Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Melo would be awesome as our 6th man. I'm not sure if I'd part with Burke, Nicholson, & our first though. I could be convinced.

[pcbothwel]

It would be hilarious if SAC accepted this, but:

Collison+Skal for Nicholson+2017 1st round pick.

No way we would be so lucky, but it is the Kings

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

[gambitx777]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

well witch pick. currently its probably possible to trade 2017 2018 2019 and 2020 (last one being a stretch).
IDK, its a tricky market, plumlee was moved for nothing, so the perceived negative value of our filler, nicholson and mahinmi is not as bad as one would think. Korver (a former all star, 35 year old, sharp shooter on a one year deal) went for a heavily protected 2019 pick.
So that gives you a little idea of where the market is.
I don't think Bledsoe is going to be moved for a 2017 first and they probably won't take the filler we have for him. Hes a starting PG and I don't think he wants to be in johns shadow again, so that might cause issues in the locker room. It really depends on the deal and who all is involved and the situation. I think any one on Orlando could be had for a first of any kind. You might be able to use a 2019 or 2018 to get some guys from denver, The pistons, I think zach randolph and vince carter for mahinmi and a 2019 or 2018 first is very possible. Not a lot of PG's that ar out there are worth trading for. Lou williams is one I would be ok with dumping a first on, barton too but hes a 2. Maybe you could pull something off with a mahinmi and a 2019 for Rondo and portis, but Rando might not buy in and you risk fracturing the locker room.

[NatP4]

Mahinmi and a 2017 second round picks and a 2017 first for Faried and barton works. and they might bite on it because they really need a defensive anchor center.

We would be trading away the best player in the deal and multiple draft picks for role players

[stevemcqueen1]

Eric Bledsoe would be a huge get, but he wouldn't be happy here. He's a starter and wouldn't get enough minutes here.

[Christine-In-AZ]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

[Dat2U]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

I wouldn't mind Jared Dudley back. But I don't think I'd give up a 1st for him.

[Christine-In-AZ]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

I wouldn't mind Jared Dudley back. But I don't think I'd give up a 1st for him.

I hear ya, but I think Dudley is sticking with the Suns for the long haul, even if he doesn't play a ton and sporadically. He's getting paid for off-the-court qualities.

[Dat2U]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

well witch pick. currently its probably possible to trade 2017 2018 2019 and 2020 (last one being a stretch).
IDK, its a tricky market, plumlee was moved for nothing, so the perceived negative value of our filler, nicholson and mahinmi is not as bad as one would think. Korver (a former all star, 35 year old, sharp shooter on a one year deal) went for a heavily protected 2019 pick.
So that gives you a little idea of where the market is.
I don't think Bledsoe is going to be moved for a 2017 first and they probably won't take the filler we have for him. Hes a starting PG and I don't think he wants to be in johns shadow again, so that might cause issues in the locker room. It really depends on the deal and who all is involved and the situation. I think any one on Orlando could be had for a first of any kind. You might be able to use a 2019 or 2018 to get some guys from denver, The pistons, I think zach randolph and vince carter for mahinmi and a 2019 or 2018 first is very possible. Not a lot of PG's that ar out there are worth trading for. Lou williams is one I would be ok with dumping a first on, barton too but hes a 2. Maybe you could pull something off with a mahinmi and a 2019 for Rondo and portis, but Rando might not buy in and you risk fracturing the locker room.

I don't think you can use Plumlee as a realistic example of what the market sets for Nicholson or Mahinmi.

1. Charlotte was in a desperate situation and made a desperate move. Cody Zeller was hurt, they lost 6 in a row trotting out Hibbert & Hawes... Cho felt the pressure to do something. I don't see the same thing happening for a guy like Nicholson who scouts around the league can see is arguably the least athletic player in the NBA. He's never been much good but he doesn't look like the same guy that had a few decent outings for Orlando. He's literally moving like a 40 yr old out there. No one is going to want to take on that contract without incentive.

2. Discussing trading Mahinmi before he can play and establish he's health is silly. Why sacrifice assets and get garbage in return when he's barely played? That's shooting ourselves in the foot. If he comes back, stays healthy and is useful, then great. We can possibly look to painlessly trade him this offseason then. If he gets hurt again, his value is no worse than it is right now. It would likely take multiple picks to move him until he establishes his real on-court value again. Plumlee was movable because he's healthy... that's the big difference from the Mahinmi situation.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

Love the idea of adding Tucker and Barbosa.

[bealwithit]

So, who would you all be ok with for our unprotected first?

Let's assemble the list... and no, we're not getting Klay Thompson. Who is realistic that would be a good value?

I'll start. Would the Suns part with Bledsoe? Would he get us over the hump?

well witch pick. currently its probably possible to trade 2017 2018 2019 and 2020 (last one being a stretch).
IDK, its a tricky market, plumlee was moved for nothing, so the perceived negative value of our filler, nicholson and mahinmi is not as bad as one would think. Korver (a former all star, 35 year old, sharp shooter on a one year deal) went for a heavily protected 2019 pick.
So that gives you a little idea of where the market is.
I don't think Bledsoe is going to be moved for a 2017 first and they probably won't take the filler we have for him. Hes a starting PG and I don't think he wants to be in johns shadow again, so that might cause issues in the locker room. It really depends on the deal and who all is involved and the situation. I think any one on Orlando could be had for a first of any kind. You might be able to use a 2019 or 2018 to get some guys from denver, The pistons, I think zach randolph and vince carter for mahinmi and a 2019 or 2018 first is very possible. Not a lot of PG's that ar out there are worth trading for. Lou williams is one I would be ok with dumping a first on, barton too but hes a 2. Maybe you could pull something off with a mahinmi and a 2019 for Rondo and portis, but Rando might not buy in and you risk fracturing the locker room.

Woo, dude, I appreciate your activeness in this thread but at least be somewhat realistic. Both of those guys are key to what Memphis does... and they are a playoff team. Also, Orlando is trying to get a star back for Vuc/Ibaka etc., they don't want a 1st and trash, which is all we can offer. Just think a bit more before shooting off more and more dart throw trade ideas.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

Love the idea of adding Tucker and Barbosa.

Would you love it enough to part with the '17 #1 (top 19 protected) + Nicholson and Thornton's contracts?

Suns send the Wizards their 2nd rounder (likely 32-35) if the Wizard pick ends up #20 to #23

[dangermouse]

Wouldnt Tucker take minutes from Oubre? Or can he play the 2?

[TGW]

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

Love the idea of adding Tucker and Barbosa.

Would you love it enough to part with the '17 #1 (top 19 protected) + Nicholson and Thornton's contracts?

Suns send the Wizards their 2nd rounder (likely 32-35) if the Wizard pick ends up #20 to #23

I don't think that's a bad offer. It's not a great one for the Wizards, but I think it's definitely a fair trade. It's more of a draft night trade.

[Dark Faze]

Top 5 protected 2018 pick and Smith, Nicholson for Faried?

Keep Smith.

Make it Burke or other filler, and this seems really good.

Definitely like this idea. Keeps this year's draft in play, while improving the PF spot even more. Still doesn't fix our backup guard issue, but a decent guard would be easier to find in the draft where our 2017 pick will be vs a PF who could contribute in a meaningful way next season. Not sure if that's the package Denver would be looking for though. And I'd have to think if someone dangled another (presumably higher than ours) 2017 1st in Denver's face, they'd take that deal.

Could happen, but nobody has chased Faried in all these years and I don't see much reason to think it'll happen now.

In regards to including Burke instead of Smith--it's possible. I'd probably agree. His play is okay right now, but *only* okay, and it's a contract year to boot. I think a case could be made that we could lock him up on a really low contract that he could easily outperform, but it's just too hard to call right now, and it's really risky.

Trade checker works out for Nicholson/Burke for Faried.

[nate33]

Trade checker works out for Nicholson/Burke for Faried.

Can't do it. It causes huge luxtax ramifications next year.

[payitforward]

And I am saying that the market is proving you wrong,
Nicholsons contract is only 6 mill a year its not bad, he could be useful in some systems maybe. But the deal is not bad, he is.
Plumlee got traded, he was putting up similar numbers and playing just as badly for the bucks and he was moved for 2 expirings and no picks were used to move him. Nicholson can be moved, the market says so.

Plumlee is a heck of a lot better than Nicholson. He had a bad half a season this year, but last year, he averaged 13, 10 and 2 (per 36) while playing good D. Nicholson can't even get on the floor because his horrific defense absolutely cripples the scheme.

NIcholson had a good season last year, Plumlee is a far worse contract and he got traded for nothing.

No, Nicholson did not have a good season last year. He's never had a good season. Plumlee, OTOH, has been good every year but this one. You can easily imagine him returning to form. There is no "form" for Nicholson to return to.

[payitforward]

Guys, watch that guy. If he doesn't stick with the Hornets; I;m sure he's an upgrade at backup PG for the Wizards...

I liked him in the draft too, & he played pretty well in 1400 minutes w/ the Kings 2 years ago. Definitely an upgrade, though maybe not the answer longer term.

[payitforward]

I believe the Suns FO would move Bledsoe, but I can't see a Bledsoe to Wizards deal that doesn't involve really messing with Washington's core...gotta find about 12 million to send back also. Can't see it. Far more likely to happen on draft day or later, but the Suns would likely be looking for an under 25 yo player with potential and an upper half of the 1st round pick for Eric at a minimum.

Far from a Bledsoe acquisition, but would the Wizards have any interest in defensive specialist/corner 3 guy PJ Tucker (expiring) and high efficiency scorer/quasi-PG Leandro Barbosa (effectively expiring with a 500k buyout)?

Love the idea of adding Tucker and Barbosa.

Would you love it enough to part with the '17 #1 (top 19 protected) + Nicholson and Thornton's contracts?

Suns send the Wizards their 2nd rounder (likely 32-35) if the Wizard pick ends up #20 to #23

So... in effect you are suggesting Tucker, Barbosa & likely the #33 or #34 pick for Nicholson, Thornton & likely the #21 or #22 pick?

I'd hate to lose our R1 pick, but I'd find that pretty tempting. Tucker becomes our backup 4 the rest of this season then goes away. Barbosa takes Burke's minutes.

We are better this season (which pushes our #1 pick position down), & Barbosa only has 1 more year @$4m. We dump Nicholson for a cost of dropping @11 draft positions. As I say, that'd be pretty tempting.