Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[cedric76]

If Rob can find a way to get Jaylen Brown, then I will be happy. Otherwise we need to tank this season and either find a way to get Butler, or roll with whoever we get with our lottery pick.


- CamWinfree

Strong first post. Agree with it all.

I've talked with Steve Kyler from Basketball Insiders a lot, he's told me a bunch of things and I just now decided to come on here and start talking about it lol


- CamWinfree

Kyler is clueless, you wasted your time talking to this fraud

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[cedric76]

People need to stop with that pf bs. He is best at sf.

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But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

To become a below average pf?

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[cedric76]

Well, as much as people don't credit Steve Kyler, he just said he doesn't expect Ibaka to be moved by the deadline. So go figure.


- CamWinfree

Has anything Kyler said about the Magic ever come true?

Never. This insider NEVER broke a story.

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[fendilim]

People need to stop with that pf bs. He is best at sf.

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But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

To become a below average pf?

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Is he not already a below average SF? His numbers were better last year. And to think he has less plays called for him last year as a PF too.

[rusoopE]

Well, as much as people don't credit Steve Kyler, he just said he doesn't expect Ibaka to be moved by the deadline. So go figure.


- CamWinfree

Has anything Kyler said about the Magic ever come true?

No.

- Blue_and_whte

Rofl

[tiderulz]

But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

Compared to I guess someone like Wilson Chandler the #'s are not that far off, ehh maybe thats why chandler is not a starter, I mean I know Gordon is a bad shooter but he seems to be very good at defending the #3... good enough where his defense outweighs his offence. If you put him at the #4 he likely will just suck on both ends.

Draymond Greens Numbers are horrible, but he makes up for it on D

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

[pepe1991]

Draymoond Green numbers are not horrible.
He is by far best help defender in the league, he is elite rim protector , despite limited size. He is averaging 10 ppg, 8,4 rpg, 7,4 apg, 1,9 steals and 1,5 blocks per game. His TS% is not great ( 53% ) but it's still 3% higher than Gordons.
Also he has 4,9 defensive box plus minus, one of biggest in whole league, Gordon right now is defensive box plus minus negative.

This year in my eyes (and this is subjective ,unlike stats above ) went from "he can be star in this league" into "he can develop into being better defensive version of Faried "

[Blue_and_Whte]

But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

Compared to I guess someone like Wilson Chandler the #'s are not that far off, ehh maybe thats why chandler is not a starter, I mean I know Gordon is a bad shooter but he seems to be very good at defending the #3... good enough where his defense outweighs his offence. If you put him at the #4 he likely will just suck on both ends.

Draymond Greens Numbers are horrible, but he makes up for it on D

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

Me either. I'm pretty disappointed in his lack of improvement. I thought he, and to a lesser extent Mario, would have breakout seasons. The only thing that's had a breakout this season is Mario's forehead.

[Blue_and_Whte]

All in on Dennis Smith and Fultz. I think they have the potential to be like Chris Paul and Deron Williams to be impact players right away. Jackson and Issac intrigue me if both PG's are gone. Fox, Lonzo Ball, the french guy may be good...just not sold on them.

This draft has me wanting another first round pick. Can you imagine landing Smith and Bacon?

We should have a fire sell before the deadline and that includes maybe departing with Elf...whom I've been a big fan of his potential until reality set in this season.

If Boston came calling with Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson and the Brooklyn pick for Aaron Gordon, Ibaka...would anyone say no?

No. Nobody would say no. Because that's a ridiculously lopsided traded in our favor which is why Boston will never come calling with that offer. Why do you think Aaron Gordon and 4 months of Serge Ibaka get us two top 3 picks? (Brooklyn pick + Jaylen Brown). We'd be lucky to get Jaylen Brown for AG straight up.

[VFX]

People need to stop with that pf bs. He is best at sf.

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But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

To remain a below average player?

Fify

[Furinkazan]

Fultz or Smith plx

143 days to NBA draft T_T

[ButchMcRae]

Well, as much as people don't credit Steve Kyler, he just said he doesn't expect Ibaka to be moved by the deadline. So go figure.


- CamWinfree

Has anything Kyler said about the Magic ever come true?

Well....



- CamWinfree

You are following all the wrong people my friend.

[NEM]

I don't know why Evans gets all this hate. The guy seems to have some sources out there. He's broken certain stories before other outlets have. Some people just seem to like calling everyone a "fraud" for no reason. I've actually never read on here "oh yeah he's good, he has sources" about anyone.

[Edual]

But how so?

He's not a good enough dribbler, and honestly I can't see his handles improving much more than this.

He's a VERY poor shooter for the position as he's shooting 29 Percent from 3 which is putrid for a perimeter player, and his overall scoring relies on his shooting because he can barely get to the rim if at all if it isn't a cross-match up.

His percentages from different ranges.

0-5 ft: 67.8 Percent
5-9 ft: 26.8 Percent
10-14 ft: 40.0 Percent
15-19 ft: 31.4 Percent
20-24 ft: 27.7 Percent
25-29 ft: 32.1 Percent

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203932/shooting/

Those aren't shooting numbers that even scream starter for even a below average Small Forward. He needs to move back to the 4...

Compared to I guess someone like Wilson Chandler the #'s are not that far off, ehh maybe thats why chandler is not a starter, I mean I know Gordon is a bad shooter but he seems to be very good at defending the #3... good enough where his defense outweighs his offence. If you put him at the #4 he likely will just suck on both ends.

Draymond Greens Numbers are horrible, but he makes up for it on D

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

Some numbers vs all stars, I didnt go all into finding who was defending who but well if this is not good defense then what is

01/01 PG13 5 for 13 = 19 points average=22.6
01/02 Anthony 6 for 17 = 19 points average=22.9
01/06 Harden 5 for 15 = 14 points average=28.9
01/22 Durant 5 for 12 =15 points average=25.8
01/24 Butler 7 for 14 = 20 points average=24.6
01/29 Derozen 6 for 18 = 22 points average=27.8
02/01 Paul George 3 for 14 = 8 points average=22.6

Combined = 37 for 103 = 36% shooting

[Blue_and_Whte]

Fultz or Smith plx

143 days to NBA draft T_T

We damn well start committing to the tank then.

Compared to I guess someone like Wilson Chandler the #'s are not that far off, ehh maybe thats why chandler is not a starter, I mean I know Gordon is a bad shooter but he seems to be very good at defending the #3... good enough where his defense outweighs his offence. If you put him at the #4 he likely will just suck on both ends.

Draymond Greens Numbers are horrible, but he makes up for it on D

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

Some numbers vs all stars, I didnt go all into finding who was defending who but well if this is not good defense then what is

01/01 PG13 5 for 13 = 19 points average=22.6
01/02 Anthony 6 for 17 = 19 points average=22.9
01/06 Harden 5 for 15 = 14 points average=28.9
01/22 Durant 5 for 12 =15 points average=25.8
01/24 Butler 7 for 14 = 20 points average=24.6
01/29 Derozen 6 for 18 = 22 points average=27.8
02/01 Paul George 3 for 14 = 8 points average=22.6

Combined = 37 for 103 = 36% shooting

Nobody said anything about AG not being a good defensive player. The argument was that his defense covers up for his lack of offense, which would suggest he's playing ELITE level defense, which his isn't. Cherry picking stats from individual games doesn't prove otherwise.

[tiderulz]

Compared to I guess someone like Wilson Chandler the #'s are not that far off, ehh maybe thats why chandler is not a starter, I mean I know Gordon is a bad shooter but he seems to be very good at defending the #3... good enough where his defense outweighs his offence. If you put him at the #4 he likely will just suck on both ends.

Draymond Greens Numbers are horrible, but he makes up for it on D

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

Some numbers vs all stars, I didnt go all into finding who was defending who but well if this is not good defense then what is

01/01 PG13 5 for 13 = 19 points average=22.6
01/02 Anthony 6 for 17 = 19 points average=22.9
01/06 Harden 5 for 15 = 14 points average=28.9
01/22 Durant 5 for 12 =15 points average=25.8
01/24 Butler 7 for 14 = 20 points average=24.6
01/29 Derozen 6 for 18 = 22 points average=27.8
02/01 Paul George 3 for 14 = 8 points average=22.6

Combined = 37 for 103 = 36% shooting

so you dont know if Gordon was defending him or not, but you will use the stats to try and prove your point. Okay

So we had AG guard Derozen and our SG guard Toronto's SF. same with Chicago and Houston.

[Edual]

sorry, cant get behind that argument. His defense does NOT outweight his lack of offense. I havent seen any elite defense from AG this year.

Some numbers vs all stars, I didnt go all into finding who was defending who but well if this is not good defense then what is

01/01 PG13 5 for 13 = 19 points average=22.6
01/02 Anthony 6 for 17 = 19 points average=22.9
01/06 Harden 5 for 15 = 14 points average=28.9
01/22 Durant 5 for 12 =15 points average=25.8
01/24 Butler 7 for 14 = 20 points average=24.6
01/29 Derozen 6 for 18 = 22 points average=27.8
02/01 Paul George 3 for 14 = 8 points average=22.6

Combined = 37 for 103 = 36% shooting

so you dont know if Gordon was defending him or not, but you will use the stats to try and prove your point. Okay

So we had AG guard Derozen and our SG guard Toronto's SF. same with Chicago and Houston.

Im guessing you did not watch the game? AG did guard derozen minute for minute pretty much, same with Houston, chicago? you mean butler is not the SF?

[tiderulz]

Some numbers vs all stars, I didnt go all into finding who was defending who but well if this is not good defense then what is

01/01 PG13 5 for 13 = 19 points average=22.6
01/02 Anthony 6 for 17 = 19 points average=22.9
01/06 Harden 5 for 15 = 14 points average=28.9
01/22 Durant 5 for 12 =15 points average=25.8
01/24 Butler 7 for 14 = 20 points average=24.6
01/29 Derozen 6 for 18 = 22 points average=27.8
02/01 Paul George 3 for 14 = 8 points average=22.6

Combined = 37 for 103 = 36% shooting

so you dont know if Gordon was defending him or not, but you will use the stats to try and prove your point. Okay

So we had AG guard Derozen and our SG guard Toronto's SF. same with Chicago and Houston.

Im guessing you did not watch the game? AG did guard derozen minute for minute pretty much, same with Houston, chicago? you mean butler is not the SF?

you read the underlined, which is what you wrote? and i didnt say he didnt play good defense, i said i havent seen this "elite" defense people say he plays.

[Edual]

so you dont know if Gordon was defending him or not, but you will use the stats to try and prove your point. Okay

So we had AG guard Derozen and our SG guard Toronto's SF. same with Chicago and Houston.

Im guessing you did not watch the game? AG did guard derozen minute for minute pretty much, same with Houston, chicago? you mean butler is not the SF?

you read the underlined, which is what you wrote? and i didnt say he didnt play good defense, i said i havent seen this "elite" defense people say he plays.

If you watch Magic games you will notice AG defends the opposing teams best wings.
I did not cherry pick stats... what I did was look up big name(or all stars whatever) wings and looked at those stats only.

"I didnt go all into finding who was defending who" I put that in because well I did not look up who actually defended him but am almost positive it was AG.

What is Elite D? Does Holding Harden who plays PG to 14 points counts?

I mean the stats I posted look Elite enough to me, what am I missing?

[CamWinfree]

I don't know why Evans gets all this hate. The guy seems to have some sources out there. He's broken certain stories before other outlets have. Some people just seem to like calling everyone a "fraud" for no reason. I've actually never read on here "oh yeah he's good, he has sources" about anyone.

Yup, I agree with this 100%. Dude actually breaks stories unlike Steve.


- CamWinfree