Harden takes flopping to a new level while mating with MCW

[CP300 lbs]

He does, they all do.

Blanket statement. Not every player flops. Show me proof of Klay flopping. Thompson has the minutes played to have a lot of plays recorded.

Yes, everyone does to some extent. You can't find videos of every player doing it but to some extent they all do.

You're just generalizing. I guess everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

Shrugs

[K_chile22]

9 pages and counting huh? All the outrage. Harden jumps on a guy's back and it's his fault the ref didn't call a foul on him?

And sorry this won't disqualify him from winning the MVP. When he has another 40 or 50 point triple double all will be forgotten/forgiven. I love how a handful of people take one play from a game and say this can't be the MVP and he is so hard to watch right after he drops 42 points, 12 rebounds, and 9 assists in a game they looked certain to lose. Yeah that guy is hard to watch.

I'm sorry, but this is not coming from a single play. I don't watch the rockets that much (15-20 games a year), but it seems to happen quite regularly. Let's not fool ourselves, it's not overreaction over one single play, dude just can't stay honest to the game.

If it happened regularly there wouldn't be a thread about it

Or there would be one, regularly

[JohnnyKILLroy]

If I were an NBA player I would call him out and try to beat him up. I find it amazing the restraint everyone has when it comes to Harden.

[DubsPhilosophy]

He does, they all do.

Blanket statement. Not every player flops. Show me proof of Klay flopping. Thompson has the minutes played to have a lot of plays recorded.

Yes, everyone does to some extent. You can't find videos of every player doing it but to some extent they all do.

No, no, no. Klay Thompson has NEVER flopped in an NBA game. He's entirely too focused on shooting to flop.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Blanket statement. Not every player flops. Show me proof of Klay flopping. Thompson has the minutes played to have a lot of plays recorded.

Yes, everyone does to some extent. You can't find videos of every player doing it but to some extent they all do.

No, no, no. Klay Thompson has NEVER flopped in an NBA game. He's entirely too focused on shooting to flop.

I can't remember Klay ever flopping. Green flops all the time, though.

The Warriors never really flopped under Mark Jackson. Under Steve Kerr? Different story.


Flopping and the fact that the NBA does nothing about it makes the games far less enjoyable to watch.

[bondom34]

Blanket statement. Not every player flops. Show me proof of Klay flopping. Thompson has the minutes played to have a lot of plays recorded.

Yes, everyone does to some extent. You can't find videos of every player doing it but to some extent they all do.

No, no, no. Klay Thompson has NEVER flopped in an NBA game. He's entirely too focused on shooting to flop.

Yes yes yes. Klay has certainly embellished calls

[ThatBoyNick]

Am I loosing my mind or are all of you nutsjobs going off a about a OVER THE BACK foul and calling it a flop?

How in the hell anyone can even come close to the idea that the play was a flop is beyond me. Clearly a over the back, or a undercut by MCW, either way you see it, NOT a flop.

But... A whole bunch of people in the thread are screaming its a blatant horrible flop and totally trashing Harden about flopping on a play that isn't a flop. Lol

[DNP - Old]

9 pages and counting huh? All the outrage. Harden jumps on a guy's back and it's his fault the ref didn't call a foul on him?

And sorry this won't disqualify him from winning the MVP. When he has another 40 or 50 point triple double all will be forgotten/forgiven. I love how a handful of people take one play from a game and say this can't be the MVP and he is so hard to watch right after he drops 42 points, 12 rebounds, and 9 assists in a game they looked certain to lose. Yeah that guy is hard to watch.

I'm sorry, but this is not coming from a single play. I don't watch the rockets that much (15-20 games a year), but it seems to happen quite regularly. Let's not fool ourselves, it's not overreaction over one single play, dude just can't stay honest to the game.

If it happened regularly there wouldn't be a thread about it

Or there would be one, regularly

Yes, It's not as if he had already established himself as the most obnoxious flopper in the league. It must be something unusual.

[ThatBoyNick]

Yes, It's not as if he had already established himself as the most obnoxious flopper in the league. It must be something unusual.

Except he hasn't established himself as "the most obnoxious flopper in the league", that's not a real thing, there is no obnoxious flop count stat nor a voting system on how obnoxious a flop is. It's just your own exaggerated hateful opinion of Harden.

In fact, he didn't even flop in that video and this whole thread is about a over the back foul. Some how...almost no one noticed that but proceeded to have a Harden hate orgy and to roast him over a disgusting horrible .... Over the back foul that is in no way a flop.

[Roy The Natural]

If you can lay on someone's back and get the call in your favor then the NBA is a joke. The refs should not allow this crap.

Seriously, this is exactly like the Dellavedova horseback rides, should be a flagrant 1.

People are missing that the foul that got called took place before Harden jumped on his back, so he wasn't rewarded for jumping on his back, but I agree that he should've gotten a flagrant after the foul on MCW was called. Unnecessary.

Sure... I'm cool with that. Call a foul on MCW and a Flagrant on Harden. Or at a minimum Harden deserved a tech there.

omg delusional rockets fans in this thread trying to rationalize this nonsense

I'm in no way rationalizing it, I said Harden should've gotten a flagrant. I'm just saying the foul wasn't for the jump.

The Jrue one was completely different. Harden jumped on his back because Jrue backed up into him, in the MCW case Harden jumped on MCW, causing MCW to go backwards. One is a foul on Jrue, the other a flagrant on Harden

Really doesn't matter all that much, both were flagrants, and both should have been called as such regardless of the circumstance.

[GimmeDat]

Wait, Rockets fans have actually been defending this play?

Whether it falls in to the definition of a flop or not, it's a ridiculous play done to try and exploit the rules of the game, and it's crazy the refs penalized MCW for Hardens antics here, especially given the context of the game (late, close game, MCW fouls out while having a great game, etc).

This is not a basketball play.

[Roy The Natural]

Wait, Rockets fans have actually been defending this play?

Whether it falls in to the definition of a flop or not, it's a ridiculous play done to try and exploit the rules of the game, and it's crazy the refs penalized MCW for Hardens antics here, especially given the context of the game (late, close game, MCW fouls out while having a great game, etc).

This is not a basketball play.

It's a flagrant foul, plain and simple. There is no reasonable defense.

[ThatBoyNick]

Wait, Rockets fans have actually been defending this play?

Whether it falls in to the definition of a flop or not, it's a ridiculous play done to try and exploit the rules of the game, and it's crazy the refs penalized MCW for Hardens antics here, especially given the context of the game (late, close game, MCW fouls out while having a great game, etc).

This is not a basketball play.

I don't think anybody is arguing that the over the back foul wasn't a foul.

It's not really a ridiculous play, its a over the back foul that was miscalled by the refs. From my view it looks like Harden was annoyed at how hard MCW was backing into him so he decided to jump up and let him self get undercutted which led to him letting him self fall on MCW's back (the over the back foul).

The whole ridiculous call, disgusting flop, not a basketball play, shame on Harden narrative is being beyond exaggerated. It's just a miscalled over the back foul. Nothing more, nothing less. But because this is Harden it's a topic, is a NBA destroying flop somehow.

[JackZZ]

The way i see it, MCW didn't move back at all. He bent down a bit, spread his legs with knee bent to establish position (pay attention to the video, MCW didn't move backward at all before Harden mounted him. Harden just jumped on top of him, pushed MCW further down to ground and backward.
If the little guys climbing on big men while they are attempting to box out for rebound can be easily defined as flagrant, then this should be flagrant on Harden too. He could have hurt MCW's back/spine.

[DNP - Old]

Yes, It's not as if he had already established himself as the most obnoxious flopper in the league. It must be something unusual.

Except he hasn't established himself as "the most obnoxious flopper in the league", that's not a real thing, there is no obnoxious flop count stat nor a voting system on how obnoxious a flop is. It's just your own exaggerated hateful opinion of Harden.

In fact, he didn't even flop in that video and this whole thread is about a over the back foul. Some how...almost no one noticed that but proceeded to have a Harden hate orgy and to roast him over a disgusting horrible .... Over the back foul that is in no way a flop.

Is this a discussion about semantics? K, let's abandon the term 'flop', how should we label it? 'Dishonest action to get a foul called on the opposing player'?

Okey, since there is obnoxious flop count stat, let's start a poll. Let's see where Harden ranks in the list of top floppers around these boards. Let's see if my own exaggerated hateful opinion is accurate or not.

Btw, I'm no hater at all, I like watching Houston, I like MDA and wish him the best luck.

[GimmeDat]

Wait, Rockets fans have actually been defending this play?

Whether it falls in to the definition of a flop or not, it's a ridiculous play done to try and exploit the rules of the game, and it's crazy the refs penalized MCW for Hardens antics here, especially given the context of the game (late, close game, MCW fouls out while having a great game, etc).

This is not a basketball play.

I don't think anybody is arguing that the over the back foul wasn't a foul.

It's not really a ridiculous play, its a over the back foul that was miscalled by the refs. From my view it looks like Harden was annoyed at how hard MCW was backing into him so he decided to jump up and let him self get undercutted which led to him letting him self fall on MCW's back (the over the back foul).

The whole ridiculous call, disgusting flop, not a basketball play, shame on Harden narrative is being beyond exaggerated. It's just a miscalled over the back foul. Nothing more, nothing less. But because this is Harden it's a topic, is a NBA destroying flop somehow.

But it's not as simple as an over the back. If someones going for a rebound and they happen to jump over the back of someone, that's a basketball play. When MCW's just holding his ground in the middle of the play, there is no logical reason for Harden to go over MCW's back. He consciously mounted him. It wasn't a natural basketball action.

[KrisPol]

Wait, Rockets fans have actually been defending this play?

Whether it falls in to the definition of a flop or not, it's a ridiculous play done to try and exploit the rules of the game, and it's crazy the refs penalized MCW for Hardens antics here, especially given the context of the game (late, close game, MCW fouls out while having a great game, etc).

This is not a basketball play.

I don't think anybody is arguing that the over the back foul wasn't a foul.

It's not really a ridiculous play, its a over the back foul that was miscalled by the refs. From my view it looks like Harden was annoyed at how hard MCW was backing into him so he decided to jump up and let him self get undercutted which led to him letting him self fall on MCW's back (the over the back foul).

The whole ridiculous call, disgusting flop, not a basketball play, shame on Harden narrative is being beyond exaggerated. It's just a miscalled over the back foul. Nothing more, nothing less. But because this is Harden it's a topic, is a NBA destroying flop somehow.

But it's not as simple as an over the back. If someones going for a rebound and they happen to jump over the back of someone, that's a basketball play. When MCW's just holding his ground in the middle of the play, there is no logical reason for Harden to go over MCW's back. He consciously mounted him. It wasn't a natural basketball action.

Exactly, imagine doing that when playing bball out there, people would either laugh or think that you are mentally challenged and tell you to gtfo.

[ThatBoyNick]

But it's not as simple as an over the back. If someones going for a rebound and they happen to jump over the back of someone, that's a basketball play. When MCW's just holding his ground in the middle of the play, there is no logical reason for Harden to go over MCW's back. He consciously mounted him. It wasn't a natural basketball action.

MCW wasn't just standing his ground, he backed into Harden and then squatted into Hardens legs. I honestly think that pissed Harden off and that's why he fell on him, or possibly he felt the pressure of MCW lowering his ass into his left knee and his natural reaction was to jump in fear of his knee buckling and then he fell on him. He was pissed afterwards which inclines me to believe it was one of those. It's normal for players to get pisses and foul other players, it's normal to protect his knee.

To me looked like over the back, I do agree the fall could have been dangerous for MCWs back and that sucks, but even if it was called a foul on Harden I doubt it would have been fragrant because of the way MCW backed and lowered him into Harden. It's not like Harden had a running start up to a straight standing MCW and jumped on his back.

[ThatBoyNick]

Is this a discussion about semantics? K, let's abandon the term 'flop', how should we label it? 'Dishonest action to get a foul called on the opposing player'?

Okey, since there is obnoxious flop count stat, let's start a poll. Let's see where Harden ranks in the list of top floppers around these boards. Let's see if my own exaggerated hateful opinion is accurate or not.

Btw, I'm no hater at all, I like watching Houston, I like MDA and wish him the best luck.

Start whatever thread you please. A lot of people dislike a lot of players for flopping (which Harden didn't do in that video), Harden draws a lot of fouls, mostly becausw he gets legitimately fouled A LOT. I don't think he flops too often, what he does often that I think rightfully irks people is hooks arms to draw fouls.

When I think of most obnoxious in the league it's Paul on Cousins or Marcus Smart flop.

[SexDrugsPnR]

But it's not as simple as an over the back. If someones going for a rebound and they happen to jump over the back of someone, that's a basketball play. When MCW's just holding his ground in the middle of the play, there is no logical reason for Harden to go over MCW's back. He consciously mounted him. It wasn't a natural basketball action.

MCW wasn't just standing his ground, he backed into Harden and then squatted into Hardens legs. I honestly think that pissed Harden off and that's why he fell on him, or possibly he felt the pressure of MCW lowering his ass into his left knee and his natural reaction was to jump in fear of his knee buckling and then he fell on him. He was pissed afterwards which inclines me to believe it was one of those. It's normal for players to get pisses and foul other players, it's normal to protect his knee.

To me looked like over the back, I do agree the fall could have been dangerous for MCWs back and that sucks, but even if it was called a foul on Harden I doubt it would have been fragrant because of the way MCW backed and lowered him into Harden. It's not like Harden had a running start up to a straight standing MCW and jumped on his back.

I don't know what you are looking at. I am trying to watch it again and again to understand your point of view, but at no point does MCW move backwards while Harden's feet are still on the ground. The backpedaling starts when Harden jumps on his back and MCW loses his balance.
and @ "fragrant" foul