Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[the_process]

We need to move Okafor by the trade deadline. His value will only go down this year if we keep him past then.

Alexis Ajinca + 2018 Lotto Protected Pelicans 1st is fine as long as the protections decrease over time (e.g. top 10 2019, top 5 2020, unprotected 2021).

It would have to be a 2017 lotto protected, 2018 top 10 protected, 2019 top 5 protected, 2020 unprotected for me to be okay with those protections. The Pelicans aren't going to miss the playoffs forever. Need to at least get a crack at a lotto pick.

Better yet, just eat Asik instead and take their 2018 unprotected for Jah.

[ProcessDoctor]

The only way I'm ever eating Asik's contract is if Anthony Davis is the return.

[the_process]

As negative as the sentiment surrounding Jah is right now, I think for a lot of teams in the league, they're actually making a decent value play if they can acquire him for something like a lotto-protected first (at best). Yeah he's extremely flawed, but he's still a 21 year old big who's already shown that he can score pretty efficiently, 1.5 years removed from being a 3rd overall pick with tons of room to improve.

I'm not making the case that we should keep Jah. We should try to get that protection maybe lowered to top 10 (which, if this is what happens, kind of ruins the point I'm making), but I'm fine with getting rid of him for a lotto protected 1st at this point too. All I'm saying is that the proposition of trading for Jah right now as a random middling team (assuming it won't block any minutes of a good young big) has become kind of an underrated, buy-low, Hinkie-like low risk shot in the dark.

If this was the NFL, would Jah be the type of player Bill Belichick would try to snag at low value with the hope of salvaging him?

Or is he so inherently flawed as a C prospect, and coupled with his low motor and poor passion, that he wouldn't even be appealing to him?

Yeah maybe, although I can't see a team competing for a title right now (like the Spurs, if you want to draw that Belichick-Pop parallel) having interest in him. He's more like a project value add best suited for a middling team.

I definitely think that Pop would take a chance on Okafor. I just don't know what he would want to give up that would make it worthwhile.

[MNSixerFan]

If this was the NFL, would Jah be the type of player Bill Belichick would try to snag at low value with the hope of salvaging him?

Or is he so inherently flawed as a C prospect, and coupled with his low motor and poor passion, that he wouldn't even be appealing to him?

Yeah maybe, although I can't see a team competing for a title right now (like the Spurs, if you want to draw that Belichick-Pop parallel) having interest in him. He's more like a project value add best suited for a middling team.

I definitely think that Pop would take a chance on Okafor. I just don't know what he would want to give up that would make it worthwhile.

Okafor for Leonard

[aHealthy3]

If this was the NFL, would Jah be the type of player Bill Belichick would try to snag at low value with the hope of salvaging him?

Or is he so inherently flawed as a C prospect, and coupled with his low motor and poor passion, that he wouldn't even be appealing to him?

Yeah maybe, although I can't see a team competing for a title right now (like the Spurs, if you want to draw that Belichick-Pop parallel) having interest in him. He's more like a project value add best suited for a middling team.

I definitely think that Pop would take a chance on Okafor. I just don't know what he would want to give up that would make it worthwhile.

Dejounte Murray straight up. I'm in.

[SparksFly87]

I hope Okafor for Ajinca and 2017 or 18 pick goes down. Then we can trade Noel for future 1st rounder or wing/guard or younger stretch forward.

Embiid / Ajinca / Holmes
Simmons/ Saric/ Holmes
Covington/ Luwawu
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********** / Mcconell

[the_process]

Yeah maybe, although I can't see a team competing for a title right now (like the Spurs, if you want to draw that Belichick-Pop parallel) having interest in him. He's more like a project value add best suited for a middling team.

I definitely think that Pop would take a chance on Okafor. I just don't know what he would want to give up that would make it worthwhile.

Dejounte Murray straight up. I'm in.

I don't know what I think of Murray, haven't seen very much of him. But I suppose if SA added their 1st it could work.

[XDevilBoiX]

I think the deal fell thru. Usually done within 24hrs of the leak report, hopefully it rekindles at the trade deadline.

[Ericb5]

I think the deal fell thru. Usually done within 24hrs of the leak report, hopefully it rekindles at the trade deadline.

If we just go off of what was reported then there never was a deal.

The Sixers wanted X and the Pelicans wanted to give up Y, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement.

I personally wouldn't want the deal to happen if the pick was protected too much. What would make or break the deal is what the protections would be, and they never agreed on those apparently.


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[XDevilBoiX]

I think the deal fell thru. Usually done within 24hrs of the leak report, hopefully it rekindles at the trade deadline.

If we just go off of what was reported then there never was a deal.

The Sixers wanted X and the Pelicans wanted to give up Y, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement.

I personally wouldn't want the deal to happen if the pick was protected too much. What would make or break the deal is what the protections would be, and they never agreed on those apparently.


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It had to have been close somehow to get leaked, if they weren't close I'd imagine it wouldn't have leak. Like a typical inquiry from one GM to another, seemed like BC had cold feet and changed it last minute so that it fell apart.

[freshie2]

Imagine replacing tonights lineup with Holiday/Covington/Simmons/Ilyasova/Embiid? 2 more weeks to wait this out...anxious to see the end result.

[Ericb5]

I think the deal fell thru. Usually done within 24hrs of the leak report, hopefully it rekindles at the trade deadline.

If we just go off of what was reported then there never was a deal.

The Sixers wanted X and the Pelicans wanted to give up Y, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement.

I personally wouldn't want the deal to happen if the pick was protected too much. What would make or break the deal is what the protections would be, and they never agreed on those apparently.


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It had to have been close somehow to get leaked, if they weren't close I'd imagine it wouldn't have leak. Like a typical inquiry from one GM to another, seemed like BC had cold feet and changed it last minute so that it fell apart.

Well you are dealing with two different GM's that love to be popular with the media so they leak things left and right. Something happened to make a number of national writers get tipped off as a group.

The fact that they talked, or even the ball park of the value wasn't that surprising. What was surprising to me was that hey seemed like they were about to make a deal a few weeks before they had to. I would rather wait until the deadline.


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[76ciology]

My gut feel is..

Noel was asking for A LOT of money (max to bazemore/crabbe money) early the season. Sixers straight up told him that we can't give him that. Noel's justification is his past stint for the team. You know all the low sample size stats they post out there, how he suffered all the losing and other stuffs.

Eventually, Noel and his player agent gave in (I guess nobody has shown interest to gave them the money they want) and it was more evident when Noel's play didn't standout with or without Embiid. But Noel has been really good as Biid's back-up, and the team settled with them saying we're going to give you a good contract but just not what you are asking.

Both parties settled. Then BC goes all out trying to make a deal for Jah. If BC can't close a deal then we sign Noel below their initial asking contract while we try to trade Jah from trade deadline, draft night to before trade deadline next season.

[Ericb5]

My gut feel is..

Noel was asking for A LOT of money (max to bazemore/crabbe money) early the season. Sixers straight up told him that we can't give him that. Noel's justification is his past stint for the team. You know all the low sample size stats they post out there, how he suffered all the losing and other stuffs.

Eventually, Noel and his player agent gave in (I guess nobody has shown interest to gave them the money they want) and it was more evident when Noel's play didn't standout with or without Embiid. But Noel has been really good as Biid's back-up, and the team settled with them saying we're going to give you a good contract but just not what you are asking.

Both parties settled. Then BC goes all out trying to make a deal for Jah. If BC can't close a deal then we sign Noel below their initial asking contract while we try to trade Jah from trade deadline, draft night to before trade deadline next season.

I think it is simpler than that. They tried both Okafor and Noel with Embiid, and they found that Noel worked better. The team also was better with Noel at the 5 than with Okafor at the 5.

Noel's contract situation puts them at a disadvantage, but I don't think there is much risk in signing him to a big offer. I firmly believe that even in the worst case scenario(outside of catastrophic injury) that Noel would be traceable even at 20 million a year.


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[spikeslovechild]

My gut feel is..

Noel was asking for A LOT of money (max to bazemore/crabbe money) early the season. Sixers straight up told him that we can't give him that. Noel's justification is his past stint for the team. You know all the low sample size stats they post out there, how he suffered all the losing and other stuffs.

Eventually, Noel and his player agent gave in (I guess nobody has shown interest to gave them the money they want) and it was more evident when Noel's play didn't standout with or without Embiid. But Noel has been really good as Biid's back-up, and the team settled with them saying we're going to give you a good contract but just not what you are asking.

Both parties settled. Then BC goes all out trying to make a deal for Jah. If BC can't close a deal then we sign Noel below their initial asking contract while we try to trade Jah from trade deadline, draft night to before trade deadline next season.

I think it is simpler than that. They tried both Okafor and Noel with Embiid, and they found that Noel worked better. The team also was better with Noel at the 5 than with Okafor at the 5.

Noel's contract situation puts them at a disadvantage, but I don't think there is much risk in signing him to a big offer. I firmly believe that even in the worst case scenario(outside of catastrophic injury) that Noel would be traceable even at 20 million a year.


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Why? Here's the thing about signing Noel to that deal it's predicated on potential -- which he may realize or he may not. If he doesn't and stays what he is now I'm sorry but thats not a 20 million dollar player. Ask POR how that Allan Crabbe deal is working for them.

Just purely from a risk aversion standpoint I don't see why we need to sign him to such a bloated deal. Let the dude walk if he can find that kind of offer.

[bedjawII]

I think the deal fell thru. Usually done within 24hrs of the leak report, hopefully it rekindles at the trade deadline.

If we just go off of what was reported then there never was a deal.

The Sixers wanted X and the Pelicans wanted to give up Y, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement.

I personally wouldn't want the deal to happen if the pick was protected too much. What would make or break the deal is what the protections would be, and they never agreed on those apparently.


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It had to have been close somehow to get leaked, if they weren't close I'd imagine it wouldn't have leak. Like a typical inquiry from one GM to another, seemed like BC had cold feet and changed it last minute so that it fell apart.

Lol. Why do you believe BC got cold feet? Just curious about what in any report would make you believe that. Maybe I missed it! But it's quite funny how BC got bashed for being to agressive and making bad trades and now he's too conservative.

[bedjawII]

But that was the whole point of the process. It was also a big risk. You'd have to make a decision on giving big contracts to a lot of guys before you knew what they were. NN is in line for a big raise. I'd estimate 15-17 mil. Tough call!

[Ericb5]

My gut feel is..

Noel was asking for A LOT of money (max to bazemore/crabbe money) early the season. Sixers straight up told him that we can't give him that. Noel's justification is his past stint for the team. You know all the low sample size stats they post out there, how he suffered all the losing and other stuffs.

Eventually, Noel and his player agent gave in (I guess nobody has shown interest to gave them the money they want) and it was more evident when Noel's play didn't standout with or without Embiid. But Noel has been really good as Biid's back-up, and the team settled with them saying we're going to give you a good contract but just not what you are asking.

Both parties settled. Then BC goes all out trying to make a deal for Jah. If BC can't close a deal then we sign Noel below their initial asking contract while we try to trade Jah from trade deadline, draft night to before trade deadline next season.

I think it is simpler than that. They tried both Okafor and Noel with Embiid, and they found that Noel worked better. The team also was better with Noel at the 5 than with Okafor at the 5.

Noel's contract situation puts them at a disadvantage, but I don't think there is much risk in signing him to a big offer. I firmly believe that even in the worst case scenario(outside of catastrophic injury) that Noel would be traceable even at 20 million a year.


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Why? Here's the thing about signing Noel to that deal it's predicated on potential -- which he may realize or he may not. If he doesn't and stays what he is now I'm sorry but thats not a 20 million dollar player. Ask POR how that Allan Crabbe deal is working for them.

Just purely from a risk aversion standpoint I don't see why we need to sign him to such a bloated deal. Let the dude walk if he can find that kind of offer.

I don't think that it really is based on potential. It's based on ability. Noel can be a starting center in the middle of a good defense, and plenty of teams would be happy to have him.

His market value will hold, as long as he stays healthy.


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[SouthJersey]

Watched some of the Bulls game last night because they had been mentioned in trade rumors for Okafor. Man, what a mess and I dont know if its the coach but all those young players look like busts to below average players.

[XDevilBoiX]

If we just go off of what was reported then there never was a deal.

The Sixers wanted X and the Pelicans wanted to give up Y, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement.

I personally wouldn't want the deal to happen if the pick was protected too much. What would make or break the deal is what the protections would be, and they never agreed on those apparently.


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It had to have been close somehow to get leaked, if they weren't close I'd imagine it wouldn't have leak. Like a typical inquiry from one GM to another, seemed like BC had cold feet and changed it last minute so that it fell apart.

Lol. Why do you believe BC got cold feet? Just curious about what in any report would make you believe that. Maybe I missed it! But it's quite funny how BC got bashed for being to agressive and making bad trades and now he's too conservative.

If I remember correctly, it was reported first that Okafor for a salary dump and a protected 1st then reports came out that BC wanted Jrue involve in the deal. I never bashed BC for being too aggressive or conservative.