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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 2: End This Knightmare! 

Post#1921 » by TASTIC » Tue Feb 7, 2017 4:23 am

GoranTragic wrote:Lebron wants the Cavaliers FO to trade Love for Melo which bails out Phil Jackson. Unbelievable.

P.S. Tastic please don't hurt yourself with those trade scenarios :lol:

Ha bro I was eating my sandwich and one finger typing, that finger is the only thing that could have been hurt.

It doesn't make us go 'wow!' but at least it's semi-realistic and feasible for the other teams too.

I think we just accrue picks for vets, then DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT.

Broussard and his 'sources' said that LeBron thing is BS now I think? "Trash"...

Whatever happens, we need to be like Philly and get involved even as a third party to accumulate cheap talent and picks.

MCD get your fingers in these trade pies champ.
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Post#1922 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Feb 7, 2017 4:23 am

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Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Post#1926 » by dalton749 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 11:24 am

Phoenix out: Tucker, knight
Phoenix in: Carroll, 2017 raps 1st

Carroll is a bit of a gamble as he hasn't looked healthy yet this year, but 1 less year on his contract than knight and can fill minutes on the wing while getting the 1st for Tucker that otherwise probably wouldn't happen.

Toronto out: Carroll, poeltl, 2017 1st
Toronto in: ibaka, Tucker

They upgrade their starting 3 and 4 positions to improve their defence with a bit of risk with both incoming deals expiring.

Orlando out: ibaka
Orlando in: knight, poeltl

Ibakas expiring for some scoring which they want, and the 9th pick in last years draft. Cut their losses without losing him for nothing.
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Post#1928 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:11 pm

dalton749 wrote:Phoenix out: Tucker, knight
Phoenix in: Carroll, 2017 raps 1st

Carroll is a bit of a gamble as he hasn't looked healthy yet this year, but 1 less year on his contract than knight and can fill minutes on the wing while getting the 1st for Tucker that otherwise probably wouldn't happen.

Toronto out: Carroll, poeltl, 2017 1st
Toronto in: ibaka, Tucker

They upgrade their starting 3 and 4 positions to improve their defence with a bit of risk with both incoming deals expiring.

Orlando out: ibaka
Orlando in: knight, poeltl

Ibakas expiring for some scoring which they want, and the 9th pick in last years draft. Cut their losses without losing him for nothing.


I think Orlando will need a bit more (though I know nothing about poeltl before). But otherwise, not a bad trade idea.
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Post#1929 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:13 pm

Qwigglez wrote:A good read of questions that need answering...
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/2/3/14503088/suns-questions-that-need-answers


Yeesh. Guess it's a very slow day at BSotS.
I am curious to know what happend to TJ. I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if it turns out he got into a fight with a fellow Sun and was punched in the head. So they hid him until his black eye was healed.
Probably not that but the fact it's been kept silent makes me think it's not something that will do the franchise justice if it gets out.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion 2: End This Knightmare! 

Post#1930 » by DRK » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:23 pm

I really think the Wizards could use some backcourt help. Beal and Wall are playing a stack of minutes, and the FO must be thinking about geting some help so they can rest for the Playoffs

Time for an annual "trade with the Wizards" post.


Suns In:
Wizards 2017 1st (or 2018)
Richaun Holmes
Satoransky

Suns Out:
Brandon Knight
Pj Tucker

Philly In
PJ Tucker
Andrew Nicholson
Future Suns 2nd

Philly Out

Richuan Holmes

Wizards In
Brandon Knight

Wizards Out
Tomas Satoransky
Andrew Nicholson


In both trades, Wizards get Knight to form a 3 man backcourt of Wall, Beal and Knight. Heres to hoping Knight ca resurrect his career in a Scott Brooks offence, and the Wall Kentucky connection. Wizards also clear a roster space to sign more veteran depth as they make a big push in the east.

The Suns get their annual 1st rounder from the Wizards, shed Knights salary and prepare more for the rebuild. They also gain Satoransky who is a ball handling tall guard, and get a really nice high energy big man in Richuan Holmes (who I rate very highly), which allows them flexibility to move Tyson to a contender. Holmes is locked in for 3 more years at 1million per year.

Philly get great veteran presence in Tucker and Nicholson. Adding Nicholsons contract will not be a big sacrifice as they are 17million below the salary floor. PJ Tucker is a free agent but Philly get their bird rights and is the perfect player to add to a very young squad who will be aiming for playoffs next season.
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Post#1931 » by dalton749 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:35 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
dalton749 wrote:Phoenix out: Tucker, knight
Phoenix in: Carroll, 2017 raps 1st

Carroll is a bit of a gamble as he hasn't looked healthy yet this year, but 1 less year on his contract than knight and can fill minutes on the wing while getting the 1st for Tucker that otherwise probably wouldn't happen.

Toronto out: Carroll, poeltl, 2017 1st
Toronto in: ibaka, Tucker

They upgrade their starting 3 and 4 positions to improve their defence with a bit of risk with both incoming deals expiring.

Orlando out: ibaka
Orlando in: knight, poeltl

Ibakas expiring for some scoring which they want, and the 9th pick in last years draft. Cut their losses without losing him for nothing.


I think Orlando will need a bit more (though I know nothing about poeltl before). But otherwise, not a bad trade idea.


I know the Orlando fans won't like it, but the value is pretty even when contracts come into play. I thought about Toronto maybe adding their 2nd since they don't need more than one rookie coming in next year anyway. I would take that offer over 2 months of ibaka helping win an extra game or two to hurt their tank, then leaving for nothing.
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Post#1932 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 7, 2017 2:58 pm

TASTIC wrote:Ok I went full tear-down on my lunch-break.
Spoiler:
I'll be the first to admit I know these mega deals NEVER happen, but I was bored and wanted to try and make at least a solid attempt at making an even rosterbation.

Literally the only vet I kept was Jared Dudley...because I don't think he has that much value (yet) and he might eventually transition into a front office role.

Chandler, PJ, Bledsoe, Knight, Barbosa, Len are all gone to help teams in the playoff hunt. The youngsters ALL stay besides Len, because I don't want to pay him $80m over 5, which is what he'll want.

So my thinking is:

Bledsoe's value will NEVER be higher. His knee(s) could disintegrate tomorrow and nobody would be surprised, we would be surprised, however, if he averaged more than 75 games played over the next 3-4 years (ie his prime).

Ditto for PJ, fresh off a 7 steal effort, his value (both on the court and financially) will never be higher for a team needing a veteran 3 & D specialist who can literally guard 5 positions for stretches. He's played with so much heart and fire, he deserves a winning situation.

Chandler is far from an albatross contract. Sure, he can't jump over a phone-book anymore and his rim protection leaves a lot to be desired, but put him on that Blazers team and he makes them instantly better with his experience and rebounding.

Knight just needs some minutes, but not in the desert. Put him on Brooklyn and maybe he plays 1.5 seasons there putting up 16-4-5 and they can flip him for a 1st, lord knows they need backcourt help and picks.

Barbosa and Len land in Boston where they can help with bench scoring & leadership (Barbs) and rebounding and rim protection (Len, duh). I like the pairing of Len/Horford to be honest, put Crowder there too and that's a really solid front-court rotation with Brown and Olynyk off the bench. McConnell would be a cult icon in Boston as well, they'd love him off the bench.

I actually don't mind BLopez in CHI, but the issue is playing the two bros together as both are slower than drying paint. BUT, BroLo helps their outside shooting a lot, so maybe he's 6th man like OKC does with Kanter for example, and his job is to just shoot and score efficiently, which he's proven he can do.

So the pieces coming IN...I really like the idea of a younger, stronger version of Bledsoe next to Booker. Smart fits better in terms of age and he's played a lot more off the ball, which allows Booker to create more like he did towards the end of last season.

Noel is a crap-shoot, he could be the athletic, rebounding shot-blocker we need, but then I'm not certain if I'd want to give him $18m a season. He does have DPOY potential and I love the pairing with Chriss up front, spacing might be an issue though.

Mirotic is an expiring and slots into that Teletovic gunner off the bench role, we might even be able to get him to stay at a discount.

Taj Gibson you'd ideally flip for a late 1st/2nd rd pick to a contender that could use him, he'd be perfect for OKC or the Raptors.

Aminu again is relatively young still, relatively cheap, plays defence first and is an ideal backup 3/4 to fit that PJ role off the bench. He still has upside too.

Jerebko is an expiring, either waive him or see if you can flip him again for a 2nd.

Sergio is another expiring, but as a pass-first vet I'd let him finish the rest of the season as a leader off the bench.

In terms of picks...We get a future 1st from Philly as they're landing the best player in the deal, it'd need to be protected though. I think the pieces going out/in for each team are relatively even, maybe CHI need to send a protected 1st to BRK for Lopez.

So we have our 1st next season and both MIA picks. Nothing flashy like future 1sts coming in, but also none going out either.

So the team to end the season SCREAMS tank and really, why the hell not. A complete tear-down has been on the cards for 2-3yr now and only the Bled/Dragic lightning in a bottle held it up.

Noel / Bender / Williams
Chriss / Mirotic
Warren / Aminu / Dudley
Booker / DJones? We'd need an FA here til the end of the season...Jenkins?
Smart / Sergio / Ulis

I'd probably keep Price round too so he can be a positive voice in the locker-room.
Here's the breakdowns:

Suns in: Nerlens Noel, Marcus Smart, Al-Farouq Aminu, Jonas Jerebko, Sergio Rodriguez, Nikola Mirotic, Taj Gibson, PHI 1st rd pick.

76ers in: Eric Bledsoe, Meyers Leonard.

Blazers in: Tyson Chandler, PJ Tucker.

Celtics in: Alex Len, Leandro Barbosa, TJ McConnell.

Nets in: MCW, Brandon Knight, CHI 1st rd pick (protected)

Bulls in: Brook Lopez

Spoiler:
Build through this stacked draft, adding defensive minded guys (Smart, Noel, Aminu) to the offensive minded core (Booker, Warren - I'm not sure he's in the core, but TJ can score at least).

Hope that you get lucky in FA and land some impact guys - but they CANNOT speed this tear-down up, this is with the eye on really running the table in the 2018 draft with ours and MIA's picks.

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First of all, I'd give you another +1 just for the great and original work you put in here. Kudos. :D

There are a lot of elements I like here. I like the idea of pairing the Lopez twins (never would have thought of it myself). I like the idea of identifying the major missing piece of our core that can't be attained via the draft - a young starting center - and cashing in our most valuable trade chip for it. It's creative, and it creates a framework for a much bigger (this) deal.

Ultimately, I think the Celts feel stiffed. They've been playing Smart more and more; they may have legitimate fears that if we're selling Alex, it's because he really isn't a starting caliber center. If he ever is going to break out, he has to break out mentally - get angry, get physical, assert himself; don't just imitate guys who play big, but **** your opponents like lil beeches. Not to mention, Alex would need to be paid immediately, while holding Smart gives you another year. And there just aren't very many bulldog guards in the league - they're even rarer than lanky rim protectors, frankly. So I don't think the Celts do this.

I really like the Nets as a landing spot for Knight. If I'm the Nets, if I can't get draft picks, I'm looking for buy-low candidates whose value I could resuscitate. Even if this particular trade wouldn't go down, perhaps Knight could be turned into something like Kilpatrick, Booker, Bogdanovic - useful NBA players who could be pieces in a bigger deal. Or (in Booker), a backup center to replace Len, if necessary.

I've soured on the idea of Tyson to Portland, because they're not looking like a likely playoff team right now. It costs us little to keep him, so I won't be surprised if we simply hold onto him. So I guess I would just remove him from this deal.

I'll be considering your framework in the two weeks that remain. Extra cosmo points for TASTIC. Thanks for posting!
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Post#1933 » by LukasBMW » Tue Feb 7, 2017 3:36 pm

Philly needs a PG, and if they are considering swapping Okafor for Jrue Holiday, then we better be offering them Knight for Okafor.
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Post#1934 » by darealjuice » Tue Feb 7, 2017 4:22 pm

Pretty good read about the state of the Phoenix Suns on The Ringer, not an extremely long read if you're interested.

Notable quotes/sections:
“I know we talked about playoffs, but our whole thing is about developing these young guys,” Dudley admits. “Let’s just be honest about what it is. We’ve gone young early. … [It’s about] how we can develop these guys to be ready to play at a high level quicker.”

“We have built a team to be versatile,” McDonough said, adding the long-term goal is to be able to switch defensive screens at every position. “Golden State obviously does that better than anybody. So, if you can move your feet defensively and guard smaller guys as a big and stretch the floor and shoot in the mid-upper 30s from 3, that’s really valuable.”

“Those guys have potential to be All-Stars someday,” Dudley said. “I think once they hit their primes, Ryan is banking on one of them having All-Star potential to pair with Book. The key for them will be summertime: who stays in the gym, who works on their game, who watches film to see what they can improve on.” Dudley observed that advances in training and conditioning have aided in the development process.

Over the next three or four summers, the Suns should have the cap space to sign a player to a max contract, and they own all their first-round picks, along with two firsts from the Heat via the Goran Dragic deal (an unprotected first in 2021, and a top-seven protected first in 2018 or an unprotected first in 2019). They could continue along the slow and steady path, or they could accelerate the process. “We built it to do either one and I think which path we choose will be simply just based on which opportunities present themselves,” McDonough admits. “We’ve loaded up on a lot of rookie-scale contracts. With the cap spike continuing over the next couple years, that gives us the opportunity and flexibility to do a lot of different things down the road.”

McDonough cites Golden State and how the team struggled for Steph Curry’s first three seasons before exploding on the scene once it added more young talent and savvy vets like Andrew Bogut, Andre Iguodala, and Shaun Livingston. The patient model extends to other sports, too. McDonough brought up the Chicago Cubs, who are run by Theo Epstein. Epstein guided the Cubs through a controlled implosion, stripping the team of talent for three seasons and built each year through the draft and trades. It was painful, but they’re now one of the best teams in baseball and won the World Series this past year. “They were patient. They developed a culture. Their young guys improved individually and all of sudden it came together quickly,” McDonough said. “It does that sometimes. It’s not always a linear process.”

Neither McDonough nor Watson would ever use the word “tanking,” but it certainly seems like that’s what is happening this season. They need time to hit rock bottom and then hope fans and ownership give them time to bounce back. “The Suns have been in existence 49 years and haven’t won a championship,” said McDonough. “We figured it was time to try something a little bit different.”


Obviously words are wind, but it seems like McDonough wants to take the time to do this rebuild slowly and correctly. Funny to see even Dudley say that playoff talk was just lip service, this season it's all about getting the young guys up to speed right now, and that the key for them advancing is the work they put in during the summertime/offseason. Other than that, a lot of talk about modeling our franchise, building culture, relationship in the team, etc. I'd recommend reading if you have a few minutes, but not a lot of new stuff.
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Post#1935 » by ATTL » Tue Feb 7, 2017 5:39 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Philly needs a PG, and if they are considering swapping Okafor for Jrue Holiday, then we better be offering them Knight for Okafor.


Jrue already has a connection to Phillyand is better than our Knight in trashy armor.
The pels are trying to get the sixers to take on a bad contract too.
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Post#1936 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 6:02 pm

ATTL wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Philly needs a PG, and if they are considering swapping Okafor for Jrue Holiday, then we better be offering them Knight for Okafor.


Jrue already has a connection to Phillyand is better than our Knight in trashy armor.
The pels are trying to get the sixers to take on a bad contract too.


Yeah, the choice between Jrue and Knight would take about 2 seconds.
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Post#1937 » by thamadkant » Tue Feb 7, 2017 6:05 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:A good read of questions that need answering...
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/2/3/14503088/suns-questions-that-need-answers


Yeesh. Guess it's a very slow day at BSotS.
I am curious to know what happend to TJ. I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if it turns out he got into a fight with a fellow Sun and was punched in the head. So they hid him until his black eye was healed.
Probably not that but the fact it's been kept silent makes me think it's not something that will do the franchise justice if it gets out.



A bruises are common in sports and black eyes can be explained easily as an on court accident.


I think concussion from a collision or mental... As in depression.
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Post#1938 » by thamadkant » Tue Feb 7, 2017 6:10 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Philly needs a PG, and if they are considering swapping Okafor for Jrue Holiday, then we better be offering them Knight for Okafor.



I think 76ers is happy with their current cheap PG doing well.


They want a lottery pick for Okafor.


People crapping on Okafor in the GB... Forgetting his per 36 is very similar to Porzingis and KAT. And posted 17.5ppg 7rpg 1.2bpg shot 51% as a 19-20 year old rookie.

If Cousins can develop a mid to long range as a 25 year old... I dont see how a 21 year old cant.
Also Okafor's moves inside are so sublime... He will score on most one on one post situations.
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Post#1939 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 6:36 pm

1UPZ wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Philly needs a PG, and if they are considering swapping Okafor for Jrue Holiday, then we better be offering them Knight for Okafor.



I think 76ers is happy with their current cheap PG doing well.


They want a lottery pick for Okafor.


People crapping on Okafor in the GB... Forgetting his per 36 is very similar to Porzingis and KAT. And posted 17.5ppg 7rpg 1.2bpg shot 51% as a 19-20 year old rookie.

If Cousins can develop a mid to long range as a 25 year old... I dont see how a 21 year old cant.
Also Okafor's moves inside are so sublime... He will score on most one on one post situations.


The way McD talks about how our team is built in that Ringer article just posted,

“We have built a team to be versatile,” McDonough said, adding the long-term goal is to be able to switch defensive screens at every position. “Golden State obviously does that better than anybody. So, if you can move your feet defensively and guard smaller guys as a big and stretch the floor and shoot in the mid-upper 30s from 3, that’s really valuable.”


makes it sound to me like there is no way they would go after a guy like Okafor.
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Post#1940 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Feb 7, 2017 7:18 pm

The Dunc'd on Mock Trade Deadline podcast had us executing one trade at the end of 2 1/2 hours, reproduced here in all of its glory:

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Tucker and Barbosa to Houston for Brewer and HOU '17

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