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Post#341 » by doordoor123 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 2:13 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Ball was super active tonight on defense. There was a good 3-4 shots Fultz had to abandon mid way through because of the pressure Ball put on. Had to have had somewhere around 10 tipped passes. Great game for him today.


Seems like dude goes out to gradually answer questions about his game. Shooting more going right, floaters, getting the midrange off, form on his free throw looks cleaner, more active on defense, and more take over.

It's like he reads the boards and says "OK, I'll show you that next game"

He is still painful to watch finishing at the rim, so awkward, he's no fluid at all.


As I've been saying. Always be aware of personality when scouting. Ball is the kind of guy that will focus on his mistakes. In terms of his fluidity, I don't think he knows how to use his athleticism. He's a guy that learned to be a point guard and pass the ball, not a dunker or finesse player. A lot of guys at that age don't know how to use their athleticism properly. I personally would like Ball to be more aggressive on the glass. Could totally get put-backs if he knew how.
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Post#342 » by cksdayoff » Mon Feb 6, 2017 3:50 pm

I find Ball to be pretty fluid athlete.
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Post#343 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Feb 6, 2017 4:47 pm

I think he's cemented a Top 5 pick, only question is which team will be looking for a pure PG at the top.

He doesn't look graceful, but is reasonably athletic IMO. He actually kinda looks like he's still growing into his body. If you watch Chino Hills basketball highlights (cherry picks, lob passes, no defense, etc.), there was definitely a significant transition to regular Division I basketball and he has done it well.
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Post#344 » by PLO » Mon Feb 6, 2017 5:17 pm

Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.
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Post#345 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 6, 2017 5:33 pm

PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.


I wouldn't either. I know some Philly fans love him for his IQ and shooting but I'm not sure that's a great fit for everything he does.

I think Phoenix, is optimal. Dallas could work. Wasn't seeing it at first but my eyes have been opened to keeping him home in LA as well if D-Lo moves to the two and they can clear the logjam with the other guards.
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Post#346 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Feb 6, 2017 7:46 pm

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PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.


I wouldn't either. I know some Philly fans love him for his IQ and shooting but I'm not sure that's a great fit for everything he does.

I think Phoenix, is optimal. Dallas could work. Wasn't seeing it at first but my eyes have been opened to keeping him home in LA as well if D-Lo moves to the two and they can clear the logjam with the other guards.


What if Sixers got lucky with their own lottery pick, knocking Lakers out of Top 3 at the same time? I was thinking that they could draft a wing scorer to go along with Ball. With all that young talent, a pure PG like Ball might work well to maximize their team play. For sure they would be a lot of fun to watch.

It's amazing to think that this is not a far-fetched scenario at all, in addition to still waiting for Ben Simmons to finally play.

I think the Lakers will ultimately need to take BPA on their board, whoever that may be.
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Post#347 » by jrob23 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 7:54 pm

PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.


He'd have great finishers and scorers around him in Simmons, Saric and Embid. He would help spread the floor with this 3 ball and not need to be high usage to affect the game like Fultz and DSJ. He's the perfect fit for you actually
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Post#348 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 6, 2017 8:10 pm

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PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.


I wouldn't either. I know some Philly fans love him for his IQ and shooting but I'm not sure that's a great fit for everything he does.

I think Phoenix, is optimal. Dallas could work. Wasn't seeing it at first but my eyes have been opened to keeping him home in LA as well if D-Lo moves to the two and they can clear the logjam with the other guards.


What if Sixers got lucky with their own lottery pick, knocking Lakers out of Top 3 at the same time? I was thinking that they could draft a wing scorer to go along with Ball. With all that young talent, a pure PG like Ball might work well to maximize their team play. For sure they would be a lot of fun to watch.

It's amazing to think that this is not a far-fetched scenario at all, in addition to still waiting for Ben Simmons to finally play.

I think the Lakers will ultimately need to take BPA on their board, whoever that may be.


they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.
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Post#349 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 8:45 pm

PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.


I think Phoenix is easily the best fit for him. Already plays at one of the fastest paces in the league, has young shooters at every position. I think it would be a perfect fit.

I think LA and Walton could really use a guy like Ball. Watching LA right now one thing is pretty obvious their ball movement kind of sucks, especially from their guards. Clarkson, Lou and Young are all gunners who basically always shoot when they get the ball and Russell also kind of looks for his own shot first. Getting rid of some of those guys and bringing in Ball would be great for the team in my opinion and Walton knows how to run a fast pace free flowing system.

He definitely has the skillset where he can be productive in any scheme. But if you want to maximize his impact, I think those two teams can give Ball his best chance.
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Post#350 » by Arsenal » Mon Feb 6, 2017 8:48 pm

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I wouldn't either. I know some Philly fans love him for his IQ and shooting but I'm not sure that's a great fit for everything he does.

I think Phoenix, is optimal. Dallas could work. Wasn't seeing it at first but my eyes have been opened to keeping him home in LA as well if D-Lo moves to the two and they can clear the logjam with the other guards.


What if Sixers got lucky with their own lottery pick, knocking Lakers out of Top 3 at the same time? I was thinking that they could draft a wing scorer to go along with Ball. With all that young talent, a pure PG like Ball might work well to maximize their team play. For sure they would be a lot of fun to watch.

It's amazing to think that this is not a far-fetched scenario at all, in addition to still waiting for Ben Simmons to finally play.

I think the Lakers will ultimately need to take BPA on their board, whoever that may be.


they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.
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Post#351 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 6, 2017 8:53 pm

PLO wrote:Where's his best fit of teams with the potential to finish with a top 7 pick? I don't really like him for the 6ers.

Orlando, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Miami and Milwaukee are the best 5, since the difference between teams is so small any scenario is realistic so, who knows.

The only one I truly dont like for him is, other than Portland for obvious reasons, New Orleans and Dallas, he will have to carry a much bigger load than he can, especially for the Pels.
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Post#352 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 6, 2017 9:27 pm

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What if Sixers got lucky with their own lottery pick, knocking Lakers out of Top 3 at the same time? I was thinking that they could draft a wing scorer to go along with Ball. With all that young talent, a pure PG like Ball might work well to maximize their team play. For sure they would be a lot of fun to watch.

It's amazing to think that this is not a far-fetched scenario at all, in addition to still waiting for Ben Simmons to finally play.

I think the Lakers will ultimately need to take BPA on their board, whoever that may be.


they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


I guess I need to see how Ben Simmons fits in the system. I know Ben is a pass first guy but he can dribble the air out of the ball a bit before making his decision at times. I would think if the ball should die anywhere it should be with JoJo. I don't deny Lonzo's ability to fit in with them surface wise because he checks all the boxes (willing passer, thrives with low usage, stretches the floor, good with catch and shoot) just wonder about maximizing all three player's abilities.

Offense should run through Jo. Ben without a proven jumper (which could be there by the time he steps on the court) needs the ball to be effective, needs to be involved in decision making, Lonzo fits the same mold, also we don't what either one looks like playing with a post presence like Jo. I'm sure Jo can still be very good hitting jumpers and catching lobs but I think that's a take away to regulate him to that. Same with making Lonzo a spot up shooter if he's not the primary decision maker on the floor. Same goes for Ben.

Like I said maybe I should reserve this for when Ben hits the floor and we can see how he works in the system. I just have concerns about using all three to their fullest capabilities. I personally don't think it's as easy as just pouring individually great ingredients into a pot and think the mixture will taste equally as good.
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Post#353 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:39 pm

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What if Sixers got lucky with their own lottery pick, knocking Lakers out of Top 3 at the same time? I was thinking that they could draft a wing scorer to go along with Ball. With all that young talent, a pure PG like Ball might work well to maximize their team play. For sure they would be a lot of fun to watch.

It's amazing to think that this is not a far-fetched scenario at all, in addition to still waiting for Ben Simmons to finally play.

I think the Lakers will ultimately need to take BPA on their board, whoever that may be.


they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.
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Post#354 » by Arsenal » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:52 pm

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they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


What you just described is much more of an issue with Fultz, Smith, or the other PG's than with Ball. Ball is really good as an offball player who can stretch the defense. He's a good cutter who can finish alley-oops at the rim. The ball doesn't stick in his hands, he keeps it moving quickly. He can play off-ball for 15 mins and be the primary initiator for 15 mins when Simmons is on the bench.

Lonzo Ball is a better fit for the Sixers than the other PG's in this draft.
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Post#355 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:58 pm

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Arsenal wrote:
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they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


if they don't already think so people are going to start to believe we're the same poster.

Until we see Ben showcase proficiency off the ball its a tough sell for me to add another guy that forces Ben out of the facilitation role. If I'm Philly I want to maximize Simmons as much as I can and I think the ball needs to be in his hands to do so. Now if this rumored jumper is real then we're dealing with a completely different animal. I just need to see it first.
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Post#356 » by jrob23 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:06 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
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they could. Lonzo could work in just about any system with his skillset. I just think maximizing what he can do would be better suited with him being the primary distributor. Or in a system where the ball is in constant motion.


I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


how could you even know this? Based on one season on a bad team playing in college where he didn't want to be. Fanboys and haters have one thing in common when it comes to Simmons. We really have no idea what he's going to play like in the NBA. All I know is he's extremely talented with great size, passing and BBIQ. Shot may or may not develop. Heck, it might be a strength by now seeing is that's probably all he's been doing for months.
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Post#357 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:07 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


if they don't already think so people are going to start to believe we're the same poster.

Until we see Ben showcase proficiency off the ball its a tough sell for me to add another guy that forces Ben out of the facilitation role. If I'm Philly I want to maximize Simmons as much as I can and I think the ball needs to be in his hands to do so. Now if this rumored jumper is real then we're dealing with a completely different animal. I just need to see it first.


Agreed, if he all of a sudden is a knock down shooter from 18-20ft then I think you dont have to have him on the ball as much. I also hope this hype for a jumper isnt coming just from shoot around and stuff like that. Watch Lebron James in a shoot around and that dude rarely misses. Most NBA players rarely miss in a shoot around.

Im with you, if im Philly I think you would want to maximize Simmons potential. To do that you need to put the ball in his hands and let him run the offense and facilitate. Luckily his game and Embiid's game go together so you can maximize both of their games at the same time.
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Post#358 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:20 pm

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Arsenal wrote:
I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


how could you even know this? Based on one season on a bad team playing in college where he didn't want to be. Fanboys and haters have one thing in common when it comes to Simmons. We really have no idea what he's going to play like in the NBA. All I know is he's extremely talented with great size, passing and BBIQ. Shot may or may not develop. Heck, it might be a strength by now seeing is that's probably all he's been doing for months.


No im not basing this off of one season. Im basing this off his one year in college and all his previous years in high school. Here is a scouting report from when he was 15

Weaknesses:
-Limited offensively in the half-court
-Average ball-handler
-Poor outside shooter
-Very unconventional shooting mechanics
-No post moves
-Somewhat passive at times

Another scouting report the summer prior to his college season

The main area where Simmons still has quite a bit of room for growth is as a shooter. Although he does get solid rotation on the ball and has some natural touch, Simmons' shooting mechanics aren't ideal, as he sports a fairly slow windup and involved his ring and pinky finger too much on his release. The Aussie did knock down a couple of mid-rage jumpers and banked in a three, but his jumper still remains his biggest question mark moving forward.

Given his inconsistencies as a shooter at this stage of his development, Simmons is best as a playmaking power forward who would thrive in a system where he's able to handle the ball and create for his teammates.

Another scouting report after his college season

Opponents were able to neutralize him very effectively in the half-court as the season moved on, simply backing five feet off him. Simmons would respond by getting very passive in turn, looking very conscious about firing up jumpers, even late in games when his team desperately needed him to be aggressive. To reach his full potential and effectively be paired with other players, Simmons will likely either need to significantly improve his jumper, or be surrounded by plenty of shooters at all times as a primary ball-handler.

So its not like Simmons was always considered a good shooter and just had a bad shooting year at LSU. His shooting has always been his biggest question mark going all the way back to when he was 15. And its not like he has shown a ton of potential with his jumper either, people tend to look at FT% and shooting form as good indications as shooting potential for a bad shooter. He has always been a bad FT shooter and his form still isnt pretty. Ive followed Simmons for a long time, he is at his best when he has the ball in his hands, his impact has always greatly dropped the second he doesnt have the ball in his hands. I also dont expect a guy that had 0 jumper for basically his entire life to all of a sudden be this legit shooter against NBA opponents right away. If he is going to become a legit shooting threat I dont expect that to happen for quite a long time.
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Re: Lonzo Ball 

Post#359 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:24 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


What you just described is much more of an issue with Fultz, Smith, or the other PG's than with Ball. Ball is really good as an offball player who can stretch the defense. He's a good cutter who can finish alley-oops at the rim. The ball doesn't stick in his hands, he keeps it moving quickly. He can play off-ball for 15 mins and be the primary initiator for 15 mins when Simmons is on the bench.

Lonzo Ball is a better fit for the Sixers than the other PG's in this draft.


I think Fultz is the better fit especially with his improved jumper. Fultz has much more of a scorer mentality than Ball. I think you need to surround Simmons and Embiid with scorers. Again im in the minority where I think in the long run Jackson might be the best fit for Philly. I dont think Philly should draft a PG this high in this draft. Ideally the PG you get for Philly is a Patrick Beverly type of a hard nose defender and offensively he doesnt need the ball but can hit the spot up 3.
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Re: Lonzo Ball 

Post#360 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:28 pm

Arsenal wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I'm not sure where this misconception about the Sixers comes in, but they are 100% trying to build a system based on constant ball movement. Lonzo Ball would be an amazing fit with them. He plays exactly the way Brett Brown wants to play.


The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.


What you just described is much more of an issue with Fultz, Smith, or the other PG's than with Ball. Ball is really good as an offball player who can stretch the defense. He's a good cutter who can finish alley-oops at the rim. The ball doesn't stick in his hands, he keeps it moving quickly. He can play off-ball for 15 mins and be the primary initiator for 15 mins when Simmons is on the bench.

Lonzo Ball is a better fit for the Sixers than the other PG's in this draft.


Nope. What he described is the issue with Simmons. This goes back to what was brought up in another a thread. This may or may not apply to you but I don't think people are very familiar with a lot of the kids in this class. they aren't getting a real full representation of what Fultz can do because he chose to stick with Washington. Fultz gives you the Kyrie to your Lebron in the sense that you have another scoring threat that can also give you catch and shoot. A guy that attacks with the mindset and capability to EITHER score or dish. He's also equally effective without being the main guy. Its the reason anybody even knew who the kid was before the season started. Its how he got his draft buzz to begin with. He stood out on a team full of talent where he was the SECOND leading scorer and he played an all-around game. The situation he's in is just showing another comfort zone for him.

Lonzo looks to pass first, second, and third. Hit the catch and shoot when it's there. I get the whole 15 on 15 off thing but who's sitting when it's crunch time? if both are out there who's forced out of their comfort zone to create and finish their own looks? Fultz gives you something you'll need whilst not taking away from the full strengths of Ben.

As down as some of the Philly fans are on the idea of Fultz meshing he's the only one in the conversation of Simmons, Ball, and Embiid that we've seen outside of being showcased as "the guy".

Ben had the SL team to himself and the only other time he hasn't been the guy since his buzz started was D-Lo's senior year at Verde and his skillset was hidden because of it.

JoJo has had the team since pre-season and the last time he had a team with another high profile guy he overshadowed Wiggins to the point an injury was the only thing that put Drew back in number 1 conversation.

Lonzo helped get the entire nation to look at a public high school in California and then transitioned that into bringing UCLA success and attention they haven't had since the O'Bannons (don't even bring up Kyle Anderson's team).

I understand liking Lonzo more I just think FIT wise Fultz makes more sense. Gives you what you need without taking away from what you have.
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