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Bradley Beal - Part III

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#481 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:10 pm

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So you think 2 different coaches told him, and only him, to leak out early? Doubtful.

If his man takes a corner jumper watch what he does. He will take a few steps the other direction and if the rebound bounces towards his man he will just stand and watch his man get the rebound.

People like to make a big deal about fast break points but the Wizards are averaging only 15 fast break points per game. Most of those are from Wall. Some of the fast break points Beal gets are transition 3s in which case he really wouldn't need to leak out early anyway.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fastbreak-points-per-game

He is just a bad rebounder. At least he is making big strides in other areas.

Yes actually, I think both coaches told him to do it.

When Wittman attempted to implement the "pace and space" last year, they designated Beal as the guy to leak out early and pick up quick baskets. Here's an example - look at the play at 2:03



Washington is still one of the best teams at doing that. They're able to score (even off of MADE baskets) faster than just about any team in the league sans GSW. The Wizards offense overall has slowed from 5th in pace last season, to a more manageable 15th in pace. But Beal is 86th percentile in transition PPP this year, clearly Brooks thought it a good idea to continue using Beal in that capacity since he can make a killing on those plays.

I think Oubre and Morris need to rebound a little better when they're on the floor (Markieff has been better lately). He was a strong rebounder last year, but when we go small Kelly often gets pushed out of the way for rebounds and sometimes has trouble corralling the ball.


LOL there is literally not one example in that video where Beal leaked out early and gained an advantage doing so. You act like the 86h percentile thing is actually a big deal. How many points is that per game? How many of those points were transition 3s where he was trailing behind Wall? Just playing with Wall automatically helps his fast break scoring. I see absolutely no reason to believe that leaking out a few steps is somehow making a significant difference in his fast break efficiency.

I have seen too many rebounds that Beal easily could have had if he wasn't lazy or a few steps out of position. It isn't like he is running downcourt when a shot is taken, getting behind the defense completely. He will just leak out a few steps and then his man rebounds his own miss while Beal watches.

Washington routinely scores in transition even off of made baskets. Since last season, I can't count how many times I've been watching a game where the opposing team scores, and Beal gets a hit-ahead pass and scores before the camera can even catch up to the play. I'm pretty sure anyone else who watches Wiz games will back that up.

You don't get easy points in transition if you're sending everyone to crash the boards. It's simple logic. You have to designate someone to look for opportunities to leak out. Maybe Beal has to pick his spots better sure, but it seems clear that he was designated to be that guy.

Beal played PF in college and he had solid rebounding numbers his first few years, he's not a bad rebounder. Since last year it seems like he's been asked to leak out and help with our transition attack. Whether or not you agree with that strategy is a different question. But imo it's obvious that it was a coaching adjustment that carried over since it was successful last year.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#482 » by DCZards » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:45 pm

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So you think 2 different coaches told him, and only him, to leak out early? Doubtful.


So you think that 2 different coaches told Beal NOT to leak out early and yet he ignores his coaches and leaks out anyway? That's even more doubtful.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#483 » by tontoz » Sun Feb 5, 2017 5:55 pm

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So you think 2 different coaches told him, and only him, to leak out early? Doubtful.


So you think that 2 different coaches told Beal NOT to leak out early and yet he ignores his coaches and leaks out anyway? That's even more doubtful.



No i think two coaches haven't addressed it at all and he does what he wants.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#484 » by tontoz » Sun Feb 5, 2017 6:11 pm

I'll take your response as a concession that there was not one play in that video where Beal leaked out early and gained an advantage doing so. The only time he actually got behind the defense was when he made a steal on Wade near midcourt.

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Beal played PF in college and he had solid rebounding numbers his first few years, he's not a bad rebounder. Since last year it seems like he's been asked to leak out and help with our transition attack. Whether or not you agree with that strategy is a different question. But imo it's obvious that it was a coaching adjustment that carried over since it was successful last year.


In the 2014-15 season Beal's defensive rebounding rate ranked 45th among 2s. Nick Young was 49th. Is that what you call solid? I guess you have to blame Wittman for that too.

Washington routinely scores in transition even off of made baskets. Since last season, I can't count how many times I've been watching a game where the opposing team scores, and Beal gets a hit-ahead pass and scores before the camera can even catch up to the play. I'm pretty sure anyone else who watches Wiz games will back that up.


That is because of Wall and the pressure he puts on the D in transition. The defense collapses to the paint to prevent Wall from getting to the rim. Anyone who watches the games can see that.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#485 » by DCZards » Sun Feb 5, 2017 7:32 pm

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So you think 2 different coaches told him, and only him, to leak out early? Doubtful.


So you think that 2 different coaches told Beal NOT to leak out early and yet he ignores his coaches and leaks out anyway? That's even more doubtful.



No i think two coaches haven't addressed it at all and he does what he wants.


Isn't it more likely that the coaches/team don't have a problem with Beal leaking out early because they see it as helping rather than hurting the offense? Do you really think that the coaches would not address Beal's leaking out if they thought it was hurting the Zards ability to win games?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#486 » by tontoz » Sun Feb 5, 2017 9:45 pm

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So you think that 2 different coaches told Beal NOT to leak out early and yet he ignores his coaches and leaks out anyway? That's even more doubtful.



No i think two coaches haven't addressed it at all and he does what he wants.


Isn't it more likely that the coaches/team don't have a problem with Beal leaking out early because they see it as helping rather than hurting the offense? Do you really think that the coaches would not address Beal's leaking out if they thought it was hurting the Zards ability to win games?



Brooks hasn't even been coaching him that long. Wittman was not a believer in stats and actually encouraged Beal to shoot midrange shots even though he shot them consistently sub 40%.

You guys obviously aren't paying attention to what Beal is actually doing. I will just start making screen prints so you can see how foolish this argument is.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#487 » by DCZards » Sun Feb 5, 2017 10:09 pm

tontoz wrote:Brooks hasn't even been coaching him that long. Wittman was not a believer in stats and actually encouraged Beal to shoot midrange shots even though he shot them consistently sub 40%.

You guys obviously aren't paying attention to what Beal is actually doing. I will just start making screen prints so you can see how foolish this argument is.


Maybe you ought to share your screen prints with Brooks and his staff... because you're apparently the only one who is paying attention to this and considers it a problem. :)
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#488 » by tontoz » Sun Feb 5, 2017 10:30 pm

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tontoz wrote:Brooks hasn't even been coaching him that long. Wittman was not a believer in stats and actually encouraged Beal to shoot midrange shots even though he shot them consistently sub 40%.

You guys obviously aren't paying attention to what Beal is actually doing. I will just start making screen prints so you can see how foolish this argument is.


Maybe you ought to share your screen prints with Brooks and his staff... because you're apparently the only one who is paying attention to this and considers it a problem. :)



The only thing i know for sure is that you and Illmatic aren't paying attention to it. If you were you wouldn't make the ridiculous assertion that Beal is following his coach's instructions.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#489 » by payitforward » Mon Feb 6, 2017 10:08 pm

Oh wow, this is the 2d time in three days that I can't figure out what guys are arguing about on the Board. Do you think that means I'm finally getting senile?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#490 » by Halcyon » Tue Feb 7, 2017 2:12 am

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#491 » by jangles86 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 3:29 am

Best game I've seen Beal play. He stands up in big games this kid. Worth every cent.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#492 » by SizzlinSimms » Tue Feb 7, 2017 4:14 am

Beal is so legit. I thought that one 3 was gonna go in, but whatever, I'm not mad. The Wiz played so well tonight. If not for the miraculous LBJ 3 the Wiz would have won.

At least we know we can hang with the big dogs now. The playoffs will be juicy.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#493 » by J-Ves » Tue Feb 7, 2017 4:35 am

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#494 » by Illmatic12 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 5:35 am

He's starting to look like a young Ray Allen out there. Def glad we signed Beal for a full 5 yrs, his prime years are going to be fun
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#495 » by SizzlinSimms » Tue Feb 7, 2017 9:03 am

That step back or side step move is silky smooth.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#496 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 7, 2017 12:06 pm

Last night was the best game i can remember from Beal as far as creating off the dribble.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#497 » by dangermouse » Tue Feb 7, 2017 12:14 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:He's starting to look like a young Ray Allen out there. Def glad we signed Beal for a full 5 yrs, his prime years are going to be fun


Until I read that, I forgot about the comparisons. I never really bought into the comparisons, mostly because I was a HUGE Ray Ray fan. And because well, Beal really didnt play on that level.

But thinking back on this game and some recently... I think the Ray Ray comparison is almost there. He just needs that clutchness that Ray Ray had, but im sure it'll come.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#498 » by tontoz » Tue Feb 7, 2017 5:27 pm

Beal's TS in 2017 is 61.3%, and that includes the slump where he went 1-21 from 3.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#499 » by Kanyewest » Tue Feb 7, 2017 5:30 pm

Beal was great albeit for a couple of bad shots in the overtime period.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#500 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 7, 2017 6:15 pm

Beal's ORtg over his career:

2012-13 - 102
2013-14 - 103
2014-15 - 102
2015-16 - 103
2016-17 - 116 :o

I think that's what they call a "breakout".

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