onuaku

Stepping up to the line, Onuaku throws the ball underhand – bucking the usual trend to hit a perfect two from two.

The Maryland native switched to shooting free throws “granny” style during his freshman year of college in an effort to remedy his awful track record from the foul line – which at the time stood at 46%.

The change was a success, boosting his shooting percentage twelve points to 58%.

this is the sign of a mature player

“I really don’t care what people think. As long as I get a bucket, I’m fine,” he told Sports Illustrated in July.

The clip went viral on social media site Reddit as users shared their views on the incident.

“Honestly I love watching players who are willing to do whatever it takes to improve their game even if it looks 'stupid’,” said one viewer.

“It takes someone with real confidence to admit that something they've been doing for years isn't working and to try something new.”

I agree with you on the big men. But historically those guys don't shoot well from the stripe. So typically they are judged by the other things they do on the court.

But if a guard can't shoot, in today's NBA, that's a death sentence IMO. If it really was an issue I feel he'd get it cut; It just doesn't make sense to risk millions on your next contract. Which is why I don't think it's hindering his ability to shoot.

[anothermagicfan]

If elfrid cut his hair then the sun would get in his eyes and his shot would be much worse.

[anothermagicfan]

Seriously though. His percentages have gotten better each year little by little. The last 2 years he shot some ugly ugly ugly bricks at almost as good a rate as I've said ugly in this sentence. I can't count the number of times I've yelled at my TV when he completely missed the rim and got just the backboard or flew an air ball to the baseline. His shot looks a lot better to me this year. Yeah he still throws a brick now and then but he's making more shots and his misses at least hit the rim now. He's never going to be Stephen curry. But Stephen curry will never have hair as cool as elfrid paytons.

[tiderulz]

Seriously though. His percentages have gotten better each year little by little. The last 2 years he shot some ugly ugly ugly bricks at almost as good a rate as I've said ugly in this sentence. I can't count the number of times I've yelled at my TV when he completely missed the rim and got just the backboard or flew an air ball to the baseline. His shot looks a lot better to me this year. Yeah he still throws a brick now and then but he's making more shots and his misses at least hit the rim now. He's never going to be Stephen curry. But Stephen curry will never have hair as cool as elfrid paytons.

his 3pt % went down this year

[anothermagicfan]

Seriously though. His percentages have gotten better each year little by little. The last 2 years he shot some ugly ugly ugly bricks at almost as good a rate as I've said ugly in this sentence. I can't count the number of times I've yelled at my TV when he completely missed the rim and got just the backboard or flew an air ball to the baseline. His shot looks a lot better to me this year. Yeah he still throws a brick now and then but he's making more shots and his misses at least hit the rim now. He's never going to be Stephen curry. But Stephen curry will never have hair as cool as elfrid paytons.

his 3pt % went down this year

Early on in the year it was up. He's still got time to improve that number...but probably only if he cuts his hair. His effective shooting% and his true shooting% are both up along with fg and free throw%

[CajunBall]

While the Atlanta commentators were roasting his hair, they zoomed in good during a FT.





Still has the same jacked up angles. The ball is off 45 degrees and his elbow is messed up because he's so far on the other side of his head.

Thing is, he was like that before the hair, it's just the same shot now.

The difference is that when he was in college he used his guide hand more than he should have whereas now he shoots with his shooting hand which is closer to the proper form. Like someone else said the release is most important. Lebron James has a similar setup with his elbow sticking out but he shoots good percentages from the field and the line but Ben Wallace had a pretty setup and release but couldn't shoot for jack.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Elfrid Payton and Aaron Gordon still struggle mightily so maybe our shooting coach is the culprit

[Blue_and_Whte]

While the Atlanta commentators were roasting his hair, they zoomed in good during a FT.





Still has the same jacked up angles. The ball is off 45 degrees and his elbow is messed up because he's so far on the other side of his head.

Thing is, he was like that before the hair, it's just the same shot now.

zomg! :lol; Did nobody teach this kid basic shooting form? Big problem I have with HS coaches these days, they just let their best players do whatever they want which leads to bad habits. Then again you cant really teach kids anything anymore because some snowflake would get offended and say you're too tough on them.

[rcklsscognition]

Elfrid Payton and Aaron Gordon still struggle mightily so maybe our shooting coach is the culprit

Our team cannot shoot and cannot dribble. I am still wondering why Hernandez has survived 3 coaching rebuilds.

[rcklsscognition]

While the Atlanta commentators were roasting his hair, they zoomed in good during a FT.

Still has the same jacked up angles. The ball is off 45 degrees and his elbow is messed up because he's so far on the other side of his head.

Thing is, he was like that before the hair, it's just the same shot now.

The difference is that when he was in college he used his guide hand more than he should have whereas now he shoots with his shooting hand which is closer to the proper form. Like someone else said the release is most important. Lebron James has a similar setup with his elbow sticking out but he shoots good percentages from the field and the line but Ben Wallace had a pretty setup and release but couldn't shoot for jack.

I would not consider Lebron a good shooter. He is shooting 69% from the FT line and is a below league average 3pt shooter. He is also a 35% pullup shooter. Obviously, if you got game elsewhere it doesn't matter, you can still dominate and not shoot, but Lebron does not have a good shot. He has lost playoff games because he can't shoot. Many games in fact.

I am no shot doctor, but I think Elfrid's troubles stem from taking the ball from an angle at his set point and then pushing the ball towards the rim while straightening his palm out. He sort of flicks at the ball and turns his wrist out too far. Here is a good shot of it:



He takes his middle finger from guiding the ball towards 10pm and after the shot he is pointing it towards 2pm or 3pm instead of noon. Curry does the same thing at the beginning, but his flick brings him perfectly back to 12 on release. By going too far, Elfrid a) loses momentum because he's not directing the ball straight to the rim and b) puts it off track.

All he needs to do is remember to sneak your hand in the cookie jar. Imagine the rim is a jar of cookies and you're reaching in after every shot. You focus on the middle of the rim and put your finger tips in there.

To be honest, he's also got some jacked up leg work and needs to fix that too. Or he could just stick to getting to the rim.

[anothermagicfan]

im just curious. this might need to become a new thread with some heated debates. is frank vogels hair the reason he isn't coaching better? or how about this one. is rob hennigans hair the reason he isn't gming better?

[swarlesbarkley]

im just curious. this might need to become a new thread with some heated debates. is frank vogels hair the reason he isn't coaching better? or how about this one. is rob hennigans hair the reason he isn't gming better?

I'd like to know if Ibaka would be even better if he HAD hair!

[anothermagicfan]

im just curious. this might need to become a new thread with some heated debates. is frank vogels hair the reason he isn't coaching better? or how about this one. is rob hennigans hair the reason he isn't gming better?

I'd like to know if Ibaka would be even better if he HAD hair!

I never even thought about that. His hair never touches the ball when he shoots so he should be shooting 100% right?

[Flannerz]

Maybe he should wear a hairband for a bit and see if that helps?!

[BadMofoPimp]

Elf can keep his hair and just braid it or something. Cornrows perhaps? Man Bun like Fournier?