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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 2: End This Knightmare! 

Post#1901 » by King4Day » Mon Feb 6, 2017 1:59 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Would you guys do Bledsoe for Monroe and the Bucks 2017 1st unprotected, and 2021 1st unprotected? I highly doubt it matters that it's unprotected since Giannis and Parker are both under 23 and Middleton is only 25.
Not sure I would do it for the Suns.


Prob not. The 2021 1st will likely be in the 20's. Bledsoe is too valuable right now. I think we can get more for him in the summer or next season if we were looking to get rid of him. If we win the lottery and get Fultz, for example, I could see us going in the direction of trading him eventually.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 2: End This Knightmare! 

Post#1902 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Feb 6, 2017 3:21 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Would you guys do Bledsoe for Monroe and the Bucks 2017 1st unprotected, and 2021 1st unprotected? I highly doubt it matters that it's unprotected since Giannis and Parker are both under 23 and Middleton is only 25.
Not sure I would do it for the Suns.


Monroe could be had right now pretty cheaply, and those will be late first round picks. This is not the stage we are at in the rebuild. We have assets. We need to turn those assets into good players. We should not be trying to turn good players into assets unless they are REALLY good ones.
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Post#1903 » by jeff2020 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 4:11 pm

At some point the Suns are going to have to answer the question whether we are rebuilding or trying to contend. If it is rebuilding then Bledsoe, Chandler and Tucker all have to go with the value never being higher than it is right now. There is no point having Bledsoe on a rebuilding team at his peak when we are trying to develop younger players. Same goes for Tucker and Chandler. Bender and Chriss won't be ready to really contribute to a winning team for another 2-3 years and Booker is a year or so away as well. If we do go after Boogie then keep Chandler, Tucker and Bled. This trade deadline is huge for the direction of this franchise. I am fine with either as long as we go after it hard one way or the other.
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Post#1904 » by Saberestar » Mon Feb 6, 2017 4:26 pm

jeff2020 wrote:At some point the Suns are going to have to answer the question whether we are rebuilding or trying to contend. If it is rebuilding then Bledsoe, Chandler and Tucker all have to go with the value never being higher than it is right now. There is no point having Bledsoe on a rebuilding team at his peak when we are trying to develop younger players. Same goes for Tucker and Chandler. Bender and Chriss won't be ready to really contribute to a winning team for another 2-3 years and Booker is a year or so away as well. If we do go after Boogie then keep Chandler, Tucker and Bled. This trade deadline is huge for the direction of this franchise. I am fine with either as long as we go after it hard one way or the other.

It is pretty clear that we are rebuilding but we have to play those veteran guys because we do not want to lose 160-50 every game. Just that.
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Post#1905 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Feb 6, 2017 4:50 pm

jeff2020 wrote:At some point the Suns are going to have to answer the question whether we are rebuilding or trying to contend. If it is rebuilding then Bledsoe, Chandler and Tucker all have to go with the value never being higher than it is right now. There is no point having Bledsoe on a rebuilding team at his peak when we are trying to develop younger players. Same goes for Tucker and Chandler. Bender and Chriss won't be ready to really contribute to a winning team for another 2-3 years and Booker is a year or so away as well. If we do go after Boogie then keep Chandler, Tucker and Bled. This trade deadline is huge for the direction of this franchise. I am fine with either as long as we go after it hard one way or the other.


Of course we are rebuilding. How else can you explain the minutes this year given to Marquese Chriss and Brandon Knight? We also stuck with Booker when he was loosing games for us in November and December.
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Post#1906 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Feb 6, 2017 4:52 pm

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jeff2020 wrote:At some point the Suns are going to have to answer the question whether we are rebuilding or trying to contend. If it is rebuilding then Bledsoe, Chandler and Tucker all have to go with the value never being higher than it is right now. There is no point having Bledsoe on a rebuilding team at his peak when we are trying to develop younger players. Same goes for Tucker and Chandler. Bender and Chriss won't be ready to really contribute to a winning team for another 2-3 years and Booker is a year or so away as well. If we do go after Boogie then keep Chandler, Tucker and Bled. This trade deadline is huge for the direction of this franchise. I am fine with either as long as we go after it hard one way or the other.

It is pretty clear that we are rebuilding but we have to play those veteran guys because we do not want to lose 160-50 every game. Just that.


We think alike. It is an entertainment industry. You have to at least TRY to win a few games. McD said that if trades are made at the deadline, it will be to "skew younger." That is rebuilding.
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Post#1907 » by ATTL » Mon Feb 6, 2017 5:57 pm

We have the second worst record in the league more than half way through the season. We shouldn't even consider "going for it", it can't be an option for us.
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Post#1908 » by carey » Mon Feb 6, 2017 8:41 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Would you guys do Bledsoe for Monroe and the Bucks 2017 1st unprotected, and 2021 1st unprotected? I highly doubt it matters that it's unprotected since Giannis and Parker are both under 23 and Middleton is only 25.
Not sure I would do it for the Suns.


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Post#1909 » by King4Day » Mon Feb 6, 2017 9:58 pm

Read on Twitter


"Philadelphia and New Orleans engaging in talks focused on a trade for 76ers center Jahlil Okafor, league sources tell @TheVertical"

Sounds like it'd be for Ajinca and a future first.
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Post#1910 » by King4Day » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:02 pm

Read on Twitter


"New Orleans has been engaged on several fronts to land a center, including pursuit of Brooklyn's Brook Lopez, sources tell @TheVertical."

Guess the Nets wanted more. Can't blame them. If I'm them, I'd need to be assured it's a top 10 pick to pull the trigger on that.
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Post#1911 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:03 pm

Suns should trade Alex Len to New Orleans for that pick.


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Post#1912 » by NTB » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:04 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns should trade Alex Len to New Orleans for that pick.


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Alex Len and Brook Lopez. There is a big difference :D
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Post#1913 » by DirtyDez » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:26 pm

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DirtyDez wrote:Jabari has significantly more value than Bledsoe. I'd love to get him in PHX though.


Could not disagree more.



And you're allowed to.


But Parker is significantly younger, putting up borderline star numbers already and could only get better sooner. So there are people out there, many people too, who can feel justified in feeling that Parker is worth more than Bledsoe.


You're not even factoring in the contract situations. I don't see how it's even close... Jabari looks more athletic than he did pre-ACL.
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Post#1914 » by m1chal » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:46 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns should trade Alex Len to New Orleans for that pick.


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Alex Len and Brook Lopez. There is a big difference :D


Not that big, just 1''. Alex is 7.1 while Brook 7.0. You get more getting Alex! :-D
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Post#1915 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:49 pm

I can't see how anyone can think Parker isn't worth more than Bledsoe.
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Post#1916 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:48 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns should trade Alex Len to New Orleans for that pick.


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Alex Len and Brook Lopez. There is a big difference :D


Oh yes there is. I was more comparing him with Okafor.


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Post#1917 » by TASTIC » Tue Feb 7, 2017 12:07 am

Ok I went full tear-down on my lunch-break. I'll be the first to admit I know these mega deals NEVER happen, but I was bored and wanted to try and make at least a solid attempt at making an even rosterbation.

Literally the only vet I kept was Jared Dudley...because I don't think he has that much value (yet) and he might eventually transition into a front office role.

Chandler, PJ, Bledsoe, Knight, Barbosa, Len are all gone to help teams in the playoff hunt. The youngsters ALL stay besides Len, because I don't want to pay him $80m over 5, which is what he'll want.

So my thinking is:

Bledsoe's value will NEVER be higher. His knee(s) could disintegrate tomorrow and nobody would be surprised, we would be surprised, however, if he averaged more than 75 games played over the next 3-4 years (ie his prime).

Ditto for PJ, fresh off a 7 steal effort, his value (both on the court and financially) will never be higher for a team needing a veteran 3 & D specialist who can literally guard 5 positions for stretches. He's played with so much heart and fire, he deserves a winning situation.

Chandler is far from an albatross contract. Sure, he can't jump over a phone-book anymore and his rim protection leaves a lot to be desired, but put him on that Blazers team and he makes them instantly better with his experience and rebounding.

Knight just needs some minutes, but not in the desert. Put him on Brooklyn and maybe he plays 1.5 seasons there putting up 16-4-5 and they can flip him for a 1st, lord knows they need backcourt help and picks.

Barbosa and Len land in Boston where they can help with bench scoring & leadership (Barbs) and rebounding and rim protection (Len, duh). I like the pairing of Len/Horford to be honest, put Crowder there too and that's a really solid front-court rotation with Brown and Olynyk off the bench. McConnell would be a cult icon in Boston as well, they'd love him off the bench.

I actually don't mind BLopez in CHI, but the issue is playing the two bros together as both are slower than drying paint. BUT, BroLo helps their outside shooting a lot, so maybe he's 6th man like OKC does with Kanter for example, and his job is to just shoot and score efficiently, which he's proven he can do.

So the pieces coming IN...I really like the idea of a younger, stronger version of Bledsoe next to Booker. Smart fits better in terms of age and he's played a lot more off the ball, which allows Booker to create more like he did towards the end of last season.

Noel is a crap-shoot, he could be the athletic, rebounding shot-blocker we need, but then I'm not certain if I'd want to give him $18m a season. He does have DPOY potential and I love the pairing with Chriss up front, spacing might be an issue though.

Mirotic is an expiring and slots into that Teletovic gunner off the bench role, we might even be able to get him to stay at a discount.

Taj Gibson you'd ideally flip for a late 1st/2nd rd pick to a contender that could use him, he'd be perfect for OKC or the Raptors.

Aminu again is relatively young still, relatively cheap, plays defence first and is an ideal backup 3/4 to fit that PJ role off the bench. He still has upside too.

Jerebko is an expiring, either waive him or see if you can flip him again for a 2nd.

Sergio is another expiring, but as a pass-first vet I'd let him finish the rest of the season as a leader off the bench.

In terms of picks...We get a future 1st from Philly as they're landing the best player in the deal, it'd need to be protected though. I think the pieces going out/in for each team are relatively even, maybe CHI need to send a protected 1st to BRK for Lopez.

So we have our 1st next season and both MIA picks. Nothing flashy like future 1sts coming in, but also none going out either.

So the team to end the season SCREAMS tank and really, why the hell not. A complete tear-down has been on the cards for 2-3yr now and only the Bled/Dragic lightning in a bottle held it up.

Noel / Bender / Williams
Chriss / Mirotic
Warren / Aminu / Dudley
Booker / DJones? We'd need an FA here til the end of the season...Jenkins?
Smart / Sergio / Ulis

I'd probably keep Price round too so he can be a positive voice in the locker-room.

Here's the breakdowns:

Suns in: Nerlens Noel, Marcus Smart, Al-Farouq Aminu, Jonas Jerebko, Sergio Rodriguez, Nikola Mirotic, Taj Gibson, PHI 1st rd pick.

76ers in: Eric Bledsoe, Meyers Leonard.

Blazers in: Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker.

Celtics in: Alex Len, Leandro Barbosa, TJ McConnell.

Nets in: MCW, Brandon Knight, CHI 1st rd pick (protected)

Bulls in: Brook Lopez

Build through this stacked draft, adding defensive minded guys (Smart, Noel, Aminu) to the offensive minded core (Booker, Warren - I'm not sure he's in the core, but TJ can score at least).

Hope that you get lucky in FA and land some impact guys - but they CANNOT speed this tear-down up, this is with the eye on really running the table in the 2018 draft with ours and MIA's picks.

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Post#1918 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 7, 2017 12:21 am

^^
Monster trade. I would like to add Smart and Noel, I like their defense. But I do not like anyone else, too much meh players arriving to the Suns.

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Post#1919 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:08 am

Lopez is a much better fit than Okafor to pair with Davis.

Especially if it's only 1 first rounder the difference.
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Post#1920 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 7, 2017 2:45 am

Lebron wants the Cavaliers FO to trade Love for Melo which bails out Phil Jackson. Unbelievable.

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